[kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?

[lordmwesh]

This thread has very wise discourse. Robert, even after dissing
lawyers, you would make a very good one, and its never too late.

On 10/02/2012, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo at gmail.com> wrote:
> I can't help but like this response from Bobby.
>
> I too can't help but hate the very negative, and perhaps the very first,
> comment by Dr. Ndemo on Bobby's quest for appointment to the PCK.
>
> As Murigi Muraya posits, Robert has brought up pertinent issues that need
> to and will be addressed.
>
> I find it odd that almost all the responses to Bobby (sorry, that is what
> I've always referred to Robert Yawe as) are meant to refute the "pertinent
> issues", rather than clear the air by laying down the facts "as they are"
> in the books of those in the "true know" - the people behind the Konza City
> project.
>
> Personally, I'd love to see the Bobby given a copy of the actual Master
> Plan for the Konza city and let him run his analysis against it. He can
> then go on punching holes into it while it's defenders try and seal the
> same loopholes.
>
> It's better to have an objective debate on this Konza city and so far, I've
> found Bobby being more objective, even without the benefit of access to the
> absence of the Konza Master Plan. He's standing on a much firmer ground,
> IMHO, than his detractors in this debate.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 09:36, robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Hi Daktri,
>>
>> Your silence was becoming a concern especially with the headline yesterday
>> of an impending reshuffle and or reduction of PSs.
>>
>> Welcome back, I see you thought this post through as it was not done on
>> your portable gadget.
>>
>> I will respond beginning with the last point, I am a great father and that
>> is not my inflated ego speaking but the opinion of my neighbours.  My
>> children are the opinion leaders in their peer groups, they dictate the
>> groups direction, they are giving the space to speak their minds, they are
>> allowed to defend their positions and have been their own thinkers from an
>> early age.
>>
>> So Dr. Ndemo your daughter will be fortunate to have me as a father in law
>> and your grand children will have in me a great, insightful and broad
>> minded grand father which are essential to the development of mighty
>> leaders.
>>
>> The cost of rent is going up faster in Kenya than it is in China and you
>> can take that as fact not opinion because I am an active player in the
>> real
>> estate realm.  Commercial rent in Upper Hill has rising from 40/- per
>> square foot 5 years ago to 120/- today.
>>
>> The cost of land in Nanyuki 3 years ago was 120,000/- per acre, an area
>> that is less than 5 kilometres from the CBD, today the price is over
>> 600,000/-, I will not even try bringing up the issue of Kisumu as it is
>> literally obscene. We are not competitive at all in as far as
>> infrastructure is concerned so please lets stop deceiving ourselves on
>> that front, Tanzania is much cheaper and Southern Sudan is more of a blank
>> canvas.
>>
>> As we look at the issue of land and building note that we still build
>> using methods and standards that where used when Buckingham Palace was
>> being built, where the Chinese can build a 500 room hotel in 45 days it
>> would take us 3 years to do the same.
>>
>> The speed with which they can put up new developments complete with the
>> related infrastructure means that before you finish responding to this
>> post
>> they will have moved 500 kilometres from Shanghai and begun building a new
>> city, complete with an international airport and a high speed rail to
>> Beijing, that will offer rents that are equivalent to one third or less of
>> what we shall be able to offer in Konza in 2015 (you see I can be
>> positive).  The entire City will be ready for occupation before we finish
>> fencing Konza in 2013.
>>
>> On the man power front, we are busy churning out lawyers and
>> administrators clearly we are barking up the wrong tree.  How many lawyers
>> and business administrators where there in the team that launched Apple,
>> Microsoft (1), Google, Facebook, Oracle, Amazon, MPesa, PesaPal, Virtual
>> City . . .  I am sure someone is already writing a response to this but
>> note that the microsofts and googles of this world only brought in the
>> team
>> of lawyers when they where big enough to get sued.
>>
>> Dr. Ndemo it is shocking that you can actual say on an open forum that
>> Kenya is unsafe and that investors should not come until the fenced City
>> of
>> Konza is ready as it will offer a safe working environment.  This is an
>> indication that you have moved to that exclusive 1% sector of society.
>>
>> From your statement you are actually supporting and confirming what I said
>> in a previous post on this same issue that Konza shall be surrounded by
>> slums as the land around it is being subdivided into 50 ft x 100 ft plots.
>>
>> As an investor I will invest elsewhere for now until Konza becomes a
>> reality at which point I will apply the wise man's principle "only a fool
>> never changes his mind"  or the political one "in politics there are no
>> permanent friends or foes".
