[kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?

Walubengo J jwalu at yahoo.com
Wed Feb 15 12:24:35 EAT 2012 

I think we all agree Konza City must move forward.  I dont speak for Yawe but  I dont think he is against the idea of Konza. From his reads, I find that perhaps he is providing the alternative case scenarios or second opinion.  

This is always necessary and done in big projects - it even has a term for it in academic and project management circles - "Risk Analysis/Management". Only this time he is unleashing it fast and furious - but at least it is free ;-)

walu.

--- On Wed, 2/15/12, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?
To: jwalu at yahoo.com
Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Date: Wednesday, February 15, 2012, 11:54 AM



On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 11:45 AM, Edith Adera <eadera at idrc.or.ke> wrote:

"The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams."
~ Eleanor Roosevelt 
"May our dreams defy the laws of gravity."~ H. Jackson Brown, Jr.
 CAN WE MOVE FORWARD!!


Amen and Hallelujah!
 
 
From: kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Barrack Otieno

Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 11:33 AM
To: Edith Adera
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?
 Robert et al, Whereas i agree to your positive criticism we run the risk of analysis paralysis, i attended the town hall meeting at UoN where Dr. Ndemo presented the title deed for Konza City, during the same meeting i noticed something that was not so clear to the naked eye and this were vested interests, there are those who were for it and those who were against it for whatever reasons yet we ate from the same plate.
 Whereas i agree that we may have had a bad history or past as a country , we must not use this as a compass for our future, remembering the past will only turn us into pillars of salt, tasteless salt for that matter, must we compare Konza to the Smart City in Egypt of similar cities in Dubai as Mr. Mutinda posits? we could as well have something bigger , in any case we are learning from the mistakes that were made in those countries.
 I therefore propose that the project should proceed, we don't need to know what the future holds otherwise we will defeat the very defination of innovation, furthermore we are in a new constitutional dispension and we are likely to have institutional measures and safeguards that will ensure such projects don't fail as has been the case in the past.
 Having attended the presentation on Tatu City at Strathmore University i noticed the challenges that the planners were facing based on the same issues being raised by Bobby, what impressed me however is now the project team was able to convincingly respond to the queries being raised and when i left i had not doubt it was  a great idea, i suppose this is the approach we should adopt with regard to Konza so that all questions are not lumped at an individual, i guess the time is also ripe for another townhall meeting so that stakeholders can engage the project team lest we scuttle another great initiative, if there is no one to offer space i suggest we congregate at Uhuru Park, it is close to Dr. Ndemos office.
 My two tiles for the technology park  On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 9:54 AM, <godera at skyweb.co.ke> wrote:
Quoting robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>:

> Hi again Daktari,
>
> Seems this discussion has been reduced to a two horse race, as no other

> lister seems to want to weigh in their two cents maybe we should take the
> discussion offline it will be more interesting as we can suspend decorum.
>
> In closing the public discussion I ask why didn't you pursue the approach of

> implementing the project in mouth size bits with the initial stage being to> take over the Sameer Park as a spring board to Konza?  I appreciate the
> politics that killed the location but wouldn't it have been more practical to
> change the location while maintaining the approach?
>
> My reason for bringing this up is because I have realised over time that as
> Kenyan's we tend to come up with grandiose plans but we seriously lack
> staying power, except in the marathon.  President Moi reiterated this when
> he said "that the memory of the Kenyan is only 3 weeks long".
>
> Listers thanks for your tolerance and perseverance.
>
> Regards>  

> Robert Yawe
> KAY System Technologies Ltd
> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
> Kenya
>
>
> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696

>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: "bitange at jambo.co.ke" <bitange at jambo.co.ke>

> To: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>> Cc: "bitange at jambo.co.ke" <bitange at jambo.co.ke>; 'KICTAnet ICT Policy

> Discussions' <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Sent: Monday, 13 February 2012, 16:57
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?

>
> Robert,> The African story is very complicated.  I do not know whether we are lazy> as Hon. Kailemi Mwiria noted in his article in the Standard yesterday or
> we have a third world mentality in first world applications.  This morning> I was on KISS FM and both presenters wondered a loud how someone can walk
> on one of these new flyovers and hope to avoid an accident.  Are we> bringing modernity too quickly before our people can adopt urban life?

> Does this knowledge on the gap between modernity and culture stop us from> doing those things that will take us forward?  How does Africa adopt a Yes
> we can attitude?

