<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 8:30 AM, robert yawe <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif"><div style="font-family:'times new roman','new york',times,serif;font-size:12pt"><br></div><div><font size="3">My reason for bringing this up is because I have realised over time that as Kenyan's we tend to come up with�</font>grandiose plans but we seriously lack staying power, except in the marathon. �<font size="3">President Moi reiterated this when he said "that the memory of the Kenyan is only 3 weeks long".</font></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><font face="Arial"><div class="im"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold"></span></b></div></font></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>This is sort of what was said about TEAMs in many quarters - look where we are now. And also the fact that the "TEAMs Model" has been recognised worldwide and touted as a great example of PPP aimed at major infrastructure.</div>
<div><br></div><div>As this discussion wraps up I will share this:</div><div><br></div><div>While the optimist, pessimist and realist argued about who should have the only remaining glass of water and why - the opportunist drank it.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Does the shoe fit?</div><div><br></div><div>Best regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Brian</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'times new roman','new york',times,serif"><div dir="ltr"><font face="Arial"><div class="im"><b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> "<a href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke" target="_blank">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a>" <<a href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke" target="_blank">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> robert yawe <<a href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a>> <br></div><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> "<a href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke" target="_blank">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a>" <<a href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke" target="_blank">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a>>; 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'
<<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> <br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Monday, 13 February 2012, 16:57<div class="im"><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?<br>
</div></font> </div> <br>Robert,<br>The African story is very complicated.� I do not know whether we are lazy<br>as Hon. Kailemi Mwiria noted in his article in the Standard yesterday or<br>we have a third world mentality in first world applications.� This morning<br>
I was on KISS FM and both presenters wondered a loud how someone can walk<br>on one of these new flyovers and hope to avoid an accident.� Are we<br>bringing modernity too quickly before our people can adopt urban life? <br>
Does this knowledge on the gap between modernity and culture stop us from<br>doing those things that will take us forward?� How does Africa adopt a Yes<br>we can attitude?<br><br>I am sure you know that I do not need anybody to
bark for me.� I can take<br>care of myself.� I am also quite sure that what we want to achieve in<br>Konza is within the grasp of our knowldge to sustain it.� Yes on<br>occassions I have questioned our resolve to finish ignorance.� We have<br>
spent more than 40 years fighting the same.� We all have the<br>responsibility to ensure that we deal with it as our founding fathers<br>envisioned.� In the developed world you sometimes see similar ignorance<br>but they do not speak about it as we do.� I found out that we speak<br>
because some of us are irreversible pesmists.<br><br>Have some optimist day.<br><br><br>Ndemo.<div class="im"><br><br><br><br><br><br>> Hi Daktari,<br>><br>> Thank you for the frank response to my question but I ask, now that you<br>
> know what is right why haven't you remedied the situation?<br>><br>> I will give you a short story that might better explain why we cannot do<br>> what you are
proposing as relates to Konza unless we as individuals first<br>> change within ourselves.<br>><br>> As a technical manager for a IT company many years ago I kept having to<br>> inspect equipment for cleanliness as they left the workshop going back to<br>
> the client as many of times no one took the effort to clean them well a<br>> situation that kept pissing me off.<br>><br></div>> While throwing a tantrum about this issue it caught the attention of one<br>> of the directors of the firm who called me to his office. He said<div class="im">
<br>> something that remains etched in my mind "how do you expect someone who<br>> lives in an unclean environment, by your standards, to appreciate your<br></div>> level of cleanliness". I solved the problem by implementing a procedure<div class="im">
<br>> on what must be done before any equipment left the premises from the<br>> workshop.<br>><br>> Daktari, as an individual I believe you
share in my faith and must have an<br></div>> appreciation to why a journey of a few weeks took 40 years. We suffer<br>> from institutionalised mediocrity, for example, how does the City<div class="im"><br>> Council of Nairobi on one hand say they need to reduce vehicular traffic<br>
> while on the other hand they insist that when building residential houses<br>> be it flats or semi detached one must provide the equivalent of 1.5<br>> parking spaces per unit.<br>><br>> From my response to Mr. Munyao, it is clear that Konza shall take<br>
> resources away from other areas which would mean the project shall not<br>> create development rather it shall reassign development that was intended<br></div>> for other areas, what is better known as a zero sum game. <br>
><br>> Machakos, Wote, Athi River and Kitengela have perennial water problems<div class="im"><br>> imagine how much worse the situation will get once the new
City kicks off.<br></div>> <div class="im"><br>><br>> The countries growing demand for energy and water will not stop until<br>> after Konza which is the reason why we must incorporate the project into<br>
> the national strategy and stop trying to built a moated castle - with time<br>> the citizenry will build a bridge across.<br>><br>> Konza is a great dream, but until all those involved get down from their<br>
</div>> ivory towers that is all it shall remain. I have not asked for any<br>> remuneration to praise, criticise or make recommendations, instead of<div class="im"><br>> paying misguided individuals to try and silence my questions and your<br>
> taking pot shots at my person why not ask the simple question that I asked<br></div>> Mr. Munyao - for who does he bark? <div class="im"><br>><br>> Lets have a realistic week.<br></div>> <div class="im">
<br>> Regards<br>><br>> Robert Yawe<br>> KAY System Technologies Ltd<br>> Phoenix House,
6th Floor<br>> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200<br>> Kenya<br>><br>><br>> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696<br>><br>><br>> ________________________________<br>>� From: Bitange Ndemo <<a href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke" target="_blank">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a>><br>
> To: robert yawe <<a href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a>><br>> Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
> Sent: Friday, 10 February 2012, 19:02<br>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?<br>><br>><br>> Robert,<br>> Thank you for the clarification.� When I built my house, the priority was<br>> to cover myself against rain and sun shine.� Walls and the grills to<br>
> protect me from
any lateral attack.� Just like my neighbour I knew nothing<br>> about building codes.� Today I realize if there is a small fire in my<br>> house, I will not save myself.<br>><br>> Such naivety should not be replicated in public buildings in this day and<br>
> age.� We must begin to develop global standards buildings.� That is why<br>> Konza is not just a new city but an exemplar.<br>><br>> Regards<br>><br>><br>> Ndemo.<br></div>> Sent from my BlackBerry®<div class="im">
<br>> ________________________________<br>><br>> From:� robert yawe <<a href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a>><br>> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 06:36:31 +0000 (GMT)<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke" target="_blank">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a><<a href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke" target="_blank">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a>><br>> ReplyTo:� robert yawe <<a href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a>><br>
> Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'<<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?<br>><br>
> Hi Daktri,<br>><br>> Your silence was becoming a concern especially with the headline yesterday<br></div>> of an impending reshuffle and or reduction of PSs. <div class="im"><br>><br>> Welcome back, I see you thought this post through as it was not done on<br>
> your portable gadget.<br>><br>> I will respond beginning with the last point, I am a great father and that<br></div>> is not my inflated ego speaking but the opinion of my neighbours. My<div class="im"><br>
