[kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?

[Brian Munyao Longwe]

On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 11:45 AM, Edith Adera <eadera at idrc.or.ke> wrote:

> *"The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams."*
>
> *~ Eleanor Roosevelt*
>
> * *
>
> *"May our dreams defy the laws of gravity."*
>
> *~ H. Jackson Brown, Jr.*****
>
> * *
>
> *CAN WE MOVE FORWARD!!*
>


Amen and Hallelujah!



> **
>
> ** **
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> *From:* kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:
> kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Barrack
> Otieno
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 15, 2012 11:33 AM
> *To:* Edith Adera
>
> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?****
>
> ** **
>
> Robert et al,****
>
> ** **
>
> Whereas i agree to your positive criticism we run the risk of analysis
> paralysis, i attended the town hall meeting at UoN where Dr. Ndemo
> presented the title deed for Konza City, during the same meeting i noticed
> something that was not so clear to the naked eye and this were vested
> interests, there are those who were for it and those who were against it
> for whatever reasons yet we ate from the same plate.****
>
> ** **
>
> Whereas i agree that we may have had a bad history or past as a country ,
> we must not use this as a compass for our future, remembering the past will
> only turn us into pillars of salt, tasteless salt for that matter, must we
> compare Konza to the Smart City in Egypt of similar cities in Dubai as Mr.
> Mutinda posits? we could as well have something bigger , in any case we are
> learning from the mistakes that were made in those countries.****
>
> ** **
>
> I therefore propose that the project should proceed, we don't need to know
> what the future holds otherwise we will defeat the very defination of
> innovation, furthermore we are in a new constitutional dispension and we
> are likely to have institutional measures and safeguards that will ensure
> such projects don't fail as has been the case in the past.****
>
> ** **
>
> Having attended the presentation on Tatu City at Strathmore University i
> noticed the challenges that the planners were facing based on the same
> issues being raised by Bobby, what impressed me however is now the project
> team was able to convincingly respond to the queries being raised and when
> i left i had not doubt it was  a great idea, i suppose this is the approach
> we should adopt with regard to Konza so that all questions are not lumped
> at an individual, i guess the time is also ripe for another townhall
> meeting so that stakeholders can engage the project team lest we scuttle
> another great initiative, if there is no one to offer space i suggest we
> congregate at Uhuru Park, it is close to Dr. Ndemos office.****
>
> ** **
>
> My two tiles for the technology park  ****
>
> On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 9:54 AM, <godera at skyweb.co.ke> wrote:****
>
> Quoting robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>:
>
> > Hi again Daktari,
> >
> > Seems this discussion has been reduced to a two horse race, as no other
> > lister seems to want to weigh in their two cents maybe we should take the
> > discussion offline it will be more interesting as we can suspend decorum.
> >
> > In closing the public discussion I ask why didn't you pursue the
> approach of
> > implementing the project in mouth size bits with the initial stage being
> to****
>
> > take over the Sameer Park as a spring board to Konza? Â I appreciate the
> ****
>
> > politics that killed the location but wouldn't it have been more
> practical to
> > change the location while maintaining the approach?
> >
> > My reason for bringing this up is because I have realised over time that
> as****
>
> > Kenyan's we tend to come up with grandiose plans but we seriously lack
> > staying power, except in the marathon. Â President Moi reiterated this
> when****
>
> > he said "that the memory of the Kenyan is only 3 weeks long".
> >
> > Listers thanks for your tolerance and perseverance.
> >
> > Regards****
>
> > Â
> > Robert Yawe
> > KAY System Technologies Ltd
> > Phoenix House, 6th Floor
> > P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
> > Kenya
> >
> >
> > Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >  From: "bitange at jambo.co.ke" <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
> > To: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>****
>
> > Cc: "bitange at jambo.co.ke" <bitange at jambo.co.ke>; 'KICTAnet ICT Policy
> > Discussions' <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > Sent: Monday, 13 February 2012, 16:57
> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?
> >
> > Robert,****
>
> > The African story is very complicated.  I do not know whether we are
> lazy****
>
> > as Hon. Kailemi Mwiria noted in his article in the Standard yesterday or
> ****
>
> > we have a third world mentality in first world applications.  This
> morning****
>
> > I was on KISS FM and both presenters wondered a loud how someone can walk
> ****
>
> > on one of these new flyovers and hope to avoid an accident.  Are we****
>
> > bringing modernity too quickly before our people can adopt urban life?
> > Does this knowledge on the gap between modernity and culture stop us from
> ****
>
> > doing those things that will take us forward?  How does Africa adopt a
> Yes
> > we can attitude?
> >
> > I am sure you know that I do not need anybody to bark for me.  I can
> take
> > care of myself.  I am also quite sure that what we want to achieve in
> > Konza is within the grasp of our knowldge to sustain it.  Yes on
> > occassions I have questioned our resolve to finish ignorance.  We have
> > spent more than 40 years fighting the same.  We all have the****
>
> > responsibility to ensure that we deal with it as our founding fathers***
> *
>
> > envisioned.  In the developed world you sometimes see similar ignorance
> > but they do not speak about it as we do.  I found out that we speak****
>
> > because some of us are irreversible pesmists.
> >
> > Have some optimist day.
> >
> >
> > Ndemo.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Hi Daktari,
> > >
> > > Thank you for the frank response to my question but I ask, now that you
> > > know what is right why haven't you remedied the situation?
> > >
> > > I will give you a short story that might better explain why we cannot
> do
> > > what you are proposing as relates to Konza unless we as individuals
> first
> > > change within ourselves.
> > >
> > > As a technical manager for a IT company many years ago I kept having to
> > > inspect equipment for cleanliness as they left the workshop going back
> to
> > > the client as many of times no one took the effort to clean them well a
> > > situation that kept pissing me off.
> > >****
>
> > > While throwing a tantrum about this issue it caught the attention
> of one
> > > of the directors of the firm who called me to his office.  He said*
> ***
>
> > > something that remains etched in my mind "how do you expect someone who
> > > lives in an unclean environment, by your standards, to appreciate your
> ****
>
> > > level of cleanliness".  I solved the problem by implementing a
> procedure****
>
> > > on what must be done before any equipment left the premises from the
> > > workshop.
> > >
> > > Daktari, as an individual I believe you share in my faith and must
> have an****
>
> > > appreciation to why a journey of a few weeks took 40 years.  We
> suffer
> > > from institutionalised mediocrity, for example, how does the City
> ****
>
> > > Council of Nairobi on one hand say they need to reduce vehicular
> traffic
> > > while on the other hand they insist that when building residential
> houses
> > > be it flats or semi detached one must provide the equivalent of 1.5
> > > parking spaces per unit.
> > >
> > > From my response to Mr. Munyao, it is clear that Konza shall take
> > > resources away from other areas which would mean the project shall not
> > > create development rather it shall reassign development that was
> intended****
>
> > > for other areas, what is better known as a zero sum game.ÂÂ
> > >
> > > Machakos, Wote, Athi River and Kitengela have perennial water***
> *
>
> > problems
> > > imagine how much worse the situation will get once the new City kicks
> off.****
>
> > >  ****
>
> > >
> > > The countries growing demand for energy and water will not stop until
> > > after Konza which is the reason why we must incorporate the project
> into
> > > the national strategy and stop trying to built a moated castle - with
> time
> > > the citizenry will build a bridge across.
> > >
> > > Konza is a great dream, but until all those involved get down from
> their****
>
> > > ivory towers that is all it shall remain.  I have not asked for any
> > > remuneration to praise, criticise or make recommendations, instead
> of****
>
> > > paying misguided individuals to try and silence my questions and your
> > > taking pot shots at my person why not ask the simple question that I
> asked****
>
> > > Mr. Munyao - for who does he bark? ****
>
> > >
> > > Lets have a realistic week.****
>
> > >  ****
>
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Robert Yawe
> > > KAY System Technologies Ltd
> > > Phoenix House, 6th Floor
> > > P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
> > > Kenya
> > >
> > >
> > > Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________****
>
> > >Â  From: Bitange Ndemo <bitange at jambo.co.ke>****
>
> > > To: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
> > > Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > > Sent: Friday, 10 February 2012, 19:02
> > > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?
> > >
> > >
> > > Robert,****
>
> > > Thank you for the clarification.  When I built my house, the priority
> was
> > > to cover myself against rain and sun shine.  Walls and the grills to
> > > protect me from any lateral attack.  Just like my neighbour I knew
> nothing
> > > about building codes.  Today I realize if there is a small fire in my
> ****
>
> > > house, I will not save myself.
> > >
> > > Such naivety should not be replicated in public buildings in this day
> and****
>
> > > age.  We must begin to develop global standards buildings.  That is
> why****
>
> > > Konza is not just a new city but an exemplar.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > >
> > > Ndemo.****
>
> > > Sent from my BlackBerry®
> > > ________________________________
> > >
> > > From:Â  robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>****
>
> > > Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 06:36:31 +0000 (GMT)
> > > To: bitange at jambo.co.ke<bitange at jambo.co.ke>****
>
> > > ReplyTo:Â  robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>****
>
> > > Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'<kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?
> > >
> > > Hi Daktri,
> > >
> > > Your silence was becoming a concern especially with the headline
> yesterday****
>
> > > of an impending reshuffle and or reduction of PSs.  ****
>
> > >
> > > Welcome back, I see you thought this post through as it was not done on
> > > your portable gadget.
> > >
> > > I will respond beginning with the last point, I am a great father and
> that****
>
> > > is not my inflated ego speaking but the opinion of my neighbours.
>  My****
>
> > > children are the opinion leaders in their peer groups, they dictate the
> > > groups direction, they are giving the space to speak their minds, they
> are
> > > allowed to defend their positions and have been their own thinkers
> from an
> > > early age.
> > >
> > > So Dr. Ndemo your daughter will be fortunate to have me as a father in
> law
> > > and your grand children will have in me a great, insightful and broad
> > > minded grand father which are essential to the development of mighty
> > > leaders.
> > >
> > > The cost of rent is going up faster in Kenya than it is in China and
> you
> > > can take that as fact not opinion because I am an active player in the
> ****
>
> > > real estate realm.  Commercial rent in Upper Hill has rising from
> 40/-
> > > per square foot 5 years ago to 120/- today.  ****
>
> > >
> > > The cost of land in Nanyuki 3 years ago was 120,000/- per acre, an area
> > > that is less than 5 kilometres from the CBD, today the price is over
> > > 600,000/-, I will not even try bringing up the issue of Kisumu as it is
> > > literally obscene. We are not competitive at all in as far****
>
> > > as infrastructure is concerned so please lets stop deceiving****
>
> > ourselves
> > > on that front, Tanzania is much cheaper and Southern Sudan is more of a
> > > blank canvas.
> > >
> > > As we look at the issue of land and building note that we still build*
> ***
>
> > > using methods and standards that where used
> when Buckingham Palace****
>
> > was
> > > being built, where the Chinese can build a 500 room hotel in 45 days it
> ****
>
> > > would take us 3 years to do the same.  ****
>
> > >
> > > The speed with which they can put up new developments complete with the
> > > related infrastructure means that before you finish responding to this
> > > post they will have moved 500 kilometres from Shanghai and begun
> building
> > > a new city, complete with an international airport and a high speed
> rail
> > > to Beijing, that will offer rents that are equivalent to one third or
> less
> > > of what we shall be able to offer in Konza in 2015 (you see I can be**
> **
>
> > > positive).  The entire City will be ready for occupation before we*
> ***
>
> > finish
> > > fencing Konza in 2013.
> > >
> > > On the man power front, we are busy churning out lawyers and****
>
> > > administrators clearly we are barking up the wrong tree.  How many*
> ***
>
> > > lawyers and business administrators where there in the team that
> launched
> > > Apple, Microsoft (1), Google, Facebook, Oracle, Amazon, MPesa, PesaPal,
> ****
>
> > > Virtual City . . .  I am sure someone is already writing a response
> to****
>
> > > this but note that the microsofts and googles of this world only
> brought
> > > in the team of lawyers when they where big enough to get sued.
> > >
> > > Dr. Ndemo it is shocking that you can actual say on an open forum that
> > > Kenya is unsafe and that investors should not come until the fenced
> City****
>
> > > of Konza is ready as it will offer a safe working environment.
>  This is****
>
> > > an indication that you have moved to that exclusive 1% sector of
> society.****
>
> > >  ****
>
> > >
> > > From your statement you are actually supporting and confirming what I
> said
> > > in a previous post on this same issue that Konza shall be surrounded by
> > > slums as the land around it is being subdivided into 50 ft x 100 ft
> plots.****
>
> > >  ****
>
> > >
> > > As an investor I will invest elsewhere for now until Konza becomes a
> > > reality at which point I will apply the wise man's principle "only a
> fool****
>
> > > never changes his mind"  or the political one "in politics there
> are no
> > > permanent friends or foes". ÂÂ
> > >
> > > Even Bill Gates, who initially dismissed the Internet as a
> passing****
>
> > > cloud, did not hesitate to turn around and take full advantage of the
> new
> > > opportunity when it became apparent, but he also realised that dealing
> > > with IBM however lucrative it seemed on the onset was a marriage best*
> ***
>
> > > forgotten. ****
>
> > >
> > > My question to you and the team pushing Konza is , if today it became
> > > clear that the project will have no viable economic impact will you be
> man
> > > enough to pull the plug?
> > >
> > > As I indicated above we build castles which require as few entry/exit
> > > points as possible, those in the real estate industry have been
> fighting
> > > for the revision of the the building code since 1987 so as to get rid
> of
> > > requirements such as the 45 degree pitched roof requirement which is
> > > essential in countries where it snows.
> > >
> > > The plans for Konza will not be vetted by any new team of experts it
> will
> > > be the same ones who are approving the plans for what we are building*
> ***
>
> > > today and what will be built tomorrow.  City Hall Annexe, Nation
> Centre,****
>
> > > TelePosta, Nyayo House and many of the high rise buildings in the CBD
> are
> > > fire traps yet they have had their occupation certificates renewed for
> ****
>
> > > this year.  Daktari I ask you,ÂÂ
> > >
> > > -  does the kitchen in your house have a fire blanket and
> extinguisher?
> > > ÂÂ
> > > -  do you have approval for the 7 foot wall around your house?
> > > -  when was the last time you where involved in a fire drill?****
>
> > >
> > > If not you are in contravention of the council by-laws****
>
> > and are subject****
>
> > > to a fine and instead of us raising issues that have a direct impact on
> > > our survival we are keeping the Council in court over issues of parking
> ****
>
> > > metres and mobile toilet effluent discharge charges. ****
>
> > >
> > > I had the opportunity to see the winning design for the campus tower
> to be****
>
> > > developed at the University of Nairobi and it was most wanting.  The
> ****
>
> > > intellectual elite at the University still got swayed by pomp and
> colour
> > > like in the case of Konza than function and application of global
> > > standards.
> > >
> > > Strathmore University on the other hand went for the LEED certification
> > > right from design stage, please send me the section in the Konza master
> ****
>
> > > plan where LEED certification is mentioned as a requirement?  We
> both****
>
> > > listened to the presentation about Hydrabad and the issues that arose
> > > relating to its development how they where handled, why is it that you
> ****
>
> > > refuse to carry out a SWOT analysis on the Konza project?  We need
> to
> > > move beyond dreaming towards the reality that is the Kenya we have.ÂÂ
> ****
>
> > >
> > > Listers please do not get confused with the presentation you are
> seeing in
> > > the media, Konza City is still only a piece of empty land, many of you
> > > react to my posts as if I am suggesting that we demolish an existing**
> **
>
> > > structure.  The images on TV are a simulation and are not real.****
>
> > >
> > > We have massive cultural issues, baggage that we shall carry from
> birth to****
>
> > > death unless we face our demons and conquer them we shall not
> make
> > any
> > > progress.  Confucius was Chinese and the Chinese child has grown on
> the****
>
> > > tenets of Confucius we have grown up on the tenets of Wangu wa Makere,
> > > Oloibon Lenana, Lwanda Magere and Chief Nikango how can we leverage our
> > > cultural heritage to improve our modern lives without trying to ape
> other****
>
> > > cultures?  ****
>
> > >
> > > For example, it has been proven that no African dialect as a word that
> > > means "maintenance" as we did not need it, we buried you inside your
> hut
> > > and let it waste away while the Maasai . . . .
> > >
> > > In closing I will respond to my pet issue of my appointment as post
> master
> > > general, I will start with a quote from the bible "what good can come
> out****
>
> > > of Nazareth, they said".  ****
>
> > >
> > > PCK is lying flat on its back like an envelop (thanks Ntimama), so I
> agree
> > > that if I was already PMG it would be on its knees today on the way to
> ****
>
> > > standing up on its own two feet.  ****
>
> > >
> > > Thank you for your confidence, I hope you will act on this as you push
> at
> > > the next board meeting of PCK for my appointment.
> > >
> > > With that wise crack I clear my cache and exit the loop.
> > >
> > > Regards****
>
> > > ÂÂ
> > >
> > > Robert Yawe
> > > KAY System Technologies Ltd
> > > Phoenix House, 6th Floor
> > > P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
> > > Kenya
> > >
> > >
> > > Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________****
>
> > >Â  From: "bitange at jambo.co.ke" <bitange at jambo.co.ke>****
>
> > > To: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
> > > Cc: bitange at jambo.co.ke; 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'
> > > <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > > Sent: Thursday, 9 February 2012, 20:39
> > > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?
> > >
> > > Robert,
> > > Had we hired you as PCK Chief with this kind of pessimism, the****
>
> > > organization will be on its knees.  I see no reason for celebrating
> > > contradictions of our policy makers.  We have traveled this road
> before
> > > and came through.  You recall the registration of Teams that almost
> > > derailed the entire process.
