[kictanet] ITU Internet Takeover Conspiracy Not real.

Wed Jun 13 16:38:54 EAT 2012

Daktari

About the muscle thing...I think Kenya has the 'Soft Power' to at least
make our stand known. Hence the process that we are starting tomorrow is a
good one.

My two cowries..

Ali Hussein

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 4:15 PM, <bitange at jambo.co.ke> wrote:

> Ali Hussein,
> To be honest about this, the best route will be through the African
> Telecommunications Union (ATU). We do not have the muscle to have our own
> opinion on controversial global issues.  In Africa I think it is only
> South Africa that can do this simply because they are self reliant in many
> ways.
>
> Regards
>
>
> Ndemo.
>
>
>
> > Chip
> >
> > Thanks. I basically agree with you. And it just goes to reconfirm the
> fear
> > of many on the lack of transparency that is related to this process.
> >
> > What I like about your email is the drilling down on certain specifics
> > from
> > a technical and user perspective. I think that not many of us would pick
> > up
> > the nuances and the implications of some of the proposals unless you are
> a
> > keen player in the space.
> >
> > Again I reiterate the fact that if we continue engaging in this process
> > the
> > way we have then we will have no surprises come December.
> >
> > Lastly I also agree with you that as a country, Kenya must make its
> > position known. (Daktari Ndemo, sorry but even if our position is grey,
> > not
> > black and white then we must know what it is. Hence the process that I
> > hope
> > will start tomorrow with an online discussion is critical as sometimes we
> > forgot that Government is us not 'them. :-) )
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Ali Hussein
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 1:13 PM, Hascall Sharp <chsharp at cisco.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Ali,
> >>
> >> Sorry, this email grew beyond the short reply I was planning. :-)
> >>
> >> I mostly agree with the main message of the story.
> >>
> >> In my opinion, the argument over whether the UN or ITU is taking over
> >> the
> >> Internet is a distraction from the proposals at WCIT that *will* affect
> >> the
> >> Internet in a substantive manner.
> >>
> >> The UN and ITU can't make proposals to modify the International
> >> Telecommunication Regulations (ITRs), only countries can.  So it is
> >> really
> >> the countries that are making proposals into WCIT.  I'm not naive enough
> >> to
> >> think that the ITU staff can't make suggestions or influence the
> >> process,
> >> but a country still has to make a proposal.
> >>
> >> There are proposals of great concern to the operation of the Internet
> >> though, for example:
> >>  * Routing:  A proposal to allow countries to specify what routes its
> >> traffic takes or to know the end-to-end routes of its traffic.  This is
> >> framed in the context of voice calls, but there is nothing precluding
> >> the
> >> provision from being applied to the Internet.
> >>  * IPv6 address allocation: This proposal would oblige the ITU to
> >> allocate
> >> IPv6 addresses. It isn't clear how this would work with the RIR system.
> >>  * Internet Interconnection:  There are a couple of proposals regarding
> >> Internet interconnection, basically getting governments involved in the
> >> negotiation of interconnect agreements and potentially imposing a
> >> telephony
> >> style settlements and accounting regime.
> >>  * A change in wording from "Registered Operating Agency" to "Operating
> >> Agency".  This seemingly small change could greatly expand the scope of
> >> the
> >> ITRs to entities and organizations not previously under its mandates,
> >> e.g.,
> >> ISPs, private lines, multinational companies, VPNs, amateur radio
> >> operators
> >> (ham radio), etc.
> >>  * A proposal to add the word "processing" to the definition of
> >> telecommunications.  This would bring computing and information systems
> >> (e.g., IT) under the ITRs.
> >>  * Spam:  A proposed definition of spam and obligations for governments
> >> to
> >> take action.  While we all hate spam (well except for the people making
> >> money off it), adding a definition and mandates to a treaty is a bad
> >> idea.
> >>  There are too many opportunities for unintended consequences and
> >> treaties
> >> are very difficult to revise (we lived with the last one for over 20
> >> years).
> >>  * Cybersecurity:  Various mandates and proposals related to
> >> cybersecurity.
> >>  * VoIP:  Delegates in the Council Working Group on WCIT have made it
> >> clear that they plan to apply the ITRs to VoIP.  This could severely
> >> affect
> >> the ability to use VoIP over the Internet in different countries.  There
> >> are various proposals on misuse of numbering, fraud and Origin
> >> Identification.  Remember that misuse and fraud in one country might be
> >> seen as competition or ingenuity in another country.
> >>  * etc.
> >>
> >>  Countries like Sweden, Canada, USA, Hungary, UK, Finland, Australia
> >> have
> >> argued for a more open process and could be proposing a more open
> >> process
> >> in the very near future.  It would really be helpful if they could get
> >> some
> >> support from other countries (e.g., Kenya).  If there is a way for any
> >> on
> >> this list to talk to their national delegations then it might help.
> >>
> >> The WCITLeaks web site has a proposed draft of the revised ITRs with all
> >> proposals included (but without attribution).
> >>
> >>
> http://files.wcitleaks.org/public/T09-CWG.WCIT12-120620-TD-PLEN-0064MSW-E.pdf
> >>
> >>
> >> Chip
> >>
> >> On Jun 13, 2012, at 10:41 AM, Ali Hussein wrote:
> >>
> >> > Alice
> >> >
> >> > Very balanced story. It doesn't still answer the question as to why
> >> these
> >> > proposals by different governments aren't public knowledge..It just
> >> gives
> >> > new meaning to the swahili word - Siri Kali (For those on the list
> >> that
> >> may
> >> > not understand the swahili words its a play on the words Serikali,
> >> swahili
> >> > for Government. So Siri Kali then means loosely Deep Secrets)  :-)
> >> >
> >> > What I am glad about though is that this whole debate has put focus on
> >> the
> >> > important issues and that whoever has ulterior motives has been
> >> 'outed'.
> >> I
> >> > am also glad that we have a forum like Kictanet that allows us to talk
> >> > about such issues.
> >> >
> >> > Regards
> >> >
> >> > Ali Hussein
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:31 AM, <alice at apc.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/11/technology/debunking-rumors-of-an-internet-takeover.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all
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