>
> I am sure you know that I do not need anybody to bark for me.  I can take
> care of myself.  I am also quite sure that what we want to achieve in
> Konza is within the grasp of our knowldge to sustain it.  Yes on

> occassions I have questioned our resolve to finish ignorance.  We have
> spent more than 40 years fighting the same.  We all have the> responsibility to ensure that we deal with it as our founding fathers
> envisioned.  In the developed world you sometimes see similar ignorance
> but they do not speak about it as we do.  I found out that we speak
> because some of us are irreversible pesmists.
>
> Have some optimist day.
>
>
> Ndemo.
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hi Daktari,
> >
> > Thank you for the frank response to my question but I ask, now that you

> > know what is right why haven't you remedied the situation?
> >
> > I will give you a short story that might better explain why we cannot do
> > what you are proposing as relates to Konza unless we as individuals first

> > change within ourselves.
> >
> > As a technical manager for a IT company many years ago I kept having to
> > inspect equipment for cleanliness as they left the workshop going back to

> > the client as many of times no one took the effort to clean them well a
> > situation that kept pissing me off.
> >> > While throwing a tantrum about this issue it caught the attention of one

> > of the directors of the firm who called me to his office.  He said> > something that remains etched in my mind "how do you expect someone who
> > lives in an unclean environment, by your standards, to appreciate your
> > level of cleanliness".  I solved the problem by implementing a procedure> > on what must be done before any equipment left the premises from the

> > workshop.
> >
> > Daktari, as an individual I believe you share in my faith and must have an> > appreciation to why a journey of a few weeks took 40 years.  We suffer

> > from institutionalised mediocrity, for example, how does the City> > Council of Nairobi on one hand say they need to reduce vehicular traffic
> > while on the other hand they insist that when building residential houses

> > be it flats or semi detached one must provide the equivalent of 1.5
> > parking spaces per unit.
> >
> > From my response to Mr. Munyao, it is clear that Konza shall take
> > resources away from other areas which would mean the project shall not

> > create development rather it shall reassign development that was intended> > for other areas, what is better known as a zero sum game. 
> >
> > Machakos, Wote, Athi River and Kitengela have perennial water
> problems
> > imagine how much worse the situation will get once the new City kicks off.> >  
> >
> > The countries growing demand for energy and water will not stop until
> > after Konza which is the reason why we must incorporate the project into
> > the national strategy and stop trying to built a moated castle - with time

> > the citizenry will build a bridge across.
> >
> > Konza is a great dream, but until all those involved get down from their> > ivory towers that is all it shall remain.  I have not asked for any

> > remuneration to praise, criticise or make recommendations, instead of> > paying misguided individuals to try and silence my questions and your
> > taking pot shots at my person why not ask the simple question that I asked
> > Mr. Munyao - for who does he bark? > >
> > Lets have a realistic week.> >  
> > Regards
> >
> > Robert Yawe
> > KAY System Technologies Ltd
> > Phoenix House, 6th Floor
> > P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
> > Kenya

> >
> >
> > Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >  From: Bitange Ndemo <bitange at jambo.co.ke>> > To: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>

> > Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > Sent: Friday, 10 February 2012, 19:02
> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?

> >
> >
> > Robert,> > Thank you for the clarification.  When I built my house, the priority was
> > to cover myself against rain and sun shine.  Walls and the grills to

> > protect me from any lateral attack.  Just like my neighbour I knew nothing
> > about building codes.  Today I realize if there is a small fire in my> > house, I will not save myself.

> >
> > Such naivety should not be replicated in public buildings in this day and> > age.  We must begin to develop global standards buildings.  That is why
> > Konza is not just a new city but an exemplar.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> >
> > Ndemo.> > Sent from my BlackBerry®

> > ________________________________
> >
> > From:  robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
> > Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 06:36:31 +0000 (GMT)
> > To: bitange at jambo.co.ke<bitange at jambo.co.ke>
> > ReplyTo:  robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>> > Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'<kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>

> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?
> >
> > Hi Daktri,
> >
> > Your silence was becoming a concern especially with the headline yesterday
> > of an impending reshuffle and or reduction of PSs.  > >
> > Welcome back, I see you thought this post through as it was not done on