> > >
> > > Our culture lets us down in every aspect.  We treasure negativity
> and
> > > pray
> > > that one falls in every positive step that is made.  When Confucious
> ****
>
> > > said,
> > > " a journey of 1,000 miles starts with one step", he meant that that
> you
> > > should not look at the challenges of covering the 1,000 miles but the*
> ***
>
> > > opportunities of moving at least one step.  Yes we have seen white*
> ***
>
> > > elephants but that does not mean we don't try.
> > >
> > > Two of the world's outsourcing companies have been around searching for
> > > real****
>
> > >  estate to rent.  Two months there is not one building in Nairobi
> that
> > > meets international standards.  Large buildings have only one fire*
> ***
>
> > escape
> > > that if there was fire, people will die not from fire but because
> there is****
>
> > > no exit.  Just look at any ceiling to check if there are water****
>
> > > sprinklers.
> > > Some fancy buildings have only one toilet in a floor that accomodates*
> ***
>
> > > more than 300 people.  I could say more..
> > >
> > > Konza is not in any threat.  This is our future where we shall
> create
> > not
> > > only employment but a safe work environment.  I would bet that
> Robert****
>
> > > will
> > > be among the first to seek opportunities at Konza.
> > >
> > > In the same paper that Robert extracted the Konza story from there was
> ****
>
> > > another story about the rise of rental cost in China.  A clear****
>
> > > opportunity
> > > for us to start offering affordable destination and making it
> competitive
> > > through partnership in capacity development (Read Carnigue****
>
> > >Â  Mellon****
>
> > > University Partnership).
> > >
> > > Honestly as liberal I have said to myself that I will never intervere
> with
> > > my daughter's choice of boyfriend but if I find her with Robert's son,
> I****
>
> > > will talk her out of it.  Robert if you continue like this, you will
> ****
>
> > make
> > > a bad father in law.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ndemo.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >> Konza = public land = freeze by Orengo = national lands commissioner =
> > >> spanner in the works
> > >>
> > >>
> >****
>
>
> http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/-/539552/1323050/-/56yje2z/-/index.htmlÃâ
> €šÃ‚Â
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Regards
> > >>  ****
>
> > >> Robert Yawe
> > >> KAY System Technologies Ltd
> > >> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
> > >> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
> > >> Kenya
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>****
>
> > >Â  ________________________________
> > >>  From: Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke>****
>
> > >> To: 'robert yawe' <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
> > >> Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, 8 February 2012, 11:06
> > >> Subject: RE: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Robert****
>
> > >> ÂÂÂ
> > >> I can’t argue with your points…
> > >>  ****
>
> > >> We need realists. However having said that the suggestion would be to
> > >> not
> > >> shy aware from such developments but to ensure that mechanisms are put
> > >> in****
>
> > >> place that we don’t have another Buruburu, Dandora
> on our
> > hands.
> > >>
> > >  ÂÂÂ
> > >> Guys, it’s good to be skeptical but its better still
> to
> > offer
> > >> solutions
> > >> to avoid such eventualities. That’s why Risk
> Management****
>
> > will be a
> > >> critical aspect of such potentially paradigm shifting endeavors.****
>
> > >>  ****
>
> > >> Robert, we need your contrarian view points. Please do not lose that..
> ****
>
> > >> ÂÂÂ
> > >> PS. I am old enough to know what happened in Eastlands…J
> > >> ÂÂÂ
> > >> ÂÂÂ
> > >>  ****
>
> > >> Ali Hussein|Managing Partner
> > >>
> > >> Telemedia Africa
> > >> Azania Technology Group
> > >> Chaka Court, Argwings Kodhek Road****
>
> > >> P O Box  14556-00100****
>
> > >> +254 773/713 601113
> > >> Nairobi, Kenya****
>
> > >> ÂÂÂ
> > >> ÂÂÂ
> > >> Twitter: @AliHKassim
> > >> Skype: abu-jomo
> > >> ÂÂÂ
> > >>  ****
>
> > >> From:robert yawe [mailto:robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk]
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 10:40 AM
> > >> To: Ali Hussein
> > >> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> > >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?****
>
> > >> ÂÂÂ
> > >> Hussein,
> > >>  ****
>
> > >> Interesting that you bring up Buru Buru where I lived from the age of
> 5
> > >> years, when there where picket fences, kids swings, slides and nanny
> > >> parks, until I left at the age of 18 when there were 7 foot stone
> fences
> > >> with broken glass toppings, churches and bars in the places where I
> once
> > >> swung, metal sheet granny houses and even entire houses demolished and
> ****
>
> > >> replaced with beacon to beacon multi story structures.
> > >>  ****
>
> > >> Living in Buru Buru & going to school in Eastleigh I commuted from 1st
> > >> Avenue, through Juja Road and then down Outer Ring Road watching the
> > >> landscape****
>
> > >  change.  I watched as Huruma went from a lovely middle class
> ****
>
> > >> development to what it is today, Dandora transformed from a well
> thought
> > >> out cluster development to the multi story structures you see today
> and
> > >> then Umoja which well there is nothing to explain it.****
>
> > >>  ****
>
> > >> All this happened right under the nose of a President, UNEP, Habitat,
> > >> City
> > >> Council of Nairobi, AAK, ISK, IEK, UON, Ministry of Housing, Ministry
> of
> > >> Public Health, Ministry of Public Works, Parliament, Kenya Airforce
> and****
>
> > >> many others who could have stopped the carnage. ÂÂÂ
> > >>  ****
>
> > >> Go to the areas around Konza, or just read the classifieds in the
> > >> dailies,
> > >> and watch the subdivision of plots from the initial seven acre parcels
> > >> to****
>
> > >> plots of as small as an eight of an acre (50 x 100).  We are*
> ***
>
> > already
> > >> replicating Nairobi only that now it is being done in reverse,****
>
> > >Â  beginning****
>
> > >> with the surrounding slums and hopefully end with the glassy
> > >> skyscrapers.****
>
> > >> ÂÂÂ
> > >>  ****
>
> > >> The road to Konza shall be literally lined with slums****
>
> > and shanties,****
>
> > >> then
> > >> we shall have proposals to allow helipads, overpasses, windowless high
> > >> speed trains and overhead cable cars to get the investors in and out
> of
> > >> the technopolis without exposing them to the unsightly developments.*
> ***
>
> > >>  ****
>
> > >> Also lets not forget that we have been unable to handle national
> > >> projects
> > >> to date yet we had a central government, come sometime in August 2013
> we
> > >> shall have 47 little governments all with their specific interests and
> > >> agendas, what is the likelihood that Konza will get the support
> required
> > >> to make it work?****
>
> > >>  ****
>
> > >> Imagine Buru Buru happened to an estate that was fully developed, I
> saw
> > >> it
> > >> and you and many might be too young to have****
>
> > >Â  lived through
> > >> the destruction of a brilliant project but I was, so
> maybe****
>
> > you can
> > >> now
> > >> better understand my skepticism when it comes to our ability as a
> nation
> > >> to control the development of a 5,000****
>
> > acre piece of empty
> > >> piece land.
> > >>  ****
>
> > >> I am not a pessimist I am a realist, let the dreamers prove me wrong
> > >> when
> > >> I have history backing my position.****
>
> > >> ÂÂÂ
> > >> Regards
> > >>  ****
>
> > >> Robert Yawe
> > >> KAY System Technologies Ltd
> > >> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
> > >> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
> > >> Kenya
> > >> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
> > >>
> > >> ________________________________
> > >>
> > >> From:Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke>
> > >> To: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
> > >> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, 7 February 2012, 19:02
> > >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?****
>
> > >> ÂÂÂ
> > >> Robert
> > >> ÂÂÂ
> > >> I would like to be more optimistic about Konza. ****
>
> > >>
> > >> What you are describing is a Buruburu type land grab and I'm sure that
> > >> isn't what was intended for Konza.****
>
> > >>  ****
>
> > >> Have some faith my brother... In fact I think Robert there is room for
> > >> speculation... Though I suspect not in the way we are used to... Think
> > >> Speculation 3.0 with a dash of new tech... :)****
>
> > >> ÂÂÂ
> > >>  ****
>
> > >> Ali Hussein
> > >> Managing Partner
> > >> Telemedia Africa
> > >> Azania Technology****
>
> > >  GroupÂÂÂ
> > >> +254 773/713 601113
> > >>  ****
>
> > >> "You generally hear that what a man doesn't know doesn't hurt him, but
> > >> in****
>
> > >> business what a man doesn't know does hurt.". - E. St. Elmo
> Lewis,****
>
> > >> member, Advertising Hall of Fame
> > >>
> > >> On Feb 7, 2012, at 3:14 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
> > >> @Walu,****
>
> > >>> ****
>
> > >>>In short what the AG said was that government land cannot be assigned
> to
> > >>> an individual or entity but must be offered to the general public.**
> **
>
> > >>>  The****
>
> > >>> statement was initially targeted at the Airtel/Postal/IBM deal of the
> > >>> plot opposite Yaya Centre but it spoke volumes as it gave a precedent
> > >>> for
> > >>> the way forward as relates to government land.****
>
> > >>> ****
>
> > >>>Konza is government land and is and will be governed by****
>
> > >Â  the law of the****
>
> > >>> land as relates to such resource, therefore if Microsoft wanted to
> put
> > >>> up
> > >>> a campus in Konza on a 20 acre plot the government would have to
> tender
> > >>> for its sell.****
>
> > >>> ****
>
> > >>>At which point Yawe and Co-speculators Inc. will tender and likely win
> > >>> as****
>
> > >>> we shall play the nationalist, county and tribe card.  We
> will****
>
> > then
> > >>> offer the same land to Microsoft at an inflated price who will reject
> > >>> the
> > >>> offer and opt to locate to the Lakeview Techno City next to RIAT with
> ****
>
> > >>> views from the largest fresh water lake offering water sports.
