[kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?

[Brian Munyao Longwe]

On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 8:30 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>
> My reason for bringing this up is because I have realised over time that
> as Kenyan's we tend to come up with grandiose plans but we seriously lack
> staying power, except in the marathon.  President Moi reiterated this
> when he said "that the memory of the Kenyan is only 3 weeks long".
> **
>

This is sort of what was said about TEAMs in many quarters - look where we
are now. And also the fact that the "TEAMs Model" has been recognised
worldwide and touted as a great example of PPP aimed at major
infrastructure.

As this discussion wraps up I will share this:

While the optimist, pessimist and realist argued about who should have the
only remaining glass of water and why - the opportunist drank it.

Does the shoe fit?

Best regards,

Brian




> *From:* "bitange at jambo.co.ke" <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
> *To:* robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
> *Cc:* "bitange at jambo.co.ke" <bitange at jambo.co.ke>; 'KICTAnet ICT Policy
> Discussions' <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> *Sent:* Monday, 13 February 2012, 16:57
>
> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?
>
> Robert,
> The African story is very complicated.  I do not know whether we are lazy
> as Hon. Kailemi Mwiria noted in his article in the Standard yesterday or
> we have a third world mentality in first world applications.  This morning
> I was on KISS FM and both presenters wondered a loud how someone can walk
> on one of these new flyovers and hope to avoid an accident.  Are we
> bringing modernity too quickly before our people can adopt urban life?
> Does this knowledge on the gap between modernity and culture stop us from
> doing those things that will take us forward?  How does Africa adopt a Yes
> we can attitude?
>
> I am sure you know that I do not need anybody to bark for me.  I can take
> care of myself.  I am also quite sure that what we want to achieve in
> Konza is within the grasp of our knowldge to sustain it.  Yes on
> occassions I have questioned our resolve to finish ignorance.  We have
> spent more than 40 years fighting the same.  We all have the
> responsibility to ensure that we deal with it as our founding fathers
> envisioned.  In the developed world you sometimes see similar ignorance
> but they do not speak about it as we do.  I found out that we speak
> because some of us are irreversible pesmists.
>
> Have some optimist day.
>
>
> Ndemo.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hi Daktari,
> >
> > Thank you for the frank response to my question but I ask, now that you
> > know what is right why haven't you remedied the situation?
> >
> > I will give you a short story that might better explain why we cannot do
> > what you are proposing as relates to Konza unless we as individuals first
> > change within ourselves.
> >
> > As a technical manager for a IT company many years ago I kept having to
> > inspect equipment for cleanliness as they left the workshop going back to
> > the client as many of times no one took the effort to clean them well a
> > situation that kept pissing me off.
> >
> > While throwing a tantrum about this issue it caught the attention of one
> > of the directors of the firm who called me to his office. Â He said
>
> > something that remains etched in my mind "how do you expect someone who
> > lives in an unclean environment, by your standards, to appreciate your
> > level of cleanliness". Â I solved the problem by implementing a procedure
>
> > on what must be done before any equipment left the premises from the
> > workshop.
> >
> > Daktari, as an individual I believe you share in my faith and must have
> an
> > appreciation to why a journey of a few weeks took 40 years. Â We suffer
> > from institutionalised mediocrity, for example, how does the City
>
> > Council of Nairobi on one hand say they need to reduce vehicular traffic
> > while on the other hand they insist that when building residential houses
> > be it flats or semi detached one must provide the equivalent of 1.5
> > parking spaces per unit.
> >
> > From my response to Mr. Munyao, it is clear that Konza shall take
> > resources away from other areas which would mean the project shall not
> > create development rather it shall reassign development that was intended
> > for other areas, what is better known as a zero sum game.Â
> >
> > Machakos, Wote, Athi River and Kitengela have perennial water problems
>
> > imagine how much worse the situation will get once the new City kicks
> off.
> > Â
>
> >
> > The countries growing demand for energy and water will not stop until
> > after Konza which is the reason why we must incorporate the project into
> > the national strategy and stop trying to built a moated castle - with
> time
> > the citizenry will build a bridge across.