>>
>> Even Bill Gates, who initially dismissed the Internet as a passing cloud,
>> did not hesitate to turn around and take full advantage of the new
>> opportunity when it became apparent, but he also realised that dealing
>> with
>> IBM however lucrative it seemed on the onset was a marriage best
>> forgotten.
>>
>> My question to you and the team pushing Konza is , if today it became
>> clear that the project will have no viable economic impact will you be man
>> enough to pull the plug?
>>
>> As I indicated above we build castles which require as few entry/exit
>> points as possible, those in the real estate industry have been fighting
>> for the revision of the the building code since 1987 so as to get rid of
>> requirements such as the 45 degree pitched roof requirement which is
>> essential in countries where it snows.
>>
>> The plans for Konza will not be vetted by any new team of experts it will
>> be the same ones who are approving the plans for what we are building
>> today
>> and what will be built tomorrow.  City Hall Annexe, Nation Centre,
>> TelePosta, Nyayo House and many of the high rise buildings in the CBD are
>> fire traps yet they have had their occupation certificates renewed for
>> this
>> year.  Daktari I ask you,
>>
>> -  does the kitchen in your house have a fire blanket and extinguisher?
>> -  do you have approval for the 7 foot wall around your house?
>>  -  when was the last time you where involved in a fire drill?
>>
>> If not you are in contravention of the council by-laws and are subject to
>> a fine and instead of us raising issues that have a direct impact on our
>> survival we are keeping the Council in court over issues of parking metres
>> and mobile toilet effluent discharge charges.
>>
>> I had the opportunity to see the winning design for the campus tower to be
>> developed at the University of Nairobi and it was most wanting.  The
>> intellectual elite at the University still got swayed by pomp and colour
>> like in the case of Konza than function and application of global
>> standards.
>>
>> Strathmore University on the other hand went for the LEED certification
>> right from design stage, please send me the section in the Konza master
>> plan where LEED certification is mentioned as a requirement?  We both
>> listened to the presentation about Hydrabad and the issues that arose
>> relating to its development how they where handled, why is it that you
>> refuse to carry out a SWOT analysis on the Konza project?  We need to move
>> beyond dreaming towards the reality that is the Kenya we have.
>>
>> Listers please do not get confused with the presentation you are seeing in
>> the media, Konza City is still only a piece of empty land, many of you
>> react to my posts as if I am suggesting that we demolish an existing
>> structure.  The images on TV are a simulation and are not real.
>>
>> We have massive cultural issues, baggage that we shall carry from birth to
>> death unless we face our demons and conquer them we shall not make any
>> progress.  Confucius was Chinese and the Chinese child has grown on the
>> tenets of Confucius we have grown up on the tenets of Wangu wa Makere,
>> Oloibon Lenana, Lwanda Magere and Chief Nikango how can we leverage our
>> cultural heritage to improve our modern lives without trying to ape other
>> cultures?
>>
>> For example, it has been proven that no African dialect as a word that
>> means "maintenance" as we did not need it, we buried you inside your hut
>> and let it waste away while the Maasai . . . .
>>
>> In closing I will respond to my pet issue of my appointment as post master
>> general, I will start with a quote from the bible "what good can come out
>> of Nazareth, they said".
>>
>> PCK is lying flat on its back like an envelop (thanks Ntimama), so I agree
>> that if I was already PMG it would be on its knees today on the way to
>> standing up on its own two feet.
>>
>> Thank you for your confidence, I hope you will act on this as you push at
>> the next board meeting of PCK for my appointment.
>>
>> With that wise crack I clear my cache and exit the loop.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Robert Yawe
>> KAY System Technologies Ltd
>> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
>> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
>> Kenya
>>
>> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
>>    ------------------------------
>> *From:* "bitange at jambo.co.ke" <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
>> *To:* robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
>> *Cc:* bitange at jambo.co.ke; 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <
>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, 9 February 2012, 20:39
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?
>>
>> Robert,
>> Had we hired you as PCK Chief with this kind of pessimism, the
>> organization will be on its knees.  I see no reason for celebrating
>> contradictions of our policy makers.  We have traveled this road before
>> and came through.  You recall the registration of Teams that almost
>> derailed the entire process.
>>
>> Our culture lets us down in every aspect.  We treasure negativity and pray
>> that one falls in every positive step that is made.  When Confucious said,
>> " a journey of 1,000 miles starts with one step", he meant that that you
>> should not look at the challenges of covering the 1,000 miles but the
>> opportunities of moving at least one step.  Yes we have seen white
>> elephants but that does not mean we don't try.
