[kictanet] Google's Antics on Mocality

Mon Jan 16 22:20:10 EAT 2012

Think about it for a while.Why would a company whose net profits run into
billions of dollars be after a few thousand shillings from  business owners
in Kenya?If you were running Google,of what benefit would that be to your
organisation?In my opinion, 'admitting' that 'they were wrong' is the first
stage of correcting the situation i.e not coming out as being defensive
since the so-called 'partners' had an agreement that essentially states 'we
are doing whatever we are doing on behalf of Google' and Google has to take
responsibility for this!Someone in these partners companies could be behind
all this,especially that company which has an office in Kenya and
India(name omitted on purpose).

On 16 January 2012 22:05, Francis Hook <francis.hook at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Sammy,
> Yes indeed. I agree. If I may distill what I meant:
> 1 - Google have right of reply - and indications are that this is
> forthcoming and should be allowed to happen. If there are errant
> agents involved, this should be admitted by Google themselves.
> 2 - Any aggrieved party can state their grievance and be entitled to
> pursue the matter.  Only the aggrieved parties should be in the fray.
> 3 - Those not working for Google, Kenic or Mocality (or other parties
> if any) should have solid ground to enjoin themselves in the issue -
> otherwise subjective and speculative commentary  needlessly inflames
> passions, foments polarity among different sides and makes murky the
> waters.
>
> That's all I meant.  And also with due respect to all parties and
> those that have participated in this discussion.
>
> Thanks
>
>
> On 16/01/2012, Sammy Buruchara <Buruchara at me.com> wrote:
> > Francis,
> >
> > I beg to differ. Kenic which is holds the .ke registry is also an
> > aggrieved party as there is currently no partnership agreement between
> > Kenic and Google yet its name has been mentioned adversely if not
> > tarnished by Google's activities. Expect a press statement shortly in
> this
> > regard.
> > So Kenya is indeed in the mix of this.
> >
> > Sammy
> >
> > On 1/16/12 9:16 PM, "Francis Hook" <francis.hook at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Oh dear - this has taken quite a tangential course!
> >>
> >>What I meant is that the buck must stop somewhere - and the statement
> >>by Google is implicit that it has stopped somewhere high up and we
> >>should await details and not preclude action on their part. If we
> >>start blamestorming and offering up  Google agents and supposed 'agent
> >>provocatuer's on the list into the mix, then we'll lose sight of the
> >>shore. The aggrieved party is Mocality (and somewhere at the periphery
> >>Kenya). Let them receive a response.
> >>
> >>On 16/01/2012, lordmwesh <lordmwesh at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Probably some listers are on the payroll of big brother. Google has
> >>> tentatively admitted error, and even apologized as they "investigate"
> >>>
> >>> On 16/01/2012, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> So I'm still trying to understand how, after Googles admission,
> listers
> >>>> here are somehow still trying to exonerate.... #puzzled
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Francis Hook
> >>>> <francis.hook at gmail.com>wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Should we then infer that Google, just like Mocality, can make
> similar
> >>>>> allegations that their name was dropped alongside Mocality's by this
> >>>>> unknown party? Even after a Google VP has acknowledged impropriety on
> >>>>> Google's part?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 16/01/2012, S.M. Muraya <murigi.muraya at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> > Some weeks / months ago was called by a person claiming to be from
> >>>>> > Google
> >>>>> > about setting up a free web site.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Could tell from the presentation this could not be a Google
> >>>>>employee so
> >>>>> > I
> >>>>> > asked questions including whether she was working for a Google
> >>>>>Partner
> >>>>> > /
> >>>>> > Agent.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > She affirmed herself to be working for a Google Partner. At one
> >>>>>point
> >>>>> > in
> >>>>> my
> >>>>> > drilling, she had to revert to someone else and call me back with
> >>>>> answers.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Have no doubt this debacle was out of Google' s control.
> >>>>> > On Jan 16, 2012 4:28 PM, "McTim" <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >> On 1/16/12, lordmwesh <lordmwesh at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> >> >> > I am wondering what Google's aswer is to this clear case of
> >>>>>dirty
> >>>>> >> >> > tricks.
> >>>>> >> >>
> >>>>> >> >>
> >>>>> >> >>
> >>>>> >> >>
> >>>>> >> >> Their initial reaction was :
> >>>>> >> >>
> >>>>> >> >> 'We were mortified to learn that a team of people working on a
> >>>>> >> >> Google
> >>>>> >> >> project improperly used Mocality¹s data and misrepresented our
> >>>>> >> >> relationship with Mocality to encourage customers to create new
> >>>>> >> >> websites. We¹ve already unreservedly apologised to Mocality.
> >>>>>We¹re
> >>>>> >> >> still investigating exactly how this happened, and as soon as
> we
> >>>>> >> >> have
> >>>>> >> >> all the facts, we¹ll be taking the appropriate action with the
> >>>>> >> >> people
> >>>>> >> >> involved.'
> >>>>> >> >>
> >>>>> >> >> Am sure we will hear more soon.
> >>>>> >> >>
> >>>>> >> >> --
> >>>>> >> >> Cheers,
> >>>>> >> >>
> >>>>> >> >
> >>>>> >> >
> >>>>> >> > Google PR team are misjudging our intelligence with such a
> flimsy
> >>>>> >> > statement. Even a kid can read in between the lines.
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> It was from nelson mattos, who I think is VP for EMEA, not from
> PR.
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> Not being a child, I can't read in between any of these lines,
> >>>>>maybe
> >>>>> >> you can fill us in on what you infer?
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> Knowing what I know about google, the folks in charge of Google KE
> >>>>> >> (and the region), I am quite confident that none of these
> >>>>>shenanigans
> >>>>> >> were approved by them.
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> I think that James was right when he suggested it was a
> >>>>>sub-contractor
> >>>>> >> who was responsible and not Google folks themselves. Still, Google
> >>>>> >> needs to make this right, as they (and their partners) are all
> >>>>> >> tarnished by this misbehavior.
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> --
> >>>>> >> Cheers,
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> McTim
> >>>>> >> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is.
> A
> >>>>> >> route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
> >>>>> >>
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