> >
> > Konza is a great dream, but until all those involved get down from their
> > ivory towers that is all it shall remain. Â I have not asked for any
> > remuneration to praise, criticise or make recommendations, instead of
>
> > paying misguided individuals to try and silence my questions and your
> > taking pot shots at my person why not ask the simple question that I
> asked
> > Mr. Munyao - for who does he bark?Â
>
> >
> > Lets have a realistic week.
> > Â
>
> > Regards
> >
> > Robert Yawe
> > KAY System Technologies Ltd
> > Phoenix House, 6th Floor
> > P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
> > Kenya
> >
> >
> > Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >  From: Bitange Ndemo <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
> > To: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
> > Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > Sent: Friday, 10 February 2012, 19:02
> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?
> >
> >
> > Robert,
> > Thank you for the clarification.  When I built my house, the priority was
> > to cover myself against rain and sun shine.  Walls and the grills to
> > protect me from any lateral attack.  Just like my neighbour I knew
> nothing
> > about building codes.  Today I realize if there is a small fire in my
> > house, I will not save myself.
> >
> > Such naivety should not be replicated in public buildings in this day and
> > age.  We must begin to develop global standards buildings.  That is why
> > Konza is not just a new city but an exemplar.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> >
> > Ndemo.
> > Sent from my BlackBerry®
>
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From:  robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
> > Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 06:36:31 +0000 (GMT)
> > To: bitange at jambo.co.ke<bitange at jambo.co.ke>
> > ReplyTo:  robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
> > Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'<kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?
> >
> > Hi Daktri,
> >
> > Your silence was becoming a concern especially with the headline
> yesterday
> > of an impending reshuffle and or reduction of PSs. Â
>
> >
> > Welcome back, I see you thought this post through as it was not done on
> > your portable gadget.
> >
> > I will respond beginning with the last point, I am a great father and
> that
> > is not my inflated ego speaking but the opinion of my neighbours. Â My
>
> > children are the opinion leaders in their peer groups, they dictate the
> > groups direction, they are giving the space to speak their minds, they
> are
> > allowed to defend their positions and have been their own thinkers from
> an
> > early age.
> >
> > So Dr. Ndemo your daughter will be fortunate to have me as a father in
> law
> > and your grand children will have in me a great, insightful and broad
> > minded grand father which are essential to the development of mighty
> > leaders.
> >
> > The cost of rent is going up faster in Kenya than it is in China and you
> > can take that as fact not opinion because I am an active player in the
> > real estate realm. Â Commercial rent in Upper Hill has rising from 40/-
> > per square foot 5 years ago to 120/- today. Â
>
> >
> > The cost of land in Nanyuki 3 years ago was 120,000/- per acre, an area
> > that is less than 5 kilometres from the CBD, today the price is over
> > 600,000/-, I will not even try bringing up the issue of Kisumu as it is
> > literally obscene. We are not competitive at all in as far
> > as infrastructure is concerned so please lets stop deceiving ourselves
>
> > on that front, Tanzania is much cheaper and Southern Sudan is more of a
> > blank canvas.
> >
> > As we look at the issue of land and building note that we still build
> > using methods and standards that where used when Buckingham Palace was
>
> > being built, where the Chinese can build a 500 room hotel in 45 days it
> > would take us 3 years to do the same. Â
>
> >
> > The speed with which they can put up new developments complete with the
> > related infrastructure means that before you finish responding to this
> > post they will have moved 500 kilometres from Shanghai and begun building
> > a new city, complete with an international airport and a high speed rail
> > to Beijing, that will offer rents that are equivalent to one third or
> less
> > of what we shall be able to offer in Konza in 2015 (you see I can be
> > positive). Â The entire City will be ready for occupation before we
> finish
>
> > fencing Konza in 2013.
> >
> > On the man power front, we are busy churning out lawyers and
> > administrators clearly we are barking up the wrong tree. Â How many
>
> > lawyers and business administrators where there in the team that launched
> > Apple, Microsoft (1), Google, Facebook, Oracle, Amazon, MPesa, PesaPal,
> > Virtual City . . . Â I am sure someone is already writing a response to
>
> > this but note that the microsofts and googles of this world only brought
> > in the team of lawyers when they where big enough to get sued.