>>
>> Two of the world's outsourcing companies have been around searching for
>> real estate to rent.  Two months there is not one building in Nairobi that
>> meets international standards.  Large buildings have only one fire escape
>> that if there was fire, people will die not from fire but because there is
>> no exit.  Just look at any ceiling to check if there are water sprinklers.
>> Some fancy buildings have only one toilet in a floor that accomodates
>> more than 300 people.  I could say more..
>>
>> Konza is not in any threat.  This is our future where we shall create not
>> only employment but a safe work environment.  I would bet that Robert will
>> be among the first to seek opportunities at Konza.
>>
>> In the same paper that Robert extracted the Konza story from there was
>> another story about the rise of rental cost in China.  A clear opportunity
>> for us to start offering affordable destination and making it competitive
>> through partnership in capacity development (Read Carnigue Mellon
>> University Partnership).
>>
>> Honestly as liberal I have said to myself that I will never intervere with
>> my daughter's choice of boyfriend but if I find her with Robert's son, I
>> will talk her out of it.  Robert if you continue like this, you will make
>> a bad father in law.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ndemo.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > Konza = public land = freeze by Orengo = national lands commissioner =
>> > spanner in the works
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/-/539552/1323050/-/56yje2z/-/index.htmlÂ
>> <http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/-/539552/1323050/-/56yje2z/-/index.html%C3%82>
>> >
>> >
>> > Regards
>> > Â
>> > Robert Yawe
>> > KAY System Technologies Ltd
>> > Phoenix House, 6th Floor
>> > P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
>> > Kenya
>> >
>> >
>> > Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> >  From: Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke>
>> > To: 'robert yawe' <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
>> > Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, 8 February 2012, 11:06
>> > Subject: RE: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?
>> >
>> >
>> > Robert
>> > Â
>> > I can’t argue with your points…
>> > Â
>> > We need realists. However having said that the suggestion would be to
>> > not
>> > shy aware from such developments but to ensure that mechanisms are put
>> > in
>> > place that we don’t have another Buruburu, Dandora on our hands.
>> > Â
>> > Guys, it’s good to be skeptical but its better still to offer
>> > solutions
>> > to avoid such eventualities. That’s why Risk Management will be a
>> > critical aspect of such potentially paradigm shifting endeavors.
>> > Â
>> > Robert, we need your contrarian view points. Please do not lose that..
>> > Â
>> > PS. I am old enough to know what happened in Eastlands…J
>> > Â
>> > Â
>> > Â
>> > Ali Hussein|Managing Partner
>> >
>> > Telemedia Africa
>> > Azania Technology Group
>> > Chaka Court, Argwings Kodhek Road
>> > P O Box  14556-00100
>> > +254 773/713 601113
>> > Nairobi, Kenya
>> > Â
>> > Â
>> > Twitter: @AliHKassim
>> > Skype: abu-jomo
>> > Â
>> > Â
>> > From:robert yawe [mailto:robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk]
>> > Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 10:40 AM
>> > To: Ali Hussein
>> > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?
>> > Â
>> > Hussein,
>> > Â
>> > Interesting that you bring up Buru Buru where I lived from the age of 5
>> > years, when there where picket fences, kids swings, slides and nanny
>> > parks, until I left at the age of 18 when there were 7 foot stone fences
>> > with broken glass toppings, churches and bars in the places where I once
>> > swung, metal sheet granny houses and even entire houses demolished and
>> > replaced with beacon to beacon multi story structures.
>> > Â
>> > Living in Buru Buru & going to school in Eastleigh I commuted from 1st
>> > Avenue, through Juja Road and then down Outer Ring Road watching the
>> > landscape change. Â I watched as Huruma went from a lovely middle class
>> > development to what it is today, Dandora transformed from a well thought
>> > out cluster development to the multi story structures you see today and
>> > then Umoja which well there is nothing to explain it.
>> > Â
>> > All this happened right under the nose of a President, UNEP, Habitat,
>> City
>> > Council of Nairobi, AAK, ISK, IEK, UON, Ministry of Housing, Ministry of
>> > Public Health, Ministry of Public Works, Parliament, Kenya Airforce and
>> > many others who could have stopped the carnage. Â
>> > Â
>> > Go to the areas around Konza, or just read the classifieds in the
>> dailies,
>> > and watch the subdivision of plots from the initial seven acre parcels
>> > to
>> > plots of as small as an eight of an acre (50 x 100). Â We are already
>> > replicating Nairobi only that now it is being done in reverse, beginning
>> > with the surrounding slums and hopefully end with the glassy
>> > skyscrapers.
