[kictanet] Google's Antics on Mocality

Mon Jan 16 22:05:19 EAT 2012

Hi Sammy,
Yes indeed. I agree. If I may distill what I meant:
1 - Google have right of reply - and indications are that this is
forthcoming and should be allowed to happen. If there are errant
agents involved, this should be admitted by Google themselves.
2 - Any aggrieved party can state their grievance and be entitled to
pursue the matter.  Only the aggrieved parties should be in the fray.
3 - Those not working for Google, Kenic or Mocality (or other parties
if any) should have solid ground to enjoin themselves in the issue -
otherwise subjective and speculative commentary  needlessly inflames
passions, foments polarity among different sides and makes murky the
waters.

That's all I meant.  And also with due respect to all parties and
those that have participated in this discussion.

Thanks

On 16/01/2012, Sammy Buruchara <Buruchara at me.com> wrote:
> Francis,
>
> I beg to differ. Kenic which is holds the .ke registry is also an
> aggrieved party as there is currently no partnership agreement between
> Kenic and Google yet its name has been mentioned adversely if not
> tarnished by Google's activities. Expect a press statement shortly in this
> regard.
> So Kenya is indeed in the mix of this.
>
> Sammy
>
> On 1/16/12 9:16 PM, "Francis Hook" <francis.hook at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Oh dear - this has taken quite a tangential course!
>>
>>What I meant is that the buck must stop somewhere - and the statement
>>by Google is implicit that it has stopped somewhere high up and we
>>should await details and not preclude action on their part. If we
>>start blamestorming and offering up  Google agents and supposed 'agent
>>provocatuer's on the list into the mix, then we'll lose sight of the
>>shore. The aggrieved party is Mocality (and somewhere at the periphery
>>Kenya). Let them receive a response.
>>
>>On 16/01/2012, lordmwesh <lordmwesh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Probably some listers are on the payroll of big brother. Google has
>>> tentatively admitted error, and even apologized as they "investigate"
>>>
>>> On 16/01/2012, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> So I'm still trying to understand how, after Googles admission, listers
>>>> here are somehow still trying to exonerate.... #puzzled
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Francis Hook
>>>> <francis.hook at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Should we then infer that Google, just like Mocality, can make similar
>>>>> allegations that their name was dropped alongside Mocality's by this
>>>>> unknown party? Even after a Google VP has acknowledged impropriety on
>>>>> Google's part?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 16/01/2012, S.M. Muraya <murigi.muraya at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> > Some weeks / months ago was called by a person claiming to be from
>>>>> > Google
>>>>> > about setting up a free web site.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Could tell from the presentation this could not be a Google
>>>>>employee so
>>>>> > I
>>>>> > asked questions including whether she was working for a Google
>>>>>Partner
>>>>> > /
>>>>> > Agent.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > She affirmed herself to be working for a Google Partner. At one
>>>>>point
>>>>> > in
>>>>> my
>>>>> > drilling, she had to revert to someone else and call me back with
>>>>> answers.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Have no doubt this debacle was out of Google' s control.
>>>>> > On Jan 16, 2012 4:28 PM, "McTim" <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> On 1/16/12, lordmwesh <lordmwesh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >> >> > I am wondering what Google's aswer is to this clear case of
>>>>>dirty
>>>>> >> >> > tricks.
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> Their initial reaction was :
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> 'We were mortified to learn that a team of people working on a
>>>>> >> >> Google
>>>>> >> >> project improperly used Mocality¹s data and misrepresented our
>>>>> >> >> relationship with Mocality to encourage customers to create new
>>>>> >> >> websites. We¹ve already unreservedly apologised to Mocality.
>>>>>We¹re
>>>>> >> >> still investigating exactly how this happened, and as soon as we
>>>>> >> >> have
>>>>> >> >> all the facts, we¹ll be taking the appropriate action with the
>>>>> >> >> people
>>>>> >> >> involved.'
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> Am sure we will hear more soon.
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> --
>>>>> >> >> Cheers,
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Google PR team are misjudging our intelligence with such a flimsy
>>>>> >> > statement. Even a kid can read in between the lines.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> It was from nelson mattos, who I think is VP for EMEA, not from PR.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Not being a child, I can't read in between any of these lines,
>>>>>maybe
>>>>> >> you can fill us in on what you infer?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Knowing what I know about google, the folks in charge of Google KE
>>>>> >> (and the region), I am quite confident that none of these
>>>>>shenanigans
>>>>> >> were approved by them.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I think that James was right when he suggested it was a
>>>>>sub-contractor
>>>>> >> who was responsible and not Google folks themselves. Still, Google
>>>>> >> needs to make this right, as they (and their partners) are all
>>>>> >> tarnished by this misbehavior.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> --
>>>>> >> Cheers,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> McTim
>>>>> >> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
>>>>> >> route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
>>>>> >>
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