> >
> > Dr. Ndemo it is shocking that you can actual say on an open forum that
> > Kenya is unsafe and that investors should not come until the fenced City
> > of Konza is ready as it will offer a safe working environment. Â This is
>
> > an indication that you have moved to that exclusive 1% sector of society.
> > Â
>
> >
> > From your statement you are actually supporting and confirming what I
> said
> > in a previous post on this same issue that Konza shall be surrounded by
> > slums as the land around it is being subdivided into 50 ft x 100 ft
> plots.
> > Â
>
> >
> > As an investor I will invest elsewhere for now until Konza becomes a
> > reality at which point I will apply the wise man's principle "only a fool
> > never changes his mind" Â or the political one "in politics there are no
> > permanent friends or foes". Â
> >
> > Even Bill Gates, who initially dismissed the Internet as a passing
>
> > cloud, did not hesitate to turn around and take full advantage of the new
> > opportunity when it became apparent, but he also realised that dealing
> > with IBM however lucrative it seemed on the onset was a marriage best
> > forgotten.Â
>
> >
> > My question to you and the team pushing Konza is , if today it became
> > clear that the project will have no viable economic impact will you be
> man
> > enough to pull the plug?
> >
> > As I indicated above we build castles which require as few entry/exit
> > points as possible, those in the real estate industry have been fighting
> > for the revision of the the building code since 1987 so as to get rid of
> > requirements such as the 45 degree pitched roof requirement which is
> > essential in countries where it snows.
> >
> > The plans for Konza will not be vetted by any new team of experts it will
> > be the same ones who are approving the plans for what we are building
> > today and what will be built tomorrow. Â City Hall Annexe, Nation Centre,
>
> > TelePosta, Nyayo House and many of the high rise buildings in the CBD are
> > fire traps yet they have had their occupation certificates renewed for
> > this year. Â Daktari I ask you,Â
> >
> > - Â does the kitchen in your house have a fire blanket and extinguisher?
> > Â
> > - Â do you have approval for the 7 foot wall around your house?
> > - Â when was the last time you where involved in a fire drill?
> >
> > If not you are in contravention of the council by-laws and are subject
>
> > to a fine and instead of us raising issues that have a direct impact on
> > our survival we are keeping the Council in court over issues of parking
> > metres and mobile toilet effluent discharge charges.Â
>
> >
> > I had the opportunity to see the winning design for the campus tower to
> be
> > developed at the University of Nairobi and it was most wanting. Â The
>
> > intellectual elite at the University still got swayed by pomp and colour
> > like in the case of Konza than function and application of global
> > standards.
> >
> > Strathmore University on the other hand went for the LEED certification
> > right from design stage, please send me the section in the Konza master
> > plan where LEED certification is mentioned as a requirement? Â We both
>
> > listened to the presentation about Hydrabad and the issues that arose
> > relating to its development how they where handled, why is it that you
> > refuse to carry out a SWOT analysis on the Konza project? Â We need to
> > move beyond dreaming towards the reality that is the Kenya we have.Â
>
> >
> > Listers please do not get confused with the presentation you are seeing
> in
> > the media, Konza City is still only a piece of empty land, many of you
> > react to my posts as if I am suggesting that we demolish an existing
> > structure. Â The images on TV are a simulation and are not real.
>
> >
> > We have massive cultural issues, baggage that we shall carry from birth
> to
> > death unless we face our demons and conquer them we shall not make any
> > progress. Â Confucius was Chinese and the Chinese child has grown on the
>
> > tenets of Confucius we have grown up on the tenets of Wangu wa Makere,
> > Oloibon Lenana, Lwanda Magere and Chief Nikango how can we leverage our
> > cultural heritage to improve our modern lives without trying to ape other
> > cultures? Â
>
> >
> > For example, it has been proven that no African dialect as a word that
> > means "maintenance" as we did not need it, we buried you inside your hut
> > and let it waste away while the Maasai . . . .