> children are the opinion
leaders in their peer groups, they dictate the<br>> groups direction, they are giving the space to speak their minds, they are<br>> allowed to defend their positions and have been their own thinkers from an<br>> early age.<br>
><br>> So Dr. Ndemo your daughter will be fortunate to have me as a father in law<br>> and your grand children will have in me a great, insightful and broad<br>> minded grand father which are essential to the development of mighty<br>
> leaders.<br>><br>> The cost of rent is going up faster in Kenya than it is in China and you<br>> can take that as fact not opinion because I am an active player in the<br></div>> real estate realm. Commercial rent in Upper Hill has rising from 40/-<br>
> per square foot 5 years ago to 120/- today. <div class="im"><br>><br>> The cost of land in Nanyuki 3 years ago was 120,000/- per acre, an area<br>> that is less than 5 kilometres from the CBD, today the price
is over<br>> 600,000/-, I will not even try bringing up the issue of Kisumu as it is<br>> literally obscene. We are not competitive at all in as far<br></div>> as infrastructure is concerned so please lets stop deceiving ourselves<div class="im">
<br>> on that front, Tanzania is much cheaper and Southern Sudan is more of a<br>> blank canvas.<br>><br>> As we look at the issue of land and building note that we still build<br></div>> using methods and standards that where used when Buckingham Palace was<div class="im">
<br>> being built, where the Chinese can build a 500 room hotel in 45 days it<br></div>> would take us 3 years to do the same. <div class="im"><br>><br>> The speed with which they can put up new developments complete with the<br>
> related infrastructure means that before you finish responding to this<br>> post they will have moved 500 kilometres from Shanghai and begun building<br>> a new city, complete with an international
airport and a high speed rail<br>> to Beijing, that will offer rents that are equivalent to one third or less<br>> of what we shall be able to offer in Konza in 2015 (you see I can be<br></div>> positive). The entire City will be ready for occupation before we finish<div class="im">
<br>> fencing Konza in 2013.<br>><br>> On the man power front, we are busy churning out lawyers and<br></div>> administrators clearly we are barking up the wrong tree. How many<div class="im"><br>> lawyers and business administrators where there in the team that launched<br>
> Apple, Microsoft (1), Google, Facebook, Oracle, Amazon, MPesa, PesaPal,<br></div>> Virtual City . . . I am sure someone is already writing a response to<div class="im"><br>> this but note that the microsofts and googles of this world only brought<br>
> in the team of lawyers when they where big enough to get sued.<br>><br>> Dr. Ndemo it is shocking that you can actual say on an open forum that<br>>
Kenya is unsafe and that investors should not come until the fenced City<br></div>> of Konza is ready as it will offer a safe working environment. This is<div class="im"><br>> an indication that you have moved to that exclusive 1% sector of society.<br>
</div>> <div class="im"><br>><br>> From your statement you are actually supporting and confirming what I said<br>> in a previous post on this same issue that Konza shall be surrounded by<br>> slums as the land around it is being subdivided into 50 ft x 100 ft plots.<br>
</div>> <div class="im"><br>><br>> As an investor I will invest elsewhere for now until Konza becomes a<br>> reality at which point I will apply the wise man's principle "only a fool<br></div>> never changes his mind" or the political one "in politics there are no<br>
> permanent friends or foes". <br>><br>> Even Bill Gates, who initially dismissed the Internet as a passing<div class="im"><br>> cloud, did not hesitate to turn
around and take full advantage of the new<br>> opportunity when it became apparent, but he also realised that dealing<br>> with IBM however lucrative it seemed on the onset was a marriage best<br></div>> forgotten. <div class="im">
<br>><br>> My question to you and the team pushing Konza is , if today it became<br>> clear that the project will have no viable economic impact will you be man<br>> enough to pull the plug?<br>><br>> As I indicated above we build castles which require as few entry/exit<br>
> points as possible, those in the real estate industry have been fighting<br>> for the revision of the the building code since 1987 so as to get rid of<br>> requirements such as the 45 degree pitched roof requirement which is<br>
> essential in countries where it snows.<br>><br>> The plans for Konza will not be vetted by any new team of experts it will<br>> be the same ones who are approving the plans for what we are
building<br></div>> today and what will be built tomorrow. City Hall Annexe, Nation Centre,<div class="im"><br>> TelePosta, Nyayo House and many of the high rise buildings in the CBD are<br>> fire traps yet they have had their occupation certificates renewed for<br>
</div>> this year. Daktari I ask you, <br>><br>> - does the kitchen in your house have a fire blanket and extinguisher?<br>> <br>> - do you have approval for the 7 foot wall around your house?<br>> - when was the last time you where involved in a fire drill?<br>
><br>> If not you are in contravention of the council by-laws and are subject<div class="im"><br>> to a fine and instead of us raising issues that have a direct impact on<br>> our survival we are keeping the Council in court over issues of parking<br>
</div>> metres and mobile toilet effluent discharge charges. <div class="im"><br>><br>> I had the opportunity to see the winning
design for the campus tower to be<br></div>> developed at the University of Nairobi and it was most wanting. The<div class="im"><br>> intellectual elite at the University still got swayed by pomp and colour<br>> like in the case of Konza than function and application of global<br>
> standards.<br>><br>> Strathmore University on the other hand went for the LEED certification<br>> right from design stage, please send me the section in the Konza master<br></div>> plan where LEED certification is mentioned as a requirement? We both<div class="im">
<br>> listened to the presentation about Hydrabad and the issues that arose<br>> relating to its development how they where handled, why is it that you<br></div>> refuse to carry out a SWOT analysis on the Konza project? We need to<br>
> move beyond dreaming towards the reality that is the Kenya we have. <div class="im"><br>><br>> Listers please do not get confused with the presentation you are seeing
in<br>> the media, Konza City is still only a piece of empty land, many of you<br>> react to my posts as if I am suggesting that we demolish an existing<br></div>> structure. The images on TV are a simulation and are not real.<div class="im">
<br>><br>> We have massive cultural issues, baggage that we shall carry from birth to<br></div>> death unless we face our demons and conquer them we shall not make any<br>> progress. Confucius was Chinese and the Chinese child has grown on the<div class="im">
<br>> tenets of Confucius we have grown up on the tenets of Wangu wa Makere,<br>> Oloibon Lenana, Lwanda Magere and Chief Nikango how can we leverage our<br>> cultural heritage to improve our modern lives without trying to ape other<br>
</div>> cultures? <div class="im"><br>><br>> For example, it has been proven that no African dialect as a word that<br>> means "maintenance" as we did not need it, we buried you inside your hut<br>
> and let it
waste away while the Maasai . . . .<br>><br>> In closing I will respond to my pet issue of my appointment as post master<br>> general, I will start with a quote from the bible "what good can come out<br></div>
> of Nazareth, they said". <div class="im"><br>><br>> PCK is lying flat on its back like an envelop (thanks Ntimama), so I agree<br>> that if I was already PMG it would be on its knees today on the way to<br>
</div>> standing up on its own two feet. <div class="im"><br>><br>> Thank you for your confidence, I hope you will act on this as you push at<br>> the next board meeting of PCK for my appointment.<br>><br>
> With that wise crack I clear my cache and exit the loop.<br>><br>> Regards<br></div><div class="im">> <br>><br>> Robert Yawe<br>> KAY System Technologies Ltd<br>> Phoenix House, 6th Floor<br>> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200<br>
> Kenya<br>><br>><br>> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696<br>><br>><br>>
________________________________<br></div><div class="im">>� From: "<a href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke" target="_blank">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a>" <<a href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke" target="_blank">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a>><br>
> To: robert yawe <<a href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a>><br>> Cc: <a href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke" target="_blank">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a>; 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'<br>
> <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>> Sent: Thursday, 9 February 2012, 20:39<br>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?<br>><br>
