[kictanet] Information/Data Sovereignty

Tue Jan 17 06:30:22 EAT 2012

Jambo Matunda Nyanchama,

You have raised a very important question on information/Data Sovereignty.
the question I would beg to ask is how secure are our phone
numbers/names/ID numbers/signatures in those MPESA books we sign? some
political party officials are harvesting possible party member details from
mobile money agents.

Regards

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>   1. Information/Data Sovereignty (Matunda Nyanchama)
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>   4. Re: Google's Antics on Mocality (McTim)
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> Friends
>
> This is not to distract from mainstream focus on Vision 2030 discussions
> and Google antics on Mocality.
>
> However, the above subject came up recently in a conversation we were
> having at a conference here in Canada. Government here, fearing the US
> Patriot Act requires that private citizen information (e.g. patient
> records, financial data and the like) be domiciled within Canadian
> jurisdiction. And they have a point.
>
> Data will be King in the future and who owns that data would have power.
>
> I am wondering how this concept is playing in Kenya.
>
> What controls (policy, technical and otherwise) have we in place to assure
> that we don't (as a country) end up paying dearly to access our own data to
> generate information we need for informed decisions.
>
> Regards.
>
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> From: lordmwesh <lordmwesh at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Google's Antics on Mocality
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> Probably some listers are on the payroll of big brother. Google has
> tentatively admitted error, and even apologized as they "investigate"
>
> On 16/01/2012, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe at gmail.com> wrote:
> > So I'm still trying to understand how, after Googles admission, listers
> > here are somehow still trying to exonerate.... #puzzled
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Francis Hook <francis.hook at gmail.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Should we then infer that Google, just like Mocality, can make similar
> >> allegations that their name was dropped alongside Mocality's by this
> >> unknown party? Even after a Google VP has acknowledged impropriety on
> >> Google's part?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 16/01/2012, S.M. Muraya <murigi.muraya at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Some weeks / months ago was called by a person claiming to be from
> >> > Google
> >> > about setting up a free web site.
> >> >
> >> > Could tell from the presentation this could not be a Google employee
> so
> >> > I
> >> > asked questions including whether she was working for a Google
> Partner /
> >> > Agent.
> >> >
> >> > She affirmed herself to be working for a Google Partner. At one point
> in
> >> my
> >> > drilling, she had to revert to someone else and call me back with
> >> answers.
> >> >
> >> > Have no doubt this debacle was out of Google' s control.
> >> > On Jan 16, 2012 4:28 PM, "McTim" <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On 1/16/12, lordmwesh <lordmwesh at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> > I am wondering what Google's aswer is to this clear case of
> dirty
> >> >> >> > tricks.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Their initial reaction was :
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> 'We were mortified to learn that a team of people working on a
> >> >> >> Google
> >> >> >> project improperly used Mocality?s data and misrepresented our
> >> >> >> relationship with Mocality to encourage customers to create new
> >> >> >> websites. We?ve already unreservedly apologised to Mocality. We?re
> >> >> >> still investigating exactly how this happened, and as soon as we
> >> >> >> have
> >> >> >> all the facts, we?ll be taking the appropriate action with the
> >> >> >> people
> >> >> >> involved.'
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Am sure we will hear more soon.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> Cheers,
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Google PR team are misjudging our intelligence with such a flimsy
> >> >> > statement. Even a kid can read in between the lines.
> >> >>
> >> >> It was from nelson mattos, who I think is VP for EMEA, not from PR.
> >> >>
> >> >> Not being a child, I can't read in between any of these lines, maybe
> >> >> you can fill us in on what you infer?
> >> >>
> >> >> Knowing what I know about google, the folks in charge of Google KE
> >> >> (and the region), I am quite confident that none of these shenanigans
> >> >> were approved by them.
> >> >>
> >> >> I think that James was right when he suggested it was a
> sub-contractor
> >> >> who was responsible and not Google folks themselves. Still, Google
> >> >> needs to make this right, as they (and their partners) are all
> >> >> tarnished by this misbehavior.
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Cheers,
> >> >>
> >> >> McTim
> >> >> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
> >> >> route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
> >> >>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 21:16:26 +0300
> From: Francis Hook <francis.hook at gmail.com>
> To: lordmwesh <lordmwesh at gmail.com>
> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Google's Antics on Mocality
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> Oh dear - this has taken quite a tangential course!
>
> What I meant is that the buck must stop somewhere - and the statement
> by Google is implicit that it has stopped somewhere high up and we
> should await details and not preclude action on their part. If we
> start blamestorming and offering up  Google agents and supposed 'agent
> provocatuer's on the list into the mix, then we'll lose sight of the
> shore. The aggrieved party is Mocality (and somewhere at the periphery
> Kenya). Let them receive a response.
>
> On 16/01/2012, lordmwesh <lordmwesh at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Probably some listers are on the payroll of big brother. Google has
> > tentatively admitted error, and even apologized as they "investigate"
> >
> > On 16/01/2012, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> So I'm still trying to understand how, after Googles admission, listers
> >> here are somehow still trying to exonerate.... #puzzled
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Francis Hook
> >> <francis.hook at gmail.com>wrote:
> >>
> >>> Should we then infer that Google, just like Mocality, can make similar
> >>> allegations that their name was dropped alongside Mocality's by this
> >>> unknown party? Even after a Google VP has acknowledged impropriety on
> >>> Google's part?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 16/01/2012, S.M. Muraya <murigi.muraya at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> > Some weeks / months ago was called by a person claiming to be from
> >>> > Google
> >>> > about setting up a free web site.
> >>> >
> >>> > Could tell from the presentation this could not be a Google employee
> so
> >>> > I
> >>> > asked questions including whether she was working for a Google
> Partner
> >>> > /
> >>> > Agent.
> >>> >
> >>> > She affirmed herself to be working for a Google Partner. At one point
> >>> > in
> >>> my
> >>> > drilling, she had to revert to someone else and call me back with
> >>> answers.
> >>> >
> >>> > Have no doubt this debacle was out of Google' s control.
> >>> > On Jan 16, 2012 4:28 PM, "McTim" <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >> On 1/16/12, lordmwesh <lordmwesh at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >> >> > I am wondering what Google's aswer is to this clear case of
> dirty
> >>> >> >> > tricks.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> Their initial reaction was :
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> 'We were mortified to learn that a team of people working on a
> >>> >> >> Google
> >>> >> >> project improperly used Mocality?s data and misrepresented our
> >>> >> >> relationship with Mocality to encourage customers to create new
> >>> >> >> websites. We?ve already unreservedly apologised to Mocality.
> We?re
> >>> >> >> still investigating exactly how this happened, and as soon as we
> >>> >> >> have
> >>> >> >> all the facts, we?ll be taking the appropriate action with the
> >>> >> >> people
> >>> >> >> involved.'
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> Am sure we will hear more soon.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> --
> >>> >> >> Cheers,
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Google PR team are misjudging our intelligence with such a flimsy
> >>> >> > statement. Even a kid can read in between the lines.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> It was from nelson mattos, who I think is VP for EMEA, not from PR.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Not being a child, I can't read in between any of these lines, maybe
> >>> >> you can fill us in on what you infer?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Knowing what I know about google, the folks in charge of Google KE
> >>> >> (and the region), I am quite confident that none of these
> shenanigans
> >>> >> were approved by them.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> I think that James was right when he suggested it was a
> sub-contractor
> >>> >> who was responsible and not Google folks themselves. Still, Google
> >>> >> needs to make this right, as they (and their partners) are all
> >>> >> tarnished by this misbehavior.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> --
> >>> >> Cheers,
> >>> >>
> >>> >> McTim
> >>> >> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
> >>> >> route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
> >>> >>
> >>> >> _______________________________________________
> >>> >> kictanet mailing list
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> >>> >>
> >>> >> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder
> >>> >> platform
> >>> >> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy
> and
> >>> >> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the
> >>> >> ICT
> >>> >> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and
> >>> >> development.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable
> behaviors
> >>> >> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and
> >>> bandwidth,
> >>> >> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect
> privacy,
> >>> do
> >>> >> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
> >>> >>
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
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> >>> +254 733 504561
> >>>
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> >>> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and
> >>> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT
> >>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and
> >>> development.
> >>>
> >>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors
> >>> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and
> >>> bandwidth,
> >>> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy,
> do
> >>> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Brian Munyao Longwe
> >> e-mail: blongwe at gmail.com
> >> cell:  +254715964281
> >> blog : http://zinjlog.blogspot.com
> >> meta-blog: http://mashilingi.blogspot.com
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > ______________________
> > Mwendwa Kivuva
> > For
> > Business Development
> > Transworld Computer Channels
> > Cel: 0722402248
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> for
> > people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and
> > regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT
> > sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and
> development.
> >
> > KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors
> > online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and
> bandwidth,
> > share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do
> > not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
> >
>
>
> --
> Francis Hook
> +254 733 504561
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 21:31:51 +0300
> From: McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com>
> To: lordmwesh <lordmwesh at gmail.com>
> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Google's Antics on Mocality
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> On 1/16/12, lordmwesh <lordmwesh at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Probably some listers are on the payroll of big brother. Google has
> > tentatively admitted error, and even apologized as they "investigate"
>
> @Mwendwa There are multiple Googlers on this list.  So far, none of them
> have replied, I'm guessing it's out of their hands now.
>
> @Brian, explanation!=exoneration.
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> McTim
> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
> route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
>
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