[kictanet] Yawe migrates to Digital TV

[robert yawe]

Hi Othiambo,

The issue is not my provider its what is the official GOK/CCK position on the current free to air channels once the analogue transmission is effected?

I asked a number of what I believed to be pertinent issues as relates to the migration but as usual the discussion was hijacked and went off on a tangent.

Until the issues are clear it will be very difficult to convince local or foreign investors to participate in this migration process.  There is too much cloud which I believe is being done intentionally for what reason I will remain silent.

Regards

Has facebook and twitter reduced our ability to keep a topic alive to 5 messages?
 
Robert Yawe
KAY System Technologies Ltd
Phoenix House, 6th Floor
P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
Kenya


Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696


________________________________
 From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo at gmail.com>
To: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk> 
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> 
Sent: Friday, 20 July 2012, 10:14
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Yawe migrates to Digital TV
 

Hi Robert,

There are several FTA channels. They are those prefixed with SIGNET-*

I have a Garmin device which has built-in DVB-T1 which is receiving these channels.

When this issue came up, I went to DSTv offices and asked them what would happen with my  STB suppose I did not renew my subscription and they said that I would still be able to view those FTA channels prefixed with SIGNET.

I therefore think your experience is solely a misnomer on the part of the vendor who provided you with the STB and I think you should sue! ;-)




On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 9:47 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Hi,
>
>
>Confirmed, there are currently no free to air digital channels.
>
>
>My subscription expired yesterday and there was no single channel available.
>
>
>Regards
> 
>Robert Yawe
>KAY System Technologies Ltd
>Phoenix House, 6th Floor
>P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
>Kenya
>
>
>Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
>
>
>________________________________
> From: "bitange at jambo.co.ke" <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
>To: robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk 
>Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke> 
>Sent: Wednesday, 11 July 2012, 13:10
>
>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Yawe migrates to Digital TV
> 
>
>Macharia,
>I assumed you have been following the debate.  Ordinariry we have been
>broadcasting in Standard Definition or SD.  This format is oll technology
>that makes people look fat on the screen.  High Definition or HD tends to
>give you an image closer to what you look in real life.  Better we now
>have 3D that is is even better but you will have to use special glass to
>see the effect.  Research is getting closer to get rid of the special
>glasses.  Soon we shall get
 even better technologies in broadcasting.
>
>In transmission we have several technologies including Satelitte or Direct
>to Home (DTH) and Digital Terrestrial TV (DTT) which removes the aspect of
>multiple infrastructure for Analogue TV the one we are used to.  To
>convert the digital signal to analogue TV you need a converter called a
>Set Top Box (STB).  This is a temporary measure until new digital TVs are
>in the market.
>
>The question was whether the set top can transmit both the SD and HD using
>the current STBs in the market.  I then responded that in DTH, the
>Personal Video Recorder (PVR) does that easily.
>
>PVR is a generic term for a device that is similar to a VCR but records
>television data in digital format as opposed to the VCRs analog format.
>VCRs utilize analog tapes to record and play programs broadcast over
>television, but PVRs encode video data in MPEG-1 or MPEG-2 formats
 and
>store the data in a hard drive. PVRs have all of the same functionality of
>VCRs (recording, playback, fast forwarding, rewinding, and pausing) plus
>the ability to instantly jump to any part of the program without having to
>rewind or fast forward the data stream.
>
>I hope this helps.
>
>
>Ndemo.
>
>
>
>
>> These acronyms are giving me a headache. Can't you geeks communicate in
>> simple English?
>>
>> Macharia Gaitho
>>
>>
>> On Jul 10, 2012, at 19:49, "bitange at jambo.co.ke" <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> John,
>>> Thanks for elaborating on these technologies.  Although I have not tried
>>> to play both SD and HD in any STB, the DTH PVR does it easily and I
>>>
 would
>>> suppose some STBs would have PVR capabilities.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>>
>>> Ndemo.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Wash
>>>> On my house still lies a Dish I used to receive internet 'downlink
>>>> service'
>>>> from intersat via DVB. the uplink was a traditional dialup, when I
>>>> moved
>>>> to
>>>> work at a Telco (Safaricom) I used service 951 for uplink, later
>>>> gprs/edge
>>>> and when 3G/HSDPA came I stopped the DVB service. I forgot about DVB in
>>>> the
>>>> general sense.
>>>>
>>>> Today
>>>> DVB-T2 holds so much promise. there is what badru put out but best of
>>>> all
>>>> is the fact that the chipsets in use can be easily extended to do so
>>>> much
>>>> more. that
 most are running quite a bit of readilly available open
>>>> distro's
>>>> based on open standards is awesome and means you can do things like
>>>> provide
>>>> internet services for the masses if a service provider is so inclined
>>>> to
>>>> do
>>>> so, push messages, use it as part of your connected home etc.
>>>>
>>>> Today I am lucky to be involved with two projects that deal with these
>>>> technologies. there is an interesting convergence of technologies and
>>>> ideas
>>>> such that while I am traditionally a 'networking guy', they might need
>>>> multicast in the future, Im also curious but: to take advantage of the
>>>> technologies end to end, it would be nice to know what the minimum
>>>> requirements set are, then an entreprenurial fellow can figure out what
>>>>
 value adds to throw in. This could be anything from localization to
>>>> customizing the boards and operating systems/firmware with additional
>>>> interfaces, like wifi or a fridge magnet:-).
>>>>
>>>> It is also the same technology DSTV use to do mobile TV. probably using
>>>> T2-lite. It is combined with the SIM card for admittance or lets just
>>>> call
>>>> it authentication and billing. Now technically you could have another
>>>> interface maybe a permanent IPv6 to help admittance ia all the tools
>>>> you
>>>> are used to like diameter. Do you start to see the potential? the
>>>> moment
>>>> you throw IP in the world just opens up.
>>>>
>>>> I'm also curious to see the quality requirements. Note in as much as
>>>> STB's
>>>> will be standardized, some operators might
 transmit lets say NTV in HD
>>>> while another does it in SD. The HD would definately cost abit more
>>>> based
>>>> on network resources consumed so the whole free to air remains free
>>>> will
>>>> also be an interesting one to watch.
>>>>
>>>> Lastly what DVB-T2 doesn't do LTE will take and carry home. When the
>>>> broadcasters release the frequencies for LTE. I guess listers and
>>>> creatives
>>>> here have their work cut out for them. Just like we are leading in
>>>> mobile
>>>> innovation, we can take this one on as well.
>>>>
>>>> now who said you cant be productive in traffic, or type long mail on
>>>> mobile
>>>> devices?:-)
>>>>
>>>> Gitau
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my Ipad
>>>> On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 6:24 PM, Odhiambo
 Washington
>>>> <odhiambo at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> +1 for this contribution, Badru. You've almost mirrored what John
>>>>> Gitau
>>>>> asked in his last post.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am tempted to ask Dr. Ndemo how they (CCK) arrived at the
>>>>> specification
>>>>> for the STBs. Were stakeholders involved? Were citizens input
>>>>> solicited?
>>>>> I
>>>>> am sure John Gitau would have had the platform to raise his questions
>>>>> if
>>>>> this was done.
>>>>> In the Kenyan context, it was T1, then at some point it was almost SDB
>>>>> (or
>>>>> what do they call that South American one), before the decision makers
>>>>> resolved that it
 would be DVB-T2.
>>>>> I think it's almost too late for Kenyans to decide on the
>>>>> specifications.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Badru Ntege <ntegeb at one2net.co.ug>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some new stbs are running on android which effectively means that we
>>>>>> should be able to deliver internet services to the home. Some of the
>>>>>> boxes
>>>>>> on the market even support wifi.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We need to think out of the box to solve our connectivity challenge
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> the home.   african countries now have the opportunity to create
 a
>>>>>> specification that manufacturers will create solutions for.  Just
>>>>>> think
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> the order quantity if Kenya said that all stbs should have full
>>>>>> Internet
>>>>>> capabilities.  The tools are here but we are still trying to fix
>>>>>> problems
>>>>>> with conventional thinking i think we should set the bar.  The market
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> deliver they cannot afford to ignore continent of 1 billion people.
>>>>>> However as long as we tow the itu line we will always end up with
>>>>>> others
>>>>>> peoples solutions to our unique problems.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So Africa needs to set the standard and then market will have to we
>>>>>>
 can
>>>>>> even start with an east african standard
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Badru Ntege
>>>>>> CEO
>>>>>> NFT Consult Ltd
>>>>>> Www.Nftconsult.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Vision without execution is hallucination."
>>>>>> -- Thomas A. Edison
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8 Jul 2012, at 19:51, bitange at jambo.co.ke wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Robert,
>>>>>>> Free to Air must remain free.  This is why we need cheaper
>>>>>>> converters
>>>>>>
 that
>>>>>>> the current STBs.  Check the pricing on Internet.  They are as cheap
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> 5
>>>>>>> dollars.  Big operators want expensive STBs in order to accomodate
>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> conditional access channels.  We need SMEs to bring in the low end
>>>>>> DVBT2
>>>>>>> STBs.  We are letting the opportunity pass those who need business
>>>>>> most.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ndemo.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Daktari,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now that I have migrated I am more interested with what is
 going
>>>>>>>> on.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is a bit of confusion about the free to air channels are they
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> remain available or not?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Robert Yawe
>>>>>>>> KAY System Technologies Ltd
>>>>>>>> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
>>>>>>>> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
>>>>>>>> Kenya
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>>> From: "bitange at jambo.co.ke" <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
>>>>>>>> To: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
>>>>>>>> Cc: bitange at jambo.co.ke; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>>>>>>>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2012, 22:04
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Yawe migrates to Digital TV
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Robert,
>>>>>>>> Thank you for
 being a great Ambassador.  With competition you are
>>>>>> going to
>>>>>>>> see the price of set top drom to as little as Ksh. 500.  I hear
>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> conditional access will be offering popular bouque of some 50
>>>>>> channels
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> $2 (two) dollars a month.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know of new venacular entrants coming in in less than a month.
>>>>>> More
>>>>>>>> content will also come from edutainment which in my view from what
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> seen is world class.  Perhaps this may be the greatest opportunity
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> revive our own
 lanuages.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ndemo.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Listers,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Wanted to inform you that on the 19th of June 2012 I migrated from
>>>>>>>>> analogue to digital TV reception, the signal is crystal clear not
>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> graining images I have been accustomed to over the past many
>>>>>>>>> years.
>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>> move was necessitated by the need for some of my house-mates to
>>>>>> watch
>>>>>>>>> Tusker Project Fame, I
 went VoD many months ago.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To put an issue to rest especially those in the media who have
>>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>> spreading malicious roamers about the migration that I did not buy
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> digital TV set.  All I bought was a decoder for 2,999/- which I
>>>>>> plugged
>>>>>>>>> into old faithful and "pap" I can now receive clear digital
>>>>>>>>> signal.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It was encouraging to note that all the current free to air
>>>>>> channels,
>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>> of which I did not even know existed, have jumped onto the
>>>>>>
 transmission
>>>>>>>>> including NTV, KTN and Citizen which makes you wonder what all
>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>> legalise was about.  The quality of the various channels is
>>>>>> glaring,
>>>>>>>>> something that was not visible with the analogue signal.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To get a more holistic experience I also paid for the basic
>>>>>>>>> bouquet
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> 500/- a month, the offering was not disappointing but the number
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> channels is mind boggling especially having been there during the
>>>>>> days
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> single channel VOK (Voice of Kenya).  I
 only wish they could allow
>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>>> create my own selection of channels to receive, the standard
>>>>>> offerings
>>>>>>>>> make me feel like I am in a straight jacket.  Yes, this is what
>>>>>> happens
>>>>>>>>> when you enlighten people, 2 days ago I was comfortable receiving
>>>>>>>>> 6
>>>>>>>>> horrible free to air channels today I am demanding a la Carte.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> All of you out there who where saving to buy expensive digital TV
>>>>>> sets
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> can take 2,999/- of that money and migrate to digital TV
 today.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> PS.  I just took the device home handed over to my son who within
>>>>>> 15
>>>>>>>>> minutes had it up and running, held on to the remote.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Robert Yawe
>>>>>>>>> KAY System Technologies Ltd
>>>>>>>>> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
>>>>>>>>> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
>>>>>>>>> Kenya
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Tel: +254722511225,
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