> Robert,<br>> Had we hired you as PCK Chief with this kind of pessimism, the<br></div>> organization will be on its knees. I see no reason for
celebrating<br>> contradictions of our policy makers. We have traveled this road before<br>> and came through. You recall the registration of Teams that almost<br>> derailed the entire process.<br>><br>> Our culture lets us down in every aspect. We treasure negativity and<br>
> pray<br>> that one falls in every positive step that is made. When Confucious<div class="im"><br>> said,<br>> " a journey of 1,000 miles starts with one step", he meant that that you<br>> should not look at the challenges of covering the 1,000 miles but the<br>
</div>> opportunities of moving at least one step. Yes we have seen white<div class="im"><br>> elephants but that does not mean we don't try.<br>><br>> Two of the world's outsourcing companies have been around searching for<br>
> real<br></div>>� estate to rent. Two months there is not one building in Nairobi that<br>> meets international standards. Large
buildings have only one fire escape<div class="im"><br>> that if there was fire, people will die not from fire but because there is<br></div>> no exit. Just look at any ceiling to check if there are water<div class="im">
<br>> sprinklers.<br>> Some fancy buildings have only one toilet in a floor that accomodates<br></div>> more than 300 people. I could say more..<br>><br>> Konza is not in any threat. This is our future where we shall create not<br>
> only employment but a safe work environment. I would bet that Robert<div class="im"><br>> will<br>> be among the first to seek opportunities at Konza.<br>><br>> In the same paper that Robert extracted the Konza story from there was<br>
</div>> another story about the rise of rental cost in China. A clear<div class="im"><br>> opportunity<br>> for us to start offering affordable destination and making it competitive<br>> through partnership in capacity development (Read Carnigue<br>
>�
Mellon<br>> University Partnership).<br>><br>> Honestly as liberal I have said to myself that I will never intervere with<br>> my daughter's choice of boyfriend but if I find her with Robert's son, I<br>
</div>> will talk her out of it. Robert if you continue like this, you will make<div class="im"><br>> a bad father in law.<br>><br>><br>><br>> Ndemo.<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>>> Hi,<br>
>><br>>> Konza = public land = freeze by Orengo = national lands commissioner =<br>>> spanner in the works<br>>><br></div>>> <a href="http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/-/539552/1323050/-/56yje2z/-/index.html�" target="_blank">http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/-/539552/1323050/-/56yje2z/-/index.html </a><br>
>><br>>><br>>> Regards<br>>> Â <div class="im"><br>>> Robert Yawe<br>>> KAY System Technologies Ltd<br>>> Phoenix House, 6th Floor<br>>> P O
Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200<br>>> Kenya<br>>><br>>><br>>> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>� ________________________________<br></div>>> From: Ali Hussein <<a href="mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke" target="_blank">ali@hussein.me.ke</a>><div class="im">
<br>>> To: 'robert yawe' <<a href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a>><br>>> Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
>> Sent: Wednesday, 8 February 2012, 11:06<br>>> Subject: RE: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?<br>>><br>>><br>>> Robert<br></div>>>  <br>>> I can’t argue with your points…<br>
>> Â <div class="im"><br>>> We
need realists. However having said that the suggestion would be to<br>>> not<br>>> shy aware from such developments but to ensure that mechanisms are put<br>>> in<br></div>>> place that we don’t have another Buruburu, Dandora on our hands.<br>
>><br>>�  <br>>> Guys, it’s good to be skeptical but its better still to offer<br>>> solutions<br>>> to avoid such eventualities. That’s why Risk Management will be a<div class="im">
<br>>> critical aspect of such potentially paradigm shifting endeavors.<br></div>>> Â <div class="im"><br>>> Robert, we need your contrarian view points. Please do not lose that..<br></div>>> Â <br>
>> PS. I am old enough to know what happened in Eastlands…J<br>>>  <br>>>  <br>>>  <div class="im"><br>>> Ali Hussein|Managing Partner<br>>><br>>>
Telemedia Africa<br>>> Azania Technology Group<br>>> Chaka Court, Argwings Kodhek Road<br></div>>> P O Box 14556-00100<div class="im"><br>>> +254 773/713 601113<br>>> Nairobi, Kenya<br>