> ÂÂÂ
> > >>> ****
>
> > >>>My group and I will then subdivide the 20 acres into broty of 50 x 100
> ****
>
> > >>> and sell them to the public to recover our investment.
>  Visit the****
>
> > >>> area
> > >>> around Bamburi and London Distillers in Athi River/Mavoko area for a
> > >>> living and breathing****
>
> > >Â  example of what Konza will look like by the year
> > >>> 2020, it is even more pronounced from GoogleEarth. ÂÂÂ
> > >>> ****
>
> > >>>That was the initial location of the EPZ before it was felt necessary
> to
> > >>> relocate the same 2 kilometres down the road into Rift Valley
> Province.****
>
> > >>>  The architect of that relocation is an aspiring presidential
> ****
>
> > >>> candidate,
> > >>> what stops him from relocating Konza if he wins the election?****
>
> > >>> ****
>
> > >>>Let us not blind ourselves to the reality and return to the Kenya we
> > >>> know, the EPZ continues to struggle many years later, JKIA remains
> with
> > >>> hundreds of empty plots still being held onto by prospective
> investors
> > >>> who where allocated the land over 30 years ago, Baba Dogo is turning
> > >>> into
> > >>> a large residential area and the KIE sheds in Industrial Area have
> > >>> become
> > >>>****
>
> > >Â  stores.
> > >>> ****
>
> > >>>Runda Closeburn will definitely fly, Tatu will limp along for a while
> > >>> but
> > >>> Konza will be a still birth.****
>
> > >>>ÂÂÂ
> > >>> ****
>
> > >>>What is the strategy for Konza and can someone answer these questions
> > >>> for
> > >>> us?
> >****
>
>
> >>>          ÂÂÂ
> ****
>
> > will the land be sold to
> > >>> prospective investors
> > >>> better known as speculators or leased to investors?
> >****
>
>
> >>>          ÂÂÂ
> ****
>
> > will the government
> > >>> allocate the land to
> > >>> prospective investors a.k.a Karurarists?
> >****
>
>
> >>>          ÂÂÂ
> ****
>
> > how long will it take to
> > >>> develop the
> > >>> infrastructure noting that Nairobi still cannot provide sufficient
> > >>> water,
> > >>> sewerage services and****
>
> > >Â  electricity to its residents 200 years down the
> > >>> road?
> >
>
> >>>          ÂÂÂ
> ****
>
> > when the infrastructure is
> > >>> complete and the land
> > >>> allocated how long will it be before the first tenant moves in?
> >****
>
>
> >>>          ÂÂÂ
> ****
>
> > if the first tenant moves
> > >>> in sometime around 2030
> > >>> will the concept still be viable?
> >****
>
>
> >>>          ÂÂÂ
> ****
>
> > is the rest of Africa,
> > >>> Asia, Eastern Europe and
> > >>> the Maldives sleeping?