>> > Â
>> > Â
>> > The road to Konza shall be literally lined with slums and shanties,
>> > then
>> > we shall have proposals to allow helipads, overpasses, windowless high
>> > speed trains and overhead cable cars to get the investors in and out of
>> > the technopolis without exposing them to the unsightly developments.
>> > Â
>> > Also lets not forget that we have been unable to handle national
>> > projects
>> > to date yet we had a central government, come sometime in August 2013 we
>> > shall have 47 little governments all with their specific interests and
>> > agendas, what is the likelihood that Konza will get the support required
>> > to make it work?
>> > Â
>> > Imagine Buru Buru happened to an estate that was fully developed, I saw
>> it
>> > and you and many might be too young to have lived through
>> > the destruction of a brilliant project but I was, so maybe you can now
>> > better understand my skepticism when it comes to our ability as a nation
>> > to control the development of a 5,000 acre piece of empty pieceÂ
>> > land.
>> > Â
>> > I am not a pessimist I am a realist, let the dreamers prove me wrong
>> > when
>> > I have history backing my position.
>> > Â
>> > Regards
>> > Â
>> > Robert Yawe
>> > KAY System Technologies Ltd
>> > Phoenix House, 6th Floor
>> > P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
>> > Kenya
>> > Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> >
>> > From:Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke>
>> > To: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
>> > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, 7 February 2012, 19:02
>> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?
>> > Â
>> > Robert
>> > Â
>> > I would like to be more optimistic about Konza.Â
>> >
>> > What you are describing is a Buruburu type land grab and I'm sure that
>> > isn't what was intended for Konza.
>> > Â
>> > Have some faith my brother... In fact I think Robert there is room for
>> > speculation... Though I suspect not in the way we are used to... Think
>> > Speculation 3.0 with a dash of new tech... :)
>> > Â
>> > Â
>> > Ali Hussein
>> > Managing Partner
>> > Telemedia Africa
>> > Azania Technology GroupÂ
>> > +254 773/713 601113
>> > Â
>> > "You generally hear that what a man doesn't know doesn't hurt him, but
>> > in
>> > business what a man doesn't know does hurt.". - E. St. Elmo Lewis,
>> > member, Advertising Hall of Fame
>> >
>> > On Feb 7, 2012, at 3:14 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> > @Walu,
>> >>Â
>> >>In short what the AG said was that government land cannot be assigned to
>> >> an individual or entity but must be offered to the general public. Â
>> >> The
>> >> statement was initially targeted at the Airtel/Postal/IBM deal of the
>> >> plot opposite Yaya Centre but it spoke volumes as it gave a precedent
>> for
>> >> the way forward as relates to government land.
>> >>Â
>> >>Konza is government land and is and will be governed by the law of the
>> >> land as relates to such resource, therefore if Microsoft wanted to put
>> up
>> >> a campus in Konza on a 20 acre plot the government would have to tender
>> >> for its sell.
>> >>Â
>> >>At which point Yawe and Co-speculators Inc. will tender and likely win
>> >> as
>> >> we shall play the nationalist, county and tribe card. Â We will then
>> >> offer the same land to Microsoft at an inflated price who will reject
>> the
>> >> offer and opt to locate to the Lakeview Techno City next to RIAT with
>> >> views from the largest fresh water lake offering water sports. Â
>> >>Â
>> >>My group and I will then subdivide the 20 acres into broty of 50 x 100
>> >> and sell them to the public to recover our investment. Â Visit the area
>> >> around Bamburi and London Distillers in Athi River/Mavoko area for a
>> >> living and breathing example of what Konza will look like by the year
>> >> 2020, it is even more pronounced from GoogleEarth. Â
>> >>Â
>> >>That was the initial location of the EPZ before it was felt necessary to
>> >> relocate the same 2 kilometres down the road into Rift Valley Province.
>> >> Â The architect of that relocation is an aspiring presidential
>> candidate,
>> >> what stops him from relocating Konza if he wins the election?
>> >>Â
>> >>Let us not blind ourselves to the reality and return to the Kenya we
>> >> know, the EPZ continues to struggle many years later, JKIA remains with
>> >> hundreds of empty plots still being held onto by prospective investors
>> >> who where allocated the land over 30 years ago, Baba Dogo is turning
>> into
>> >> a large residential area and the KIE sheds in Industrial Area have
>> become
>> >> stores.
>> >>Â
>> >>Runda Closeburn will definitely fly, Tatu will limp along for a while
>> >> but
>> >> Konza will be a still birth.
>> >>Â
>> >>Â
>> >>What is the strategy for Konza and can someone answer these questions
>> >> for
>> >> us?
>> >>Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  will the land be sold to prospective investors
>> >> better known as speculators or leased to investors?
>> >>Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  will the government allocate the land to
>> >> prospective investors a.k.a Karurarists?
>> >>Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  how long will it take to develop the
>> >> infrastructure noting that Nairobi still cannot provide sufficient
>> water,
>> >> sewerage services and electricity to its residents 200 years down the
>> >> road?
>> >>Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  when the infrastructure is complete and the land
>> >> allocated how long will it be before the first tenant moves in?
>> >>Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  if the first tenant moves in sometime around 2030
>> >> will the concept still be viable?
>> >>Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  is the rest of Africa, Asia, Eastern Europe and
>> >> the Maldives sleeping?
>> >>Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  once Raila becomes President, after beating a
>> >> joint force of Kalonzo, Uhuru & Ruto, what is the likelihood that he
>> will
>> >> allow that level of national resources to be spent in that region
>> instead
>> >> of relocate the same to for example Nyanza where there is already an
>> >> International Airport, is closer to Southern Sudan, the residents speak
>> >> fluent english plus has english like names to boot, it is
>> >> a marginalized county (highest child mortality rate) and it gave him
>> >> their vote as a block?
>> >>Â
>> >>Until we get a comprehensive report from the various players
>> >> i.e. treasury, ministry of information, ministry of lands, AG's
>> >> Chambers, local government, county representatives and the President
>> >> the
>> >> project shall remain as dead as a dodo irrespective of how many flashy
>> >> advertisements are run by a sub-entity of a sub-entity of a
>> >> substantial participant in the project.
>> >>Â
>> >>Walu, in your case which ever way it goes nothing affects your setting
>> >> up
>> >> a lab, but if I was the University I would look at putting up an entire
>> >> self sufficient campus.
>> >>Â
>> >>Regards
>> >>Â
>> >>PS. Â China government is to build 1000 houses in Kisumu plus any other
>> >> projects that they deem necessary to giving Kisumu the status becoming
>> of
>> >> a City.
>> >>Â
>> >>Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box
>> >> 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
>> >>
>> >>________________________________
>> >>
>> >>From:Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com>
>> >>To: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
>> >>Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>> >>Sent: Tuesday, 7 February 2012, 11:04
>> >>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?
>> >>Â
>> >>@Yawe,
>> >>
>> >>u seem to b on the inside loop on this one.  Konza City, scuttled?  I
>> >> had advised my boss to book a university lab there and now I might need
>> >> guidance on what next?
>> >>
>> >>And thats me as a local stakeholder, what of the international
>> >> stakeholders - what would they make of your statement?
>> >>
>> >>walu.
>> >>
>> >>--- On Mon, 2/6/12, robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>From: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
>> >>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...
>> >>To: jwalu at yahoo.com
>> >>Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>> >>Date: Monday, February 6, 2012, 5:25 PM
>> >>Listers,
>> >>Â
>> >>Are we seriously having this discussion, please leave certification to
>> >> institutes of education such as Universities who already issue degrees
>> in
>> >> computer science and the like.
>> >>Â
>> >>This is just another tax guzzling scheme like the Konza adverts being
>> >> run
>> >> on TV yet the AG has already scuttled the project,Â
>> >>Â
>> >>We are aware that all the great software applications developed over the
>> >> past 3 decades have been done by enthusiasts or as Philip Ochieng
>> >> recently clarified amateurs, a situation that is not about to change
>> any
>> >> time soon.
>> >>Â
>> >>KICT eat in peace.
>> >>Â
>> >>Regards
>> >>Â
>> >>PS. Â Liko lets go look for something more productive to do with our
>> >> time, wachana na mambo ya certification na business plans. Â
>> >>Â
>> >>Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box
>> >> 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
>> >>
>> >>________________________________
>> >>
>> >>From:Agosta Liko <agostal at gmail.com>
>> >>To: robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk
>> >>Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>> >>Sent: Sunday, 5 February 2012, 14:00
>> >>Subject: [kictanet] Weird Things ...
>> >>Â
>> >>Samsung launched its 2nd Engineering Academy with a local Educational
>> >> Institution
>> >>
>> >>The ICT Board on the other hand is working with a Foreign Institution to
>> >> launch a Kenyan software development certification
>> >>
>> >>:)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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>> > sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and
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>> >
>> > KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors
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>> bandwidth,
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>> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT
>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and
>> development.
>>
>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors
>> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth,
>> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do
>> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
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