</div>>> Â <br>>> Â <br>>> Twitter: @AliHKassim<br>>> Skype: abu-jomo<br>>> Â <br>>> Â <div class="im"><br>>> From:robert yawe [mailto:<a href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a>]<br>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 10:40 AM<br>>> To: Ali Hussein<br>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<br>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?<br></div>>> Â <br>>> Hussein,<br>
>> Â <div class="im"><br>>> Interesting that you bring up Buru Buru where I lived from the age of 5<br>>> years, when there where picket fences, kids swings, slides and nanny<br>>> parks,
until I left at the age of 18 when there were 7 foot stone fences<br>>> with broken glass toppings, churches and bars in the places where I once<br>>> swung, metal sheet granny houses and even entire houses demolished and<br>
</div>>> replaced with beacon to beacon multi story structures.<br>>>  <div class="im"><br>>> Living in Buru Buru & going to school in Eastleigh I commuted from 1st<br>>> Avenue, through Juja Road and then down Outer Ring Road watching the<br>
>> landscape<br></div>>� change. Â I watched as Huruma went from a lovely middle class<div class="im"><br>>> development to what it is today, Dandora transformed from a well thought<br>>> out cluster development to the multi story structures you see today and<br>
>> then Umoja which well there is nothing to explain it.<br></div>>> Â <div class="im"><br>>> All this happened right under the nose of a President, UNEP,
Habitat,<br>>> City<br>>> Council of Nairobi, AAK, ISK, IEK, UON, Ministry of Housing, Ministry of<br>>> Public Health, Ministry of Public Works, Parliament, Kenya Airforce and<br></div>>> many others who could have stopped the carnage. Â <br>
>> Â <div class="im"><br>>> Go to the areas around Konza, or just read the classifieds in the<br>>> dailies,<br>>> and watch the subdivision of plots from the initial seven acre parcels<br>>> to<br>
</div>>> plots of as small as an eight of an acre (50 x 100). Â We are already<div class="im"><br>>> replicating Nairobi only that now it is being done in reverse,<br>>� beginning<br>>> with the surrounding slums and hopefully end with the glassy<br>
>> skyscrapers.<br></div>>>  <br>>>  <br>>> The road to Konza shall be literally lined with slums and shanties,<div class="im"><br>>> then<br>>> we shall
have proposals to allow helipads, overpasses, windowless high<br>>> speed trains and overhead cable cars to get the investors in and out of<br>>> the technopolis without exposing them to the unsightly developments.<br>
</div>>> Â <div class="im"><br>>> Also lets not forget that we have been unable to handle national<br>>> projects<br>>> to date yet we had a central government, come sometime in August 2013 we<br>
>> shall have 47 little governments all with their specific interests and<br>>> agendas, what is the likelihood that Konza will get the support required<br>>> to make it work?<br></div>>> Â <div class="im">
<br>>> Imagine Buru Buru happened to an estate that was fully developed, I saw<br>>> it<br>>> and you and many might be too young to have<br>>� lived through<br></div>>> the destruction of a brilliant project but I was, so maybe you can<div class="im">
<br>>>
now<br>>> better understand my skepticism when it comes to our ability as a nation<br></div>>> to control the development of a 5,000 acre piece of empty<br>>> piece land.<br>>>  <div class="im">
<br>>> I am not a pessimist I am a realist, let the dreamers prove me wrong<br>>> when<br>>> I have history backing my position.<br></div>>> Â <br>>> Regards<br>>> Â <div class="im">
<br>>> Robert Yawe<br>>> KAY System Technologies Ltd<br>>> Phoenix House, 6th Floor<br>>> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200<br>>> Kenya<br>>> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696<br>>><br>
>> ________________________________<br>>><br>>> From:Ali Hussein <<a href="mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke" target="_blank">ali@hussein.me.ke</a>><br>>> To: robert yawe <<a href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a>><br>
>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>>> Sent: Tuesday, 7 February 2012, 19:02<br>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?<br>
</div>>>  <br>>> Robert<br>>>  <br>>> I would like to be more optimistic about Konza. <div class="im"><br>>><br>>> What you are describing is a Buruburu type land grab and I'm sure that<br>
>> isn't what was intended for Konza.<br></div>>> Â <div class="im"><br>>> Have some faith my brother... In fact I think Robert there is room for<br>>> speculation... Though I suspect not in the way we are used to... Think<br>
>> Speculation 3.0 with a dash of new tech... :)<br></div>>> Â <br>>> Â <div class="im"><br>>>