> > your portable gadget.
> >
> > I will respond beginning with the last point, I am a great father and that> > is not my inflated ego speaking but the opinion of my neighbours.  My
> > children are the opinion leaders in their peer groups, they dictate the
> > groups direction, they are giving the space to speak their minds, they are
> > allowed to defend their positions and have been their own thinkers from an

> > early age.
> >
> > So Dr. Ndemo your daughter will be fortunate to have me as a father in law
> > and your grand children will have in me a great, insightful and broad
> > minded grand father which are essential to the development of mighty

> > leaders.
> >
> > The cost of rent is going up faster in Kenya than it is in China and you
> > can take that as fact not opinion because I am an active player in the
> > real estate realm.  Commercial rent in Upper Hill has rising from 40/-
> > per square foot 5 years ago to 120/- today.  > >

> > The cost of land in Nanyuki 3 years ago was 120,000/- per acre, an area
> > that is less than 5 kilometres from the CBD, today the price is over
> > 600,000/-, I will not even try bringing up the issue of Kisumu as it is

> > literally obscene. We are not competitive at all in as far> > as infrastructure is concerned so please lets stop deceiving
> ourselves
> > on that front, Tanzania is much cheaper and Southern Sudan is more of a
> > blank canvas.
> >
> > As we look at the issue of land and building note that we still build
> > using methods and standards that where used when Buckingham Palace> was
> > being built, where the Chinese can build a 500 room hotel in 45 days it
> > would take us 3 years to do the same.  > >
> > The speed with which they can put up new developments complete with the

> > related infrastructure means that before you finish responding to this
> > post they will have moved 500 kilometres from Shanghai and begun building
> > a new city, complete with an international airport and a high speed rail

> > to Beijing, that will offer rents that are equivalent to one third or less
> > of what we shall be able to offer in Konza in 2015 (you see I can be> > positive).  The entire City will be ready for occupation before we
> finish
> > fencing Konza in 2013.
> >
> > On the man power front, we are busy churning out lawyers and> > administrators clearly we are barking up the wrong tree.  How many
> > lawyers and business administrators where there in the team that launched
> > Apple, Microsoft (1), Google, Facebook, Oracle, Amazon, MPesa, PesaPal,
> > Virtual City . . .  I am sure someone is already writing a response to> > this but note that the microsofts and googles of this world only brought
> > in the team of lawyers when they where big enough to get sued.

> >
> > Dr. Ndemo it is shocking that you can actual say on an open forum that
> > Kenya is unsafe and that investors should not come until the fenced City
> > of Konza is ready as it will offer a safe working environment.  This is> > an indication that you have moved to that exclusive 1% sector of society.
> >  > >
> > From your statement you are actually supporting and confirming what I said
> > in a previous post on this same issue that Konza shall be surrounded by

> > slums as the land around it is being subdivided into 50 ft x 100 ft plots.> >  > >
> > As an investor I will invest elsewhere for now until Konza becomes a

> > reality at which point I will apply the wise man's principle "only a fool> > never changes his mind"  or the political one "in politics there are no

> > permanent friends or foes".  
> >
> > Even Bill Gates, who initially dismissed the Internet as a passing> > cloud, did not hesitate to turn around and take full advantage of the new

> > opportunity when it became apparent, but he also realised that dealing
> > with IBM however lucrative it seemed on the onset was a marriage best> > forgotten. 
> >
> > My question to you and the team pushing Konza is , if today it became
> > clear that the project will have no viable economic impact will you be man
> > enough to pull the plug?

> >
> > As I indicated above we build castles which require as few entry/exit
> > points as possible, those in the real estate industry have been fighting
> > for the revision of the the building code since 1987 so as to get rid of

> > requirements such as the 45 degree pitched roof requirement which is
> > essential in countries where it snows.
> >
> > The plans for Konza will not be vetted by any new team of experts it will

> > be the same ones who are approving the plans for what we are building> > today and what will be built tomorrow.  City Hall Annexe, Nation Centre,
> > TelePosta, Nyayo House and many of the high rise buildings in the CBD are
> > fire traps yet they have had their occupation certificates renewed for
> > this year.  Daktari I ask you, 
> >
> > -  does the kitchen in your house have a fire blanket and extinguisher?
> >  
> > -  do you have approval for the 7 foot wall around your house?