> >****
>
>
> >>>          ÂÂÂ
> ****
>
> > once Raila becomes
> > >>> President, after beating a
> > >>> joint force of Kalonzo, Uhuru & Ruto, what is the likelihood that he
> > >>> will
> > >>> allow that level of national resources to be****
>
> > >Â  spent in that region instead****
>
> > >>> of relocate the same to for example Nyanza where there is already an
> > >>> International Airport, is closer to Southern Sudan, the residents
> speak
> > >>> fluent english plus has english like names to boot, it is****
>
> > >>> a marginalized county (highest child mortality rate)
> and****
>
> > it gave
> > >>> him
> > >>> their vote as a block?****
>
> > >>> ****
>
> > >>>Until we get a comprehensive report from the various players****
>
> > >>> i.e. treasury, ministry of
> > information, ministry of lands,****
>
> > >>> AG's
> > >>> Chambers, local government, county representatives and the President
> > >>> the****
>
> > >>> project shall remain as dead as a dodo irrespective of how
> many
> > >>> flashy
> > >>> advertisements are run by a sub-entity of
> > a sub-entity of a****
>
> > >>> substantial participant in the project.****
>
> > >>> ****
>
> > >>>Walu, in your case which****
>
> > >Â  ever way it goes nothing affects your setting up****
>
> > >>> a lab, but if I was the University I would look at putting up an
> entire
> > >>> self sufficient campus.****
>
> > >>>ÂÂÂ
> > >>>Regards
> > >>>ÂÂÂ
> > >>>PS.  China government is to build 1000 houses in Kisumu plus
> any****
>
> > >>> other
> > >>> projects that they deem necessary to giving Kisumu the status
> becoming
> > >>> of
> > >>> a City.****
>
> > >>> ****
>
> > >>>Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O
> Box
> > >>> 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
> > >>>
> > >>>________________________________
> > >>>
> > >>>From:Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com>
> > >>>To: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
> > >>>Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy****
>
> > >Â  Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>****
>
> > >>>Sent: Tuesday, 7 February 2012, 11:04
> > >>>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?****
>
> > >>>ÂÂÂ
> > >>>@Yawe,
> > >>>
> > >>>u seem to b on the inside loop on this one.  Konza City,
> > >>> scuttled?  I****
>
> > >>> had advised my boss to book a university lab there and now I might
> need
> > >>> guidance on what next?
> > >>>
> > >>>And thats me as a local stakeholder, what of the international
> > >>> stakeholders - what would they make of your statement?
> > >>>
> > >>>walu.
> > >>>
> > >>>--- On Mon, 2/6/12, robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>From: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
> > >>>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...
> > >>>To: jwalu at yahoo.com
> > >>>Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > >>>Date: Monday, February 6, 2012, 5:25 PM
> > >>>Listers,****
>
> > >>> ****
>
> > >>>Are we seriously having this discussion, please leave certification to
> > >>> institutes of education such as Universities who already issue
> degrees
> > >>> in
> > >>> computer science and the like.****
>
> > >>> ****
>
> > >>>This is just another tax guzzling scheme like the Konza adverts being
> > >>> run****
>
> > >>> on TV yet the AG has already scuttled the project,ÂÂÂ
> > >>>ÂÂÂ
> > >>>We are aware
> > >Â  that all the great software applications developed over the
> > >>> past 3 decades have been done by enthusiasts or as Philip
> Ochieng
> > >>> recently clarified amateurs, a situation that is not about to
> > change
> > >>> any
> > >>> time soon.
> > >>>ÂÂÂ
> > >>>KICT eat in peace.
> > >>>ÂÂÂ
> > >>>Regards
> > >>>ÂÂÂ
> > >>>PS.  Liko lets go look for something more productive to do
> with****
>
> > our
> > >>> time, wachana na mambo ya certification na business****
>
> > plans. ÂÂÂ
> > >>> ****
>
> > >>>Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O
> Box
> > >>> 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
> > >>>
> > >>>________________________________
> > >>>
> > >>>From:Agosta Liko <agostal at gmail.com>
> > >>>To: robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk
> > >>>Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > >>>Sent: Sunday, 5 February 2012, 14:00
> > >>>Subject: [kictanet] Weird Things ...****
>
> > >>> ****
>
> > >>>Samsung launched its 2nd Engineering Academy with a local Educational
> > >>> Institution
> > >>>
> > >>>The ICT Board on the other hand is working with a Foreign Institution
> to
> > >>> launch a Kenyan software development certification
> > >>>
> > >>>:)
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
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> Robert,
>
> I don't think your comments need tolerance or patience.
> I believe it is very healthy and constructive to debate on such pertinent
> issues. It brings out various factors that may not have been considered or
> that
> may still be salvaged. In my view, thinking through your comments should
> light
> up some bulbs.
> Your main query,if I understand you well,is whether our country strategy to
> develop the industry is on the right track.
> I have had many discussions with both local and international industry
> stakeholders and encountered exactly the same comments/queries so I am not
> surprised to hear you raising them.
> I think listers should give their comments,suggestions, opinions on this,
> even
> though it is in progress.
> Many good ideas are likely to spring from this.
>
> Regards,
>
> Gilda Odera****
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