Ali Hussein<br>>> Managing Partner<br>>> Telemedia Africa<br>>> Azania Technology<br></div>>� Group <br>>> +254 773/713 601113<br>>>  <div class="im"><br>>> "You generally hear that what a man doesn't know doesn't hurt him, but<br>
>> in<br></div>>> business what a man doesn't know does hurt.". - E. St. Elmo Lewis,<div class="im"><br>>> member, Advertising Hall of Fame<br>>><br>>> On Feb 7, 2012, at 3:14 PM, robert yawe <<a href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br>
>> @Walu,<br></div>>>>Â <div class="im"><br>>>>In short what the AG said was that government land cannot be assigned to<br>>>> an individual or entity but must be offered to the general public.<br>
</div>>>> Â The<div class="im"><br>>>> statement was initially targeted at the Airtel/Postal/IBM deal of the<br>>>>
plot opposite Yaya Centre but it spoke volumes as it gave a precedent<br>>>> for<br>>>> the way forward as relates to government land.<br></div>>>>Â <div class="im"><br>>>>Konza is government land and is and will be governed by<br>
>� the law of the<br>>>> land as relates to such resource, therefore if Microsoft wanted to put<br>>>> up<br>>>> a campus in Konza on a 20 acre plot the government would have to tender<br>>>> for its sell.<br>
</div>>>>Â <div class="im"><br>>>>At which point Yawe and Co-speculators Inc. will tender and likely win<br>>>> as<br></div>>>> we shall play the nationalist, county and tribe card. Â We will then<div class="im">
<br>>>> offer the same land to Microsoft at an inflated price who will reject<br>>>> the<br>>>> offer and opt to locate to the Lakeview Techno City next to RIAT with<br></div>>>> views from the largest
fresh water lake offering water sports. Â <br>>>>Â <div class="im"><br>>>>My group and I will then subdivide the 20 acres into broty of 50 x 100<br></div>>>> and sell them to the public to recover our investment. Â Visit the<div class="im">
<br>>>> area<br>>>> around Bamburi and London Distillers in Athi River/Mavoko area for a<br>>>> living and breathing<br>>� example of what Konza will look like by the year<br></div>>>> 2020, it is even more pronounced from GoogleEarth. Â <br>
>>>Â <div class="im"><br>>>>That was the initial location of the EPZ before it was felt necessary to<br>>>> relocate the same 2 kilometres down the road into Rift Valley Province.<br></div>>>> Â The architect of that relocation is an aspiring presidential<div class="im">
<br>>>> candidate,<br>>>> what stops him from relocating Konza if he wins the
election?<br></div>>>>Â <div class="im"><br>>>>Let us not blind ourselves to the reality and return to the Kenya we<br>>>> know, the EPZ continues to struggle many years later, JKIA remains with<br>
>>> hundreds of empty plots still being held onto by prospective investors<br>>>> who where allocated the land over 30 years ago, Baba Dogo is turning<br>>>> into<br>>>> a large residential area and the KIE sheds in Industrial Area have<br>
>>> become<br>>>><br>>� stores.<br></div>>>>Â <div class="im"><br>>>>Runda Closeburn will definitely fly, Tatu will limp along for a while<br>>>> but<br>>>> Konza will be a still birth.<br>
</div>>>>Â <br>>>>Â <div class="im"><br>>>>What is the strategy for Konza and can someone answer these questions<br>>>> for<br>>>>
us?<br></div>>>>Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â will the land be sold to<div class="im"><br>>>> prospective investors<br>>>> better known as speculators or leased to investors?<br>
</div>>>>Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â will the government<div class="im"><br>>>> allocate the land to<br>>>> prospective investors a.k.a Karurarists?<br></div>>>>Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â how long will it take to<div class="im">
<br>>>> develop the<br>>>> infrastructure noting that Nairobi still cannot provide sufficient<br>>>> water,<br>>>> sewerage services and<br>>� electricity to its residents
200 years down the<br>>>> road?<br></div>>>>Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â when the infrastructure is<div class="im"><br>>>> complete and the land<br>>>> allocated how long will it be before the first tenant moves in?<br>
</div>>>>Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â if the first tenant moves<div class="im"><br>>>> in sometime around 2030<br>>>> will the concept still be viable?<br></div>>>>Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â is the rest of Africa,<div class="im">
<br>>>> Asia, Eastern Europe and<br>>>> the Maldives
sleeping?<br></div>>>>Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â once Raila becomes<div class="im"><br>>>> President, after beating a<br>>>> joint force of Kalonzo, Uhuru & Ruto, what is the likelihood that he<br>