> > -  when was the last time you where involved in a fire drill?> >
> > If not you are in contravention of the council by-laws
> and are subject> > to a fine and instead of us raising issues that have a direct impact on
> > our survival we are keeping the Council in court over issues of parking
> > metres and mobile toilet effluent discharge charges. > >
> > I had the opportunity to see the winning design for the campus tower to be
> > developed at the University of Nairobi and it was most wanting.  The> > intellectual elite at the University still got swayed by pomp and colour

> > like in the case of Konza than function and application of global
> > standards.
> >
> > Strathmore University on the other hand went for the LEED certification
> > right from design stage, please send me the section in the Konza master
> > plan where LEED certification is mentioned as a requirement?  We both> > listened to the presentation about Hydrabad and the issues that arose

> > relating to its development how they where handled, why is it that you> > refuse to carry out a SWOT analysis on the Konza project?  We need to
> > move beyond dreaming towards the reality that is the Kenya we have. 
> >
> > Listers please do not get confused with the presentation you are seeing in
> > the media, Konza City is still only a piece of empty land, many of you
> > react to my posts as if I am suggesting that we demolish an existing
> > structure.  The images on TV are a simulation and are not real.> >
> > We have massive cultural issues, baggage that we shall carry from birth to
> > death unless we face our demons and conquer them we shall not make
> any
> > progress.  Confucius was Chinese and the Chinese child has grown on the
> > tenets of Confucius we have grown up on the tenets of Wangu wa Makere,
> > Oloibon Lenana, Lwanda Magere and Chief Nikango how can we leverage our
> > cultural heritage to improve our modern lives without trying to ape other
> > cultures?  > >
> > For example, it has been proven that no African dialect as a word that
> > means "maintenance" as we did not need it, we buried you inside your hut

> > and let it waste away while the Maasai . . . .
> >
> > In closing I will respond to my pet issue of my appointment as post master
> > general, I will start with a quote from the bible "what good can come out
> > of Nazareth, they said".  > >
> > PCK is lying flat on its back like an envelop (thanks Ntimama), so I agree
> > that if I was already PMG it would be on its knees today on the way to
> > standing up on its own two feet.  > >
> > Thank you for your confidence, I hope you will act on this as you push at
> > the next board meeting of PCK for my appointment.

> >
> > With that wise crack I clear my cache and exit the loop.
> >
> > Regards> >  
> >
> > Robert Yawe
> > KAY System Technologies Ltd

> > Phoenix House, 6th Floor
> > P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
> > Kenya
> >
> >
> > Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696

> >
> >
> > ________________________________> >  From: "bitange at jambo.co.ke" <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
> > To: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
> > Cc: bitange at jambo.co.ke; 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'

> > <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > Sent: Thursday, 9 February 2012, 20:39
> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?

> >
> > Robert,
> > Had we hired you as PCK Chief with this kind of pessimism, the> > organization will be on its knees.  I see no reason for celebrating

> > contradictions of our policy makers.  We have traveled this road before
> > and came through.  You recall the registration of Teams that almost
> > derailed the entire process.
> >

> > Our culture lets us down in every aspect.  We treasure negativity and
> > pray
> > that one falls in every positive step that is made.  When Confucious
> > said,
> > " a journey of 1,000 miles starts with one step", he meant that that you
> > should not look at the challenges of covering the 1,000 miles but the
> > opportunities of moving at least one step.  Yes we have seen white> > elephants but that does not mean we don't try.
> >
> > Two of the world's outsourcing companies have been around searching for

> > real> >  estate to rent.  Two months there is not one building in Nairobi that
> > meets international standards.  Large buildings have only one fire
> escape
> > that if there was fire, people will die not from fire but because there is> > no exit.  Just look at any ceiling to check if there are water
> > sprinklers.
> > Some fancy buildings have only one toilet in a floor that accomodates> > more than 300 people.  I could say more..

> >
> > Konza is not in any threat.  This is our future where we shall create
> not
> > only employment but a safe work environment.  I would bet that Robert
> > will
> > be among the first to seek opportunities at Konza.
> >
> > In the same paper that Robert extracted the Konza story from there was> > another story about the rise of rental cost in China.  A clear
> > opportunity
> > for us to start offering affordable destination and making it competitive
> > through partnership in capacity development (Read Carnigue
> >  Mellon> > University Partnership).
> >
> > Honestly as liberal I have said to myself that I will never intervere with

> > my daughter's choice of boyfriend but if I find her with Robert's son, I> > will talk her out of it.  Robert if you continue like this, you will
> make
> > a bad father in law.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ndemo.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>

> >> Konza = public land = freeze by Orengo = national lands commissioner =
> >> spanner in the works
> >>
> >>
>http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/-/539552/1323050/-/56yje2z/-/index.html 

> >>
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>  > >> Robert Yawe
> >> KAY System Technologies Ltd
> >> Phoenix House, 6th Floor

> >> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
> >> Kenya
> >>
> >>
> >> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696

> >>
> >>
> >>> >  ________________________________
> >>  From: Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke>
> >> To: 'robert yawe' <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
> >> Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>

> >> Sent: Wednesday, 8 February 2012, 11:06
> >> Subject: RE: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?
> >>
> >>
> >> Robert
> >>  
> >> I can’t argue with your points…
> >>  > >> We need realists. However having said that the suggestion would be to

> >> not
> >> shy aware from such developments but to ensure that mechanisms are put
> >> in> >> place that we don’t have another Buruburu, Dandora on our

> hands.
> >>
> >   
> >> Guys, it’s good to be skeptical but its better still to
> offer
> >> solutions
> >> to avoid such eventualities. That’s why Risk Management
> will be a
> >> critical aspect of such potentially paradigm shifting endeavors.> >>  
> >> Robert, we need your contrarian view points. Please do not lose that..> >>  
> >> PS. I am old enough to know what happened in Eastlands…J

> >>  
> >>  
> >>  > >> Ali Hussein|Managing Partner
> >>
> >> Telemedia Africa
> >> Azania Technology Group

> >> Chaka Court, Argwings Kodhek Road> >> P O Box  14556-00100> >> +254 773/713 601113
> >> Nairobi, Kenya
> >>  
> >>  
> >> Twitter: @AliHKassim
> >> Skype: abu-jomo
> >>  
> >>  
> >> From:robert yawe [mailto:robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 10:40 AM
> >> To: Ali Hussein

> >> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?> >>  
> >> Hussein,
> >>  
> >> Interesting that you bring up Buru Buru where I lived from the age of 5
> >> years, when there where picket fences, kids swings, slides and nanny
> >> parks, until I left at the age of 18 when there were 7 foot stone fences

> >> with broken glass toppings, churches and bars in the places where I once
> >> swung, metal sheet granny houses and even entire houses demolished and> >> replaced with beacon to beacon multi story structures.

> >>  > >> Living in Buru Buru & going to school in Eastleigh I commuted from 1st
> >> Avenue, through Juja Road and then down Outer Ring Road watching the

> >> landscape> >  change.  I watched as Huruma went from a lovely middle class> >> development to what it is today, Dandora transformed from a well thought

> >> out cluster development to the multi story structures you see today and
> >> then Umoja which well there is nothing to explain it.> >>  
> >> All this happened right under the nose of a President, UNEP, Habitat,
> >> City
> >> Council of Nairobi, AAK, ISK, IEK, UON, Ministry of Housing, Ministry of

> >> Public Health, Ministry of Public Works, Parliament, Kenya Airforce and> >> many others who could have stopped the carnage.  
> >>  
> >> Go to the areas around Konza, or just read the classifieds in the
> >> dailies,
> >> and watch the subdivision of plots from the initial seven acre parcels

> >> to> >> plots of as small as an eight of an acre (50 x 100).  We are> already
> >> replicating Nairobi only that now it is being done in reverse,
> >  beginning> >> with the surrounding slums and hopefully end with the glassy
> >> skyscrapers.
> >>  
> >>  > >> The road to Konza shall be literally lined with slums> and shanties,
> >> then
> >> we shall have proposals to allow helipads, overpasses, windowless high
> >> speed trains and overhead cable cars to get the investors in and out of

> >> the technopolis without exposing them to the unsightly developments.> >>  > >> Also lets not forget that we have been unable to handle national

> >> projects
> >> to date yet we had a central government, come sometime in August 2013 we
> >> shall have 47 little governments all with their specific interests and
> >> agendas, what is the likelihood that Konza will get the support required

> >> to make it work?> >>  > >> Imagine Buru Buru happened to an estate that was fully developed, I saw

> >> it
> >> and you and many might be too young to have> >  lived through
> >> the destruction of a brilliant project but I was, so maybe
> you can
> >> now
> >> better understand my skepticism when it comes to our ability as a nation
> >> to control the development of a 5,000
> acre piece of empty
> >> piece land.
> >>  > >> I am not a pessimist I am a realist, let the dreamers prove me wrong

> >> when
> >> I have history backing my position.> >>  
> >> Regards
> >>  
> >> Robert Yawe
> >> KAY System Technologies Ltd
> >> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
> >> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
> >> Kenya
> >> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696

> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >>
> >> From:Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke>
> >> To: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>

> >> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, 7 February 2012, 19:02
> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?
> >>  
> >> Robert
> >>  
> >> I would like to be more optimistic about Konza. > >>

> >> What you are describing is a Buruburu type land grab and I'm sure that
> >> isn't what was intended for Konza.> >>  
> >> Have some faith my brother... In fact I think Robert there is room for
> >> speculation... Though I suspect not in the way we are used to... Think
> >> Speculation 3.0 with a dash of new tech... :)
> >>  
> >>  > >> Ali Hussein
> >> Managing Partner
> >> Telemedia Africa
> >> Azania Technology
> >  Group 
> >> +254 773/713 601113
> >>  > >> "You generally hear that what a man doesn't know doesn't hurt him, but

> >> in> >> business what a man doesn't know does hurt.". - E. St. Elmo Lewis,> >> member, Advertising Hall of Fame

> >>
> >> On Feb 7, 2012, at 3:14 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >> @Walu,
> >>> > >>>In short what the AG said was that government land cannot be assigned to
> >>> an individual or entity but must be offered to the general public.
> >>>  The> >>> statement was initially targeted at the Airtel/Postal/IBM deal of the
> >>> plot opposite Yaya Centre but it spoke volumes as it gave a precedent

> >>> for
> >>> the way forward as relates to government land.> >>> > >>>Konza is government land and is and will be governed by
> >  the law of the> >>> land as relates to such resource, therefore if Microsoft wanted to put
> >>> up
> >>> a campus in Konza on a 20 acre plot the government would have to tender

> >>> for its sell.> >>> > >>>At which point Yawe and Co-speculators Inc. will tender and likely win

> >>> as> >>> we shall play the nationalist, county and tribe card.  We will> then
> >>> offer the same land to Microsoft at an inflated price who will reject

> >>> the
> >>> offer and opt to locate to the Lakeview Techno City next to RIAT with> >>> views from the largest fresh water lake offering water sports.  

> >>> > >>>My group and I will then subdivide the 20 acres into broty of 50 x 100> >>> and sell them to the public to recover our investment.  Visit the
> >>> area
> >>> around Bamburi and London Distillers in Athi River/Mavoko area for a
> >>> living and breathing
> >  example of what Konza will look like by the year
> >>> 2020, it is even more pronounced from GoogleEarth.  
> >>> > >>>That was the initial location of the EPZ before it was felt necessary to

> >>> relocate the same 2 kilometres down the road into Rift Valley Province.> >>>  The architect of that relocation is an aspiring presidential
> >>> candidate,
> >>> what stops him from relocating Konza if he wins the election?> >>> 
> >>>Let us not blind ourselves to the reality and return to the Kenya we
> >>> know, the EPZ continues to struggle many years later, JKIA remains with
> >>> hundreds of empty plots still being held onto by prospective investors

> >>> who where allocated the land over 30 years ago, Baba Dogo is turning
> >>> into
> >>> a large residential area and the KIE sheds in Industrial Area have
> >>> become

> >>>> >  stores.
> >>> > >>>Runda Closeburn will definitely fly, Tatu will limp along for a while

> >>> but
> >>> Konza will be a still birth.> >>> 
> >>> > >>>What is the strategy for Konza and can someone answer these questions

> >>> for
> >>> us?
>>>>           
> will the land be sold to
> >>> prospective investors
> >>> better known as speculators or leased to investors?
>
>>>           > will the government
> >>> allocate the land to

> >>> prospective investors a.k.a Karurarists?
>>>>           
> how long will it take to
> >>> develop the
> >>> infrastructure noting that Nairobi still cannot provide sufficient
> >>> water,
> >>> sewerage services and
> >  electricity to its residents 200 years down the
> >>> road?
>
>>>           
> when the infrastructure is
> >>> complete and the land
> >>> allocated how long will it be before the first tenant moves in?
>
>>>           > if the first tenant moves
> >>> in sometime around 2030

> >>> will the concept still be viable?
>>>>           
> is the rest of Africa,
> >>> Asia, Eastern Europe and
> >>> the Maldives sleeping?
>>>>           
> once Raila becomes
> >>> President, after beating a
> >>> joint force of Kalonzo, Uhuru & Ruto, what is the likelihood that he
> >>> will

> >>> allow that level of national resources to be> >  spent in that region instead> >>> of relocate the same to for example Nyanza where there is already an

> >>> International Airport, is closer to Southern Sudan, the residents speak
> >>> fluent english plus has english like names to boot, it is> >>> a marginalized county (highest child mortality rate) and
> it gave
> >>> him
> >>> their vote as a block?> >>> 
> >>>Until we get a comprehensive report from the various players> >>> i.e. treasury, ministry of
> information, ministry of lands,
> >>> AG's
> >>> Chambers, local government, county representatives and the President
> >>> the> >>> project shall remain as dead as a dodo irrespective of how many

> >>> flashy
> >>> advertisements are run by a sub-entity of
> a sub-entity of a> >>> substantial participant in the project.
> >>> > >>>Walu, in your case which> >  ever way it goes nothing affects your setting up
> >>> a lab, but if I was the University I would look at putting up an entire
> >>> self sufficient campus.> >>> 

> >>>Regards
> >>> 
> >>>PS.  China government is to build 1000 houses in Kisumu plus any> >>> other
> >>> projects that they deem necessary to giving Kisumu the status becoming

> >>> of
> >>> a City.> >>> > >>>Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box

> >>> 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
> >>>
> >>>________________________________

> >>>
> >>>From:Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com>
> >>>To: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>

> >>>Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy> >  Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> >>>Sent: Tuesday, 7 February 2012, 11:04
> >>>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?> >>> 

> >>>@Yawe,
> >>>
> >>>u seem to b on the inside loop on this one.  Konza City,
> >>> scuttled?  I> >>> had advised my boss to book a university lab there and now I might need

> >>> guidance on what next?
> >>>
> >>>And thats me as a local stakeholder, what of the international
> >>> stakeholders - what would they make of your statement?

> >>>
> >>>walu.
> >>>
> >>>--- On Mon, 2/6/12, robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >>>

> >>>From: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
> >>>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...
> >>>To: jwalu at yahoo.com

> >>>Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> >>>Date: Monday, February 6, 2012, 5:25 PM

> >>>Listers,> >>> > >>>Are we seriously having this discussion, please leave certification to

> >>> institutes of education such as Universities who already issue degrees
> >>> in
> >>> computer science and the like.> >>> 
> >>>This is just another tax guzzling scheme like the Konza adverts being
> >>> run> >>> on TV yet the AG has already scuttled the project, 

> >>> 
> >>>We are aware
> >  that all the great software applications developed over the
> >>> past 3 decades have been done by enthusiasts or as Philip Ochieng

> >>> recently clarified amateurs, a situation that is not about to
> change
> >>> any
> >>> time soon.
> >>> 
> >>>KICT eat in peace.

> >>> 
> >>>Regards
> >>> 
> >>>PS.  Liko lets go look for something more productive to do with> our

> >>> time, wachana na mambo ya certification na business> plans.  
> >>> > >>>Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box

> >>> 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
> >>>
> >>>________________________________

> >>>
> >>>From:Agosta Liko <agostal at gmail.com>
> >>>To: robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk

> >>>Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> >>>Sent: Sunday, 5 February 2012, 14:00
> >>>Subject: [kictanet] Weird Things ...
> >>> > >>>Samsung launched its 2nd Engineering Academy with a local Educational
> >>> Institution
> >>>

> >>>The ICT Board on the other hand is working with a Foreign Institution to
> >>> launch a Kenyan software development certification
> >>>
> >>>:)
> >>>

> >>>
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I don't think your comments need tolerance or patience.

I believe it is very healthy and constructive to debate on such pertinent
issues. It brings out various factors that may not have been considered or that
may still be salvaged. In my view, thinking through your comments should light

up some bulbs.
Your main query,if I understand you well,is whether our country strategy to
develop the industry is on the right track.
I have had many discussions with both local and international industry
stakeholders and encountered exactly the same comments/queries so I am not

surprised to hear you raising them.
I think listers should give their comments,suggestions, opinions on this, even
though it is in progress.
Many good ideas are likely to spring from this.

Regards,


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