[kictanet] Kenya rattles Africa WICT group with proposal on Internet, IXPs
Gideon
gideonrop at gmail.com
Fri Dec 14 08:59:59 EAT 2012
+1 Dr. Ndemo.
What Africa needs are more leaders like Ndemo who can stand up for what
they believe in.
Thanks.
Gideon Rop,
DotConnectAfrica
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> 1. Re: Kenya rattles Africa WICT group with proposal on
> Internet, IXPs (McTim)
> 2. Re: Kenya rattles Africa WICT group with proposal on
> Internet, IXPs (Harry Hare)
> 3. Re: Kenya rattles Africa WICT group with proposal on
> Internet, IXPs (Mawaki Chango)
> 4. Following WCIT Remotely...Wow, Kenya! (Grace Mutung'u (Bomu))
> 5. US & UK Declare they will not make sign ITRs (Ali Hussein)
> 6. Re: US & UK Declare they will not make sign ITRs (McTim)
> 7. Re: Kenya rattles Africa WICT group with proposal on
> Internet, IXPs (Sammy Buruchara)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 06:58:13 -0500
> From: McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com>
> To: Rebecca Wanjiku <rebeccawanjiku at yahoo.com>
> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
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> Becky,
>
> On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 4:20 AM, Rebecca Wanjiku
> <rebeccawanjiku at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > http://www.wanjiku.co.ke/2012/12/kenya-rattles-africa-group-at-wict/
>
>
> Thanks for giving us a sense of the drama.
>
> The African Common Position, was, IMHO, against African interests
> (against the interests of the mwananchi at least).
>
> Bwana Ndemo was correct to stand up and do the right thing.
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> McTim
> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
> route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
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>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 15:35:19 +0300
> From: Harry Hare <harry at africanedevelopment.org>
> To: McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com>
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> McTim, totally in support. Dr Ndemo, you did the right thing.
>
> Cheers
> Harry
>
>
> On Dec 13, 2012, at 2:58 PM, McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Becky,
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 4:20 AM, Rebecca Wanjiku
> > <rebeccawanjiku at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> http://www.wanjiku.co.ke/2012/12/kenya-rattles-africa-group-at-wict/
> >
> >
> > Thanks for giving us a sense of the drama.
> >
> > The African Common Position, was, IMHO, against African interests
> > (against the interests of the mwananchi at least).
> >
> > Bwana Ndemo was correct to stand up and do the right thing.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Cheers,
> >
> > McTim
> > "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
> > route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
> >
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> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 08:19:45 -0500
> From: Mawaki Chango <kichango at gmail.com>
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> Not withstanding the substance of the position, the reaction of the
> African group to such move by the PS was to be expected.
>
> First of all, I never met the PS until I saw and listen to him at the
> IGF in Baku. I also listened to other people talk about him, his track
> record working with civil society, etc. And I'm a fan of the more
> progressive way (compared to so many other African countries) Kenya
> has been handling its policy-making in this area and in others, as of
> late. As a result, I must say, I became a bit confused at the notion
> that there would be one common African position backed by Kenya,
> Ethiopia, Mali, Togo, Sudan, etc.
>
> When you come to a treaty or any negotiating conference with a group's
> common position which you have declared or are reputed to support and
> you are pulled to a different (indeed opposing) position by another
> stakeholder outside your group, you don't take them by surprise by
> announcing your "new" position at the plenary. You first work your
> group, which enables you to enlist perhaps new allies and give a
> notice to those who still oppose your new position. The kind of
> reactions we are seeing here was to be expected from the way this has
> been handled (based on the current account). In a sense, the writing
> was on the wall...
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mawaki
>
> On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 6:58 AM, McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Becky,
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 4:20 AM, Rebecca Wanjiku
> > <rebeccawanjiku at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> http://www.wanjiku.co.ke/2012/12/kenya-rattles-africa-group-at-wict/
> >
> >
> > Thanks for giving us a sense of the drama.
> >
> > The African Common Position, was, IMHO, against African interests
> > (against the interests of the mwananchi at least).
> >
> > Bwana Ndemo was correct to stand up and do the right thing.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Cheers,
> >
> > McTim
> > "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
> > route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
> >
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> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 16:23:09 +0300
> From: "Grace Mutung'u (Bomu)" <nmutungu at gmail.com>
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> Wow! I am proud of Kenya! It must have been a hard decision.
> --
> Grace L.N. Mutung'u (Bomu)
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> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 22:08:28 +0400
> From: Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke>
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> Listers
>
> Sitting in plenary and as expected The US & The UK have declared they will
> not sign the ITRs. Other aligned country are sure to follow suit.
>
> Ali Hussein
> CEO | 3mice interactive media Ltd
> Principal | Telemedia Africa Ltd
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> +254 773/713 601113
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> "The future belongs to him who knows how to wait." - Russian Proverb
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> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 13:35:52 -0500
> From: McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com>
> To: Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke>
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> On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Ali Hussein <ali at hussein.me.ke> wrote:
>
> > Listers
> >
> > Sitting in plenary and as expected The US & The UK have declared they
> will
> > not sign the ITRs. Other aligned country are sure to follow suit.
> >
>
> and un-aligned
>
> CR, DK, NL even KE?
>
> from transcript:
> >> KENYA: Yes. Kenya wants to appreciate your patience and to thank the
> Government of UAE for the efforts that you've made towards reaching a
> consensus.
> Kenya, prior to coming here, held several meetings through the
> multistakeholder approach and hoped that we would achieve the objectives we
> set. Unfortunately, we have not reached those objectives and I wish to say
> here that we reserve our rights every reservations to go back home and do
> more consultations.
> Thank you.
>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> McTim
> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route
> indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
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> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 21:38:42 +0300
> From: Sammy Buruchara <buruchara at me.com>
> To: Harry Hare <harry at africanedevelopment.org>
> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya rattles Africa WICT group with proposal
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> Dr. Ndemo,
>
> Congrats for doing the right thing in the face of opposition. Some of the
> opposition do not understand where the Internet has come from since the
> beginning when Telcos(read ITU) held us by the neck with exorbitant
> charges in Internet fees(64kbs half-circuit for US$8,500 pm) our their
> networks yet they did little to provide the same. We forget so fast how
> much it cost us to get to where we are today.
>
>
> Sammy
>
> On 12/13/12 3:35 PM, "Harry Hare" <harry at africanedevelopment.org> wrote:
>
> >McTim, totally in support. Dr Ndemo, you did the right thing.
> >
> >Cheers
> >Harry
> >
> >
> >On Dec 13, 2012, at 2:58 PM, McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Becky,
> >>
> >> On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 4:20 AM, Rebecca Wanjiku
> >> <rebeccawanjiku at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> http://www.wanjiku.co.ke/2012/12/kenya-rattles-africa-group-at-wict/
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks for giving us a sense of the drama.
> >>
> >> The African Common Position, was, IMHO, against African interests
> >> (against the interests of the mwananchi at least).
> >>
> >> Bwana Ndemo was correct to stand up and do the right thing.
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> McTim
> >> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
> >> route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
> >>
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