> >
> > In closing I will respond to my pet issue of my appointment as post
> master
> > general, I will start with a quote from the bible "what good can come out
> > of Nazareth, they said". Â
>
> >
> > PCK is lying flat on its back like an envelop (thanks Ntimama), so I
> agree
> > that if I was already PMG it would be on its knees today on the way to
> > standing up on its own two feet. Â
>
> >
> > Thank you for your confidence, I hope you will act on this as you push at
> > the next board meeting of PCK for my appointment.
> >
> > With that wise crack I clear my cache and exit the loop.
> >
> > Regards
> > Â
> >
> > Robert Yawe
> > KAY System Technologies Ltd
> > Phoenix House, 6th Floor
> > P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
> > Kenya
> >
> >
> > Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >  From: "bitange at jambo.co.ke" <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
> > To: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
> > Cc: bitange at jambo.co.ke; 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'
> > <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > Sent: Thursday, 9 February 2012, 20:39
> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?
> >
> > Robert,
> > Had we hired you as PCK Chief with this kind of pessimism, the
> > organization will be on its knees.  I see no reason for celebrating
> > contradictions of our policy makers.  We have traveled this road before
> > and came through.  You recall the registration of Teams that almost
> > derailed the entire process.
> >
> > Our culture lets us down in every aspect.  We treasure negativity and
> > pray
> > that one falls in every positive step that is made.  When Confucious
>
> > said,
> > " a journey of 1,000 miles starts with one step", he meant that that you
> > should not look at the challenges of covering the 1,000 miles but the
> > opportunities of moving at least one step.  Yes we have seen white
>
> > elephants but that does not mean we don't try.
> >
> > Two of the world's outsourcing companies have been around searching for
> > real
> >  estate to rent.  Two months there is not one building in Nairobi that
> > meets international standards.  Large buildings have only one fire
> escape
>
> > that if there was fire, people will die not from fire but because there
> is
> > no exit.  Just look at any ceiling to check if there are water
>
> > sprinklers.
> > Some fancy buildings have only one toilet in a floor that accomodates
> > more than 300 people.  I could say more..
> >
> > Konza is not in any threat.  This is our future where we shall create
> not
> > only employment but a safe work environment.  I would bet that Robert
>
> > will
> > be among the first to seek opportunities at Konza.
> >
> > In the same paper that Robert extracted the Konza story from there was
> > another story about the rise of rental cost in China.  A clear
>
> > opportunity
> > for us to start offering affordable destination and making it competitive
> > through partnership in capacity development (Read Carnigue
> >  Mellon
> > University Partnership).
> >
> > Honestly as liberal I have said to myself that I will never intervere
> with
> > my daughter's choice of boyfriend but if I find her with Robert's son, I
> > will talk her out of it.  Robert if you continue like this, you will
> make
>
> > a bad father in law.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ndemo.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Konza = public land = freeze by Orengo = national lands commissioner =
> >> spanner in the works
> >>
> >>
> http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/-/539552/1323050/-/56yje2z/-/index.html <http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/-/539552/1323050/-/56yje2z/-/index.htmlÂÂ>
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> ÂÂ
>
> >> Robert Yawe
> >> KAY System Technologies Ltd
> >> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
> >> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
> >> Kenya
> >>
> >>
> >> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >  ________________________________
> >>Â  From: Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke>
>
> >> To: 'robert yawe' <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
> >> Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, 8 February 2012, 11:06
> >> Subject: RE: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?
> >>
> >>
> >> Robert
> >> ÂÂ
> >> I can’t argue with your points…
> >> ÂÂ
>
> >> We need realists. However having said that the suggestion would be to
> >> not
> >> shy aware from such developments but to ensure that mechanisms are put
> >> in
> >> place that we don’t have another Buruburu, Dandora on our hands.
> >>
> >  ÂÂ
> >> Guys, it’s good to be skeptical but its better still to offer
> >> solutions
> >> to avoid such eventualities. That’s why Risk Management will be a
>
> >> critical aspect of such potentially paradigm shifting endeavors.
> >> ÂÂ
>
> >> Robert, we need your contrarian view points. Please do not lose that..
> >> ÂÂ
> >> PS. I am old enough to know what happened in Eastlands…J
> >> ÂÂ
> >> ÂÂ
> >> ÂÂ
>
> >> Ali Hussein|Managing Partner
> >>
> >> Telemedia Africa
> >> Azania Technology Group
> >> Chaka Court, Argwings Kodhek Road
> >> P O Box  14556-00100
>
> >> +254 773/713 601113
> >> Nairobi, Kenya
> >> ÂÂ
> >> ÂÂ
> >> Twitter: @AliHKassim
> >> Skype: abu-jomo
> >> ÂÂ
> >> ÂÂ
>
> >> From:robert yawe [mailto:robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 10:40 AM
> >> To: Ali Hussein
> >> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?
> >> ÂÂ
> >> Hussein,
> >> ÂÂ
>
> >> Interesting that you bring up Buru Buru where I lived from the age of 5
> >> years, when there where picket fences, kids swings, slides and nanny
> >> parks, until I left at the age of 18 when there were 7 foot stone fences
> >> with broken glass toppings, churches and bars in the places where I once
> >> swung, metal sheet granny houses and even entire houses demolished and
> >> replaced with beacon to beacon multi story structures.
> >> ÂÂ
>
> >> Living in Buru Buru & going to school in Eastleigh I commuted from 1st
> >> Avenue, through Juja Road and then down Outer Ring Road watching the
> >> landscape
> >  change.  I watched as Huruma went from a lovely middle class
>
> >> development to what it is today, Dandora transformed from a well thought
> >> out cluster development to the multi story structures you see today and
> >> then Umoja which well there is nothing to explain it.
> >> ÂÂ
>
> >> All this happened right under the nose of a President, UNEP, Habitat,
> >> City
> >> Council of Nairobi, AAK, ISK, IEK, UON, Ministry of Housing, Ministry of
> >> Public Health, Ministry of Public Works, Parliament, Kenya Airforce and
> >> many others who could have stopped the carnage. ÂÂ
> >> ÂÂ
>
> >> Go to the areas around Konza, or just read the classifieds in the
> >> dailies,
> >> and watch the subdivision of plots from the initial seven acre parcels
> >> to
> >> plots of as small as an eight of an acre (50 x 100).  We are already
>
> >> replicating Nairobi only that now it is being done in reverse,
> >  beginning
> >> with the surrounding slums and hopefully end with the glassy
> >> skyscrapers.
> >> ÂÂ
> >> ÂÂ
> >> The road to Konza shall be literally lined with slums and shanties,
>
> >> then
> >> we shall have proposals to allow helipads, overpasses, windowless high
> >> speed trains and overhead cable cars to get the investors in and out of
> >> the technopolis without exposing them to the unsightly developments.
> >> ÂÂ
>
> >> Also lets not forget that we have been unable to handle national
> >> projects
> >> to date yet we had a central government, come sometime in August 2013 we
> >> shall have 47 little governments all with their specific interests and
> >> agendas, what is the likelihood that Konza will get the support required
> >> to make it work?
> >> ÂÂ
>
> >> Imagine Buru Buru happened to an estate that was fully developed, I saw
> >> it
> >> and you and many might be too young to have
> >  lived through
> >> the destruction of a brilliant project but I was, so maybe you can
>
> >> now
> >> better understand my skepticism when it comes to our ability as a nation
> >> to control the development of a 5,000 acre piece of empty
> >> piece land.
> >> ÂÂ
>
> >> I am not a pessimist I am a realist, let the dreamers prove me wrong
> >> when
> >> I have history backing my position.
> >> ÂÂ
> >> Regards
> >> ÂÂ
>
> >> Robert Yawe
> >> KAY System Technologies Ltd
> >> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
> >> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
> >> Kenya
> >> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >>
> >> From:Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke>
> >> To: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
> >> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, 7 February 2012, 19:02
> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?
> >> ÂÂ
> >> Robert
> >> ÂÂ
> >> I would like to be more optimistic about Konza.ÂÂ
>
> >>
> >> What you are describing is a Buruburu type land grab and I'm sure that
> >> isn't what was intended for Konza.
> >> ÂÂ
>
> >> Have some faith my brother... In fact I think Robert there is room for
> >> speculation... Though I suspect not in the way we are used to... Think
> >> Speculation 3.0 with a dash of new tech... :)
> >> ÂÂ
> >> ÂÂ
>
> >> Ali Hussein
> >> Managing Partner
> >> Telemedia Africa
> >> Azania Technology
> >  GroupÂÂ
> >> +254 773/713 601113
> >> ÂÂ
>
> >> "You generally hear that what a man doesn't know doesn't hurt him, but
> >> in
> >> business what a man doesn't know does hurt.". - E. St. Elmo Lewis,
>
> >> member, Advertising Hall of Fame
> >>
> >> On Feb 7, 2012, at 3:14 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >> @Walu,
> >>>ÂÂ
>
> >>>In short what the AG said was that government land cannot be assigned to
> >>> an individual or entity but must be offered to the general public.
> >>>  The
>
> >>> statement was initially targeted at the Airtel/Postal/IBM deal of the
> >>> plot opposite Yaya Centre but it spoke volumes as it gave a precedent
> >>> for
> >>> the way forward as relates to government land.
> >>>ÂÂ
>
> >>>Konza is government land and is and will be governed by
> >  the law of the
> >>> land as relates to such resource, therefore if Microsoft wanted to put
> >>> up
> >>> a campus in Konza on a 20 acre plot the government would have to tender
> >>> for its sell.
> >>>ÂÂ
>
> >>>At which point Yawe and Co-speculators Inc. will tender and likely win
> >>> as
> >>> we shall play the nationalist, county and tribe card.  We will then
>
> >>> offer the same land to Microsoft at an inflated price who will reject
> >>> the
> >>> offer and opt to locate to the Lakeview Techno City next to RIAT with
> >>> views from the largest fresh water lake offering water sports. ÂÂ
> >>>ÂÂ
>
> >>>My group and I will then subdivide the 20 acres into broty of 50 x 100
> >>> and sell them to the public to recover our investment.  Visit the
>
> >>> area
> >>> around Bamburi and London Distillers in Athi River/Mavoko area for a
> >>> living and breathing
> >  example of what Konza will look like by the year
> >>> 2020, it is even more pronounced from GoogleEarth. ÂÂ
> >>>ÂÂ
>
> >>>That was the initial location of the EPZ before it was felt necessary to
> >>> relocate the same 2 kilometres down the road into Rift Valley Province.
> >>>  The architect of that relocation is an aspiring presidential
>
> >>> candidate,
> >>> what stops him from relocating Konza if he wins the election?
> >>>ÂÂ
>
> >>>Let us not blind ourselves to the reality and return to the Kenya we
> >>> know, the EPZ continues to struggle many years later, JKIA remains with
> >>> hundreds of empty plots still being held onto by prospective investors
> >>> who where allocated the land over 30 years ago, Baba Dogo is turning
> >>> into
> >>> a large residential area and the KIE sheds in Industrial Area have
> >>> become
> >>>
> >  stores.
> >>>ÂÂ
>
> >>>Runda Closeburn will definitely fly, Tatu will limp along for a while
> >>> but
> >>> Konza will be a still birth.
> >>>ÂÂ
> >>>ÂÂ
>
> >>>What is the strategy for Konza and can someone answer these questions
> >>> for
> >>> us?
> >>>            will the land be sold to
>
> >>> prospective investors
> >>> better known as speculators or leased to investors?
> >>>            will the government
>
> >>> allocate the land to
> >>> prospective investors a.k.a Karurarists?
> >>>            how long will it take to
>
> >>> develop the
> >>> infrastructure noting that Nairobi still cannot provide sufficient
> >>> water,
> >>> sewerage services and
> >  electricity to its residents 200 years down the
> >>> road?
> >>>            when the infrastructure is
>
> >>> complete and the land
> >>> allocated how long will it be before the first tenant moves in?
> >>>            if the first tenant moves
>
> >>> in sometime around 2030
> >>> will the concept still be viable?
