<font color="#330099"><font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font><font><font><font><font><font><font>+1 Dr. N<font>demo.<br><br></font></font><font><font>What Africa needs are more lead<font>ers like Ndemo who can stand up for what they <font>believe<font> in. <br>
<br><font>Thanks.<br>Gideon Rop,<br>DotConnectAfrica<br><br></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 9:41 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kictanet-request@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet-request@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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1. Re: Kenya rattles Africa WICT group with proposal on<br>
Internet, IXPs (McTim)<br>
2. Re: Kenya rattles Africa WICT group with proposal on<br>
Internet, IXPs (Harry Hare)<br>
3. Re: Kenya rattles Africa WICT group with proposal on<br>
Internet, IXPs (Mawaki Chango)<br>
4. Following WCIT Remotely...Wow, Kenya! (Grace Mutung'u (Bomu))<br>
5. US & UK Declare they will not make sign ITRs (Ali Hussein)<br>
6. Re: US & UK Declare they will not make sign ITRs (McTim)<br>
7. Re: Kenya rattles Africa WICT group with proposal on<br>
Internet, IXPs (Sammy Buruchara)<br>
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Message: 1<br>
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 06:58:13 -0500<br>
From: McTim <<a href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com">dogwallah@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: Rebecca Wanjiku <<a href="mailto:rebeccawanjiku@yahoo.com">rebeccawanjiku@yahoo.com</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya rattles Africa WICT group with proposal<br>
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Becky,<br>
<br>
On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 4:20 AM, Rebecca Wanjiku<br>
<<a href="mailto:rebeccawanjiku@yahoo.com">rebeccawanjiku@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://www.wanjiku.co.ke/2012/12/kenya-rattles-africa-group-at-wict/" target="_blank">http://www.wanjiku.co.ke/2012/12/kenya-rattles-africa-group-at-wict/</a><br>
<br>
<br>
Thanks for giving us a sense of the drama.<br>
<br>
The African Common Position, was, IMHO, against African interests<br>
(against the interests of the mwananchi at least).<br>
<br>
Bwana Ndemo was correct to stand up and do the right thing.<br>
<br>
<br>
--<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
McTim<br>
"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A<br>
route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel<br>
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Message: 2<br>
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 15:35:19 +0300<br>
From: Harry Hare <<a href="mailto:harry@africanedevelopment.org">harry@africanedevelopment.org</a>><br>
To: McTim <<a href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com">dogwallah@gmail.com</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya rattles Africa WICT group with proposal<br>
on Internet, IXPs<br>
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McTim, totally in support. Dr Ndemo, you did the right thing.<br>
<br>
Cheers<br>
Harry<br>
<br>
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On Dec 13, 2012, at 2:58 PM, McTim <<a href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com">dogwallah@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> Becky,<br>
><br>
> On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 4:20 AM, Rebecca Wanjiku<br>
> <<a href="mailto:rebeccawanjiku@yahoo.com">rebeccawanjiku@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="http://www.wanjiku.co.ke/2012/12/kenya-rattles-africa-group-at-wict/" target="_blank">http://www.wanjiku.co.ke/2012/12/kenya-rattles-africa-group-at-wict/</a><br>
><br>
><br>
> Thanks for giving us a sense of the drama.<br>
><br>
> The African Common Position, was, IMHO, against African interests<br>
> (against the interests of the mwananchi at least).<br>
><br>
> Bwana Ndemo was correct to stand up and do the right thing.<br>
><br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Cheers,<br>
><br>
> McTim<br>
> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A<br>
> route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel<br>
><br>
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Message: 3<br>
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 08:19:45 -0500<br>
From: Mawaki Chango <<a href="mailto:kichango@gmail.com">kichango@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: McTim <<a href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com">dogwallah@gmail.com</a>>, KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<br>
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Not withstanding the substance of the position, the reaction of the<br>
African group to such move by the PS was to be expected.<br>
<br>
First of all, I never met the PS until I saw and listen to him at the<br>
IGF in Baku. I also listened to other people talk about him, his track<br>
record working with civil society, etc. And I'm a fan of the more<br>
progressive way (compared to so many other African countries) Kenya<br>
has been handling its policy-making in this area and in others, as of<br>
late. As a result, I must say, I became a bit confused at the notion<br>
that there would be one common African position backed by Kenya,<br>
Ethiopia, Mali, Togo, Sudan, etc.<br>
<br>
When you come to a treaty or any negotiating conference with a group's<br>
common position which you have declared or are reputed to support and<br>
you are pulled to a different (indeed opposing) position by another<br>
stakeholder outside your group, you don't take them by surprise by<br>
announcing your "new" position at the plenary. You first work your<br>
group, which enables you to enlist perhaps new allies and give a<br>
notice to those who still oppose your new position. The kind of<br>
reactions we are seeing here was to be expected from the way this has<br>
been handled (based on the current account). In a sense, the writing<br>
was on the wall...<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
Mawaki<br>
<br>
On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 6:58 AM, McTim <<a href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com">dogwallah@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Becky,<br>
><br>
> On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 4:20 AM, Rebecca Wanjiku<br>
> <<a href="mailto:rebeccawanjiku@yahoo.com">rebeccawanjiku@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="http://www.wanjiku.co.ke/2012/12/kenya-rattles-africa-group-at-wict/" target="_blank">http://www.wanjiku.co.ke/2012/12/kenya-rattles-africa-group-at-wict/</a><br>
><br>
><br>
> Thanks for giving us a sense of the drama.<br>
><br>
> The African Common Position, was, IMHO, against African interests<br>
> (against the interests of the mwananchi at least).<br>
><br>
> Bwana Ndemo was correct to stand up and do the right thing.<br>
><br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Cheers,<br>
><br>
> McTim<br>
> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A<br>
> route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel<br>
><br>
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Message: 4<br>
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 16:23:09 +0300<br>
From: "Grace Mutung'u (Bomu)" <<a href="mailto:nmutungu@gmail.com">nmutungu@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
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Subject: [kictanet] Following WCIT Remotely...Wow, Kenya!<br>
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Wow! I am proud of Kenya! It must have been a hard decision.<br>
--<br>
Grace L.N. Mutung'u (Bomu)<br>
Kenya<br>
Skype: gracebomu<br>
Twitter: @Bomu<br>
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Message: 5<br>
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 22:08:28 +0400<br>
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Listers<br>
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Sitting in plenary and as expected The US & The UK have declared they will not sign the ITRs. Other aligned country are sure to follow suit.<br>
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Ali Hussein<br>
CEO | 3mice interactive media Ltd<br>
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Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 13:35:52 -0500<br>
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On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Ali Hussein <<a href="mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke">ali@hussein.me.ke</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> Listers<br>
><br>
> Sitting in plenary and as expected The US & The UK have declared they will<br>
> not sign the ITRs. Other aligned country are sure to follow suit.<br>
><br>
<br>
and un-aligned<br>
<br>
CR, DK, NL even KE?<br>
<br>
from transcript:<br>
>> KENYA: Yes. Kenya wants to appreciate your patience and to thank the<br>
Government of UAE for the efforts that you've made towards reaching a<br>
consensus.<br>
Kenya, prior to coming here, held several meetings through the<br>
multistakeholder approach and hoped that we would achieve the objectives we<br>
set. Unfortunately, we have not reached those objectives and I wish to say<br>
here that we reserve our rights every reservations to go back home and do<br>
more consultations.<br>
Thank you.<br>
<br>
--<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
McTim<br>
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Message: 7<br>
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 21:38:42 +0300<br>
From: Sammy Buruchara <<a href="mailto:buruchara@me.com">buruchara@me.com</a>><br>
To: Harry Hare <<a href="mailto:harry@africanedevelopment.org">harry@africