<font face="'courier new', monospace" size="4">Jambo Matunda Nyanchama,<br><br>You have raised a very important question on information/Data Sovereignty. the question I would beg to ask is how secure are our phone numbers/names/ID numbers/signatures in those MPESA books we sign? some political party officials are harvesting possible party member details from mobile money agents.</font><div>
<div style="text-align:left"><span style="line-height:14px"><font size="4" face="'courier new', monospace"><br></font></span></div><div style="text-align:left"><span style="line-height:14px"><font size="4" face="'courier new', monospace">Regards</font></span></div>
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2. Re: Google's Antics on Mocality (lordmwesh)<br>
3. Re: Google's Antics on Mocality (Francis Hook)<br>
4. Re: Google's Antics on Mocality (McTim)<br>
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Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 09:14:17 -0800 (PST)<br>
From: Matunda Nyanchama <<a href="mailto:mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com">mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com</a>><br>
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This is not to distract from mainstream focus on Vision 2030 discussions and Google antics on Mocality.<br>
<br>
However, the above subject came up recently in a conversation we were having at a conference here in Canada. Government here, fearing the US Patriot Act requires that private citizen information (e.g. patient records, financial data and the like) be domiciled within Canadian jurisdiction. And they have a point.<br>
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Data will be King in the future and who owns that data would have power.<br>
<br>
I am wondering how this concept is playing in Kenya.<br>
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What controls (policy, technical and otherwise) have we in place to assure that we don't (as a country) end up paying dearly to access our own data to generate information we need for informed decisions.<br>
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Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 17:47:20 +0000<br>
From: lordmwesh <<a href="mailto:lordmwesh@gmail.com">lordmwesh@gmail.com</a>><br>
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Probably some listers are on the payroll of big brother. Google has<br>
tentatively admitted error, and even apologized as they "investigate"<br>
<br>
On 16/01/2012, Brian Munyao Longwe <<a href="mailto:blongwe@gmail.com">blongwe@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> So I'm still trying to understand how, after Googles admission, listers<br>
> here are somehow still trying to exonerate.... #puzzled<br>
><br>
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Francis Hook <<a href="mailto:francis.hook@gmail.com">francis.hook@gmail.com</a>>wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Should we then infer that Google, just like Mocality, can make similar<br>
>> allegations that their name was dropped alongside Mocality's by this<br>
>> unknown party? Even after a Google VP has acknowledged impropriety on<br>
>> Google's part?<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On 16/01/2012, S.M. Muraya <<a href="mailto:murigi.muraya@gmail.com">murigi.muraya@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> > Some weeks / months ago was called by a person claiming to be from<br>
>> > Google<br>
>> > about setting up a free web site.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Could tell from the presentation this could not be a Google employee so<br>
>> > I<br>
>> > asked questions including whether she was working for a Google Partner /<br>
>> > Agent.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > She affirmed herself to be working for a Google Partner. At one point in<br>
>> my<br>
>> > drilling, she had to revert to someone else and call me back with<br>
>> answers.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Have no doubt this debacle was out of Google' s control.<br>
>> > On Jan 16, 2012 4:28 PM, "McTim" <<a href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com">dogwallah@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> ><br>
>> >> On 1/16/12, lordmwesh <<a href="mailto:lordmwesh@gmail.com">lordmwesh@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> >> >> > I am wondering what Google's aswer is to this clear case of dirty<br>
>> >> >> > tricks.<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> Their initial reaction was :<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> 'We were mortified to learn that a team of people working on a<br>
>> >> >> Google<br>
>> >> >> project improperly used Mocality?s data and misrepresented our<br>
>> >> >> relationship with Mocality to encourage customers to create new<br>
>> >> >> websites. We?ve already unreservedly apologised to Mocality. We?re<br>
>> >> >> still investigating exactly how this happened, and as soon as we<br>
>> >> >> have<br>
>> >> >> all the facts, we?ll be taking the appropriate action with the<br>
>> >> >> people<br>
>> >> >> involved.'<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> Am sure we will hear more soon.<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> --<br>
>> >> >> Cheers,<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > Google PR team are misjudging our intelligence with such a flimsy<br>
>> >> > statement. Even a kid can read in between the lines.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> It was from nelson mattos, who I think is VP for EMEA, not from PR.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Not being a child, I can't read in between any of these lines, maybe<br>
>> >> you can fill us in on what you infer?<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Knowing what I know about google, the folks in charge of Google KE<br>
>> >> (and the region), I am quite confident that none of these shenanigans<br>
>> >> were approved by them.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> I think that James was right when he suggested it was a sub-contractor<br>
>> >> who was responsible and not Google folks themselves. Still, Google<br>
>> >> needs to make this right, as they (and their partners) are all<br>
>> >> tarnished by this misbehavior.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> --<br>
>> >> Cheers,<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> McTim<br>
>> >> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A<br>
>> >> route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel<br>
>> >><br>
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>><br>
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Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 21:16:26 +0300<br>
From: Francis Hook <<a href="mailto:francis.hook@gmail.com">francis.hook@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: lordmwesh <<a href="mailto:lordmwesh@gmail.com">lordmwesh@gmail.com</a>><br>
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Google's Antics on Mocality<br>
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Oh dear - this has taken quite a tangential course!<br>
<br>
What I meant is that the buck must stop somewhere - and the statement<br>
by Google is implicit that it has stopped somewhere high up and we<br>
should await details and not preclude action on their part. If we<br>
start blamestorming and offering up Google agents and supposed 'agent<br>
provocatuer's on the list into the mix, then we'll lose sight of the<br>
shore. The aggrieved party is Mocality (and somewhere at the periphery<br>
Kenya). Let them receive a response.<br>
<br>
On 16/01/2012, lordmwesh <<a href="mailto:lordmwesh@gmail.com">lordmwesh@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Probably some listers are on the payroll of big brother. Google has<br>
> tentatively admitted error, and even apologized as they "investigate"<br>
><br>
> On 16/01/2012, Brian Munyao Longwe <<a href="mailto:blongwe@gmail.com">blongwe@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> So I'm still trying to understand how, after Googles admission, listers<br>
>> here are somehow still trying to exonerate.... #puzzled<br>
>><br>
>> On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Francis Hook<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:francis.hook@gmail.com">francis.hook@gmail.com</a>>wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> Should we then infer that Google, just like Mocality, can make similar<br>
>>> allegations that their name was dropped alongside Mocality's by this<br>
>>> unknown party? Even after a Google VP has acknowledged impropriety on<br>
>>> Google's part?<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On 16/01/2012, S.M. Muraya <<a href="mailto:murigi.muraya@gmail.com">murigi.muraya@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> > Some weeks / months ago was called by a person claiming to be from<br>
>>> > Google<br>
>>> > about setting up a free web site.<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > Could tell from the presentation this could not be a Google employee so<br>
>>> > I<br>
>>> > asked questions including whether she was working for a Google Partner<br>
>>> > /<br>
>>> > Agent.<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > She affirmed herself to be working for a Google Partner. At one point<br>
>>> > in<br>
>>> my<br>
>>> > drilling, she had to revert to someone else and call me back with<br>
>>> answers.<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > Have no doubt this debacle was out of Google' s control.<br>
>>> > On Jan 16, 2012 4:28 PM, "McTim" <<a href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com">dogwallah@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> >> On 1/16/12, lordmwesh <<a href="mailto:lordmwesh@gmail.com">lordmwesh@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> >> >> > I am wondering what Google's aswer is to this clear case of dirty<br>
>>> >> >> > tricks.<br>
>>> >> >><br>
>>> >> >><br>
>>> >> >><br>
>>> >> >><br>
>>> >> >> Their initial reaction was :<br>
>>> >> >><br>
>>> >> >> 'We were mortified to learn that a team of people working on a<br>
>>> >> >> Google<br>
>>> >> >> project improperly used Mocality?s data and misrepresented our<br>
>>> >> >> relationship with Mocality to encourage customers to create new<br>
>>> >> >> websites. We?ve already unreservedly apologised to Mocality. We?re<br>
>>> >> >> still investigating exactly how this happened, and as soon as we<br>
>>> >> >> have<br>
>>> >> >> all the facts, we?ll be taking the appropriate action with the<br>
>>> >> >> people<br>
>>> >> >> involved.'<br>
>>> >> >><br>
>>> >> >> Am sure we will hear more soon.<br>
>>> >> >><br>
>>> >> >> --<br>
>>> >> >> Cheers,<br>
>>> >> >><br>
>>> >> ><br>
>>> >> ><br>
>>> >> > Google PR team are misjudging our intelligence with such a flimsy<br>
>>> >> > statement. Even a kid can read in between the lines.<br>
>>> >><br>
>>> >> It was from nelson mattos, who I think is VP for EMEA, not from PR.<br>
>>> >><br>
>>> >> Not being a child, I can't read in between any of these lines, maybe<br>
>>> >> you can fill us in on what you infer?<br>
>>> >><br>
>>> >> Knowing what I know about google, the folks in charge of Google KE<br>
>>> >> (and the region), I am quite confident that none of these shenanigans<br>
>>> >> were approved by them.<br>
>>> >><br>
>>> >> I think that James was right when he suggested it was a sub-contractor<br>
>>> >> who was responsible and not Google folks themselves. Still, Google<br>
>>> >> needs to make this right, as they (and their partners) are all<br>
>>> >> tarnished by this misbehavior.<br>
>>> >><br>
>>> >> --<br>
>>> >> Cheers,<br>
>>> >><br>
>>> >> McTim<br>
>>> >> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A<br>
>>> >> route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel<br>
>>> >><br>
>>> >> _______________________________________________<br>
>>> >> kictanet mailing list<br>
>>> >> <a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br>
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>>> >><br>
>>> >> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder<br>
>>> >> platform<br>
>>> >> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and<br>
>>> >> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the<br>
>>> >> ICT<br>
>>> >> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and<br>
>>> >> development.<br>
>>> >><br>
>>> >> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors<br>
>>> >> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and<br>
>>> bandwidth,<br>
>>> >> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy,<br>
>>> do<br>
>>> >> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.<br>
>>> >><br>
>>> ><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> --<br>
>>> Francis Hook<br>
>>> <a href="tel:%2B254%20733%20504561" value="+254733504561">+254 733 504561</a><br>
>>><br>
>>> _______________________________________________<br>
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>>><br>
>>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform<br>
>>> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and<br>
>>> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT<br>
>>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and<br>
>>> development.<br>
>>><br>
>>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors<br>
>>> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and<br>
>>> bandwidth,<br>
>>> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do<br>
>>> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.<br>
>>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
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>> cell: <a href="tel:%2B254715964281" value="+254715964281">+254715964281</a><br>
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Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 21:31:51 +0300<br>
From: McTim <<a href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com">dogwallah@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: lordmwesh <<a href="mailto:lordmwesh@gmail.com">lordmwesh@gmail.com</a>><br>
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Google's Antics on Mocality<br>
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On 1/16/12, lordmwesh <<a href="mailto:lordmwesh@gmail.com">lordmwesh@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Probably some listers are on the payroll of big brother. Google has<br>
> tentatively admitted error, and even apologized as they "investigate"<br>
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@Mwendwa There are multiple Googlers on this list. So far, none of them<br>
have replied, I'm guessing it's out of their hands now.<br>
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@Brian, explanation!=exoneration.<br>
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