>>> will<br>>>> allow that level of national resources to be<br>>� spent in that region instead<br>>>> of relocate the same to for example Nyanza where there is already an<br>>>> International Airport, is closer to Southern Sudan, the residents speak<br>
>>> fluent english plus has english like names to boot, it is<br></div>>>> a marginalized county (highest child mortality rate) and it gave<div class="im"><br>>>> him<br>>>> their vote as a block?<br>
</div>>>>Â <div class="im"><br>>>>Until we get a comprehensive report from the various
players<br></div>>>> i.e. treasury, ministry of information, ministry of lands,<div class="im"><br>>>> AG's<br>>>> Chambers, local government, county representatives and the President<br>
>>> the<br></div>>>> project shall remain as dead as a dodo irrespective of how many<br>>>> flashy<br>>>> advertisements are run by a sub-entity of a sub-entity of a<div class="im">
<br>>>> substantial participant in the project.<br></div>>>>Â <div class="im"><br>>>>Walu, in your case which<br>>� ever way it goes nothing affects your setting up<br>>>> a lab, but if I was the University I would look at putting up an entire<br>
>>> self sufficient campus.<br></div>>>>Â <br>>>>Regards<br>>>>Â <br>>>>PS. Â China government is to build 1000 houses in Kisumu
plus any<div class="im"><br>>>> other<br>>>> projects that they deem necessary to giving Kisumu the status becoming<br>>>> of<br>>>> a City.<br></div>>>>Â <div class="im"><br>
>>>Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box<br>>>> 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696<br>>>><br>>>>________________________________<br>
>>><br>>>>From:Walubengo J <<a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jwalu@yahoo.com</a>><br>>>>To: robert yawe <<a href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a>><br>
>>>Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy<br>>� Discussions <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>>>>Sent: Tuesday, 7 February 2012,
11:04<br>>>>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?<br></div>>>> <br>>>>@Yawe,<br>>>><br>>>>u seem to b on the inside loop on this one. Konza City,<br>>>> scuttled? I<div class="im">
<br>>>> had advised my boss to book a university lab there and now I might need<br>>>> guidance on what next?<br>>>><br>>>>And thats me as a local stakeholder, what of the international<br>
>>> stakeholders - what would they make of your statement?<br>>>><br>>>>walu.<br>>>><br>>>>--- On Mon, 2/6/12, robert yawe <<a href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>>>>From: robert yawe <<a href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a>><br>>>>Subject:
Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...<br>>>>To: <a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jwalu@yahoo.com</a><br>>>>Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
>>>Date: Monday, February 6, 2012, 5:25 PM<br>>>>Listers,<br></div>>>>Â <div class="im"><br>>>>Are we seriously having this discussion, please leave certification to<br>>>> institutes of education such as Universities who already issue degrees<br>
>>> in<br>>>> computer science and the like.<br></div>>>> <div class="im"><br>>>>This is just another tax guzzling scheme like the Konza adverts being<br>>>> run<br></div>>>> on TV yet the AG has already scuttled the project, <br>
>>>Â <div class="im"><br>>>>We are aware<br>>� that all
the great software applications developed over the<br></div>>>> past 3 decades have been done by enthusiasts or as Philip Ochieng<br>>>> recently clarified amateurs, a situation that is not about to change<br>
>>> any<br>>>> time soon.<br>>>>Â <br>>>>KICT eat in peace.<br>>>>Â <br>>>>Regards<br>>>>Â <br>>>>PS. Â Liko lets go look for something more productive to do with our<br>
>>> time, wachana na mambo ya certification na business plans.  <br>>>> <div class="im"><br>>>>Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box<br>>>> 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696<br>
>>><br>>>>________________________________<br>>>><br>>>>From:Agosta Liko <<a href="mailto:agostal@gmail.com" target="_blank">agostal@gmail.com</a>><br>>>>To: <a href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a><br>
>>>Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>>>>Sent: Sunday, 5 February 2012, 14:00<br>>>>Subject: [kictanet] Weird Things ...<br>
</div>>>>Â <div><div class="h5"><br>>>>Samsung launched its 2nd Engineering Academy with a local Educational<br>>>> Institution<br>>>><br>>>>The ICT Board on the other hand is working with a Foreign Institution to<br>
>>> launch a Kenyan software development
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