> >>>            is the rest of Africa,
>
> >>> Asia, Eastern Europe and
> >>> the Maldives sleeping?
> >>>            once Raila becomes
>
> >>> President, after beating a
> >>> joint force of Kalonzo, Uhuru & Ruto, what is the likelihood that he
> >>> will
> >>> allow that level of national resources to be
> >  spent in that region instead
> >>> of relocate the same to for example Nyanza where there is already an
> >>> International Airport, is closer to Southern Sudan, the residents speak
> >>> fluent english plus has english like names to boot, it is
> >>> a marginalized county (highest child mortality rate) and it gave
>
> >>> him
> >>> their vote as a block?
> >>>ÂÂ
>
> >>>Until we get a comprehensive report from the various players
> >>> i.e. treasury, ministry of information, ministry of lands,
>
> >>> AG's
> >>> Chambers, local government, county representatives and the President
> >>> the
> >>> project shall remain as dead as a dodo irrespective of how many
> >>> flashy
> >>> advertisements are run by a sub-entity of a sub-entity of a
>
> >>> substantial participant in the project.
> >>>ÂÂ
>
> >>>Walu, in your case which
> >  ever way it goes nothing affects your setting up
> >>> a lab, but if I was the University I would look at putting up an entire
> >>> self sufficient campus.
> >>>ÂÂ
> >>>Regards
> >>>ÂÂ
> >>>PS.  China government is to build 1000 houses in Kisumu plus any
>
> >>> other
> >>> projects that they deem necessary to giving Kisumu the status becoming
> >>> of
> >>> a City.
> >>>ÂÂ
>
> >>>Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box
> >>> 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
> >>>
> >>>________________________________
> >>>
> >>>From:Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com>
> >>>To: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
> >>>Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy
> >  Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> >>>Sent: Tuesday, 7 February 2012, 11:04
> >>>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?
> >>>ÂÂ
> >>>@Yawe,
> >>>
> >>>u seem to b on the inside loop on this one.  Konza City,
> >>> scuttled?  I
>
> >>> had advised my boss to book a university lab there and now I might need
> >>> guidance on what next?
> >>>
> >>>And thats me as a local stakeholder, what of the international
> >>> stakeholders - what would they make of your statement?
> >>>
> >>>walu.
> >>>
> >>>--- On Mon, 2/6/12, robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>From: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
> >>>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...
> >>>To: jwalu at yahoo.com
> >>>Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> >>>Date: Monday, February 6, 2012, 5:25 PM
> >>>Listers,
> >>>ÂÂ
>
> >>>Are we seriously having this discussion, please leave certification to
> >>> institutes of education such as Universities who already issue degrees
> >>> in
> >>> computer science and the like.
> >>>ÂÂ
>
> >>>This is just another tax guzzling scheme like the Konza adverts being
> >>> run
> >>> on TV yet the AG has already scuttled the project,ÂÂ
> >>>ÂÂ
>
> >>>We are aware
> >  that all the great software applications developed over the
> >>> past 3 decades have been done by enthusiasts or as Philip Ochieng
> >>> recently clarified amateurs, a situation that is not about to change
> >>> any
> >>> time soon.
> >>>ÂÂ
> >>>KICT eat in peace.
> >>>ÂÂ
> >>>Regards
> >>>ÂÂ
> >>>PS.  Liko lets go look for something more productive to do with our
> >>> time, wachana na mambo ya certification na business plans. ÂÂ
> >>>ÂÂ
>
> >>>Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box
> >>> 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
> >>>
> >>>________________________________
> >>>
> >>>From:Agosta Liko <agostal at gmail.com>
> >>>To: robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk
> >>>Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> >>>Sent: Sunday, 5 February 2012, 14:00
> >>>Subject: [kictanet] Weird Things ...
> >>>ÂÂ
>
> >>>Samsung launched its 2nd Engineering Academy with a local Educational
> >>> Institution
> >>>
> >>>The ICT Board on the other hand is working with a Foreign Institution to
> >>> launch a Kenyan software development certification
> >>>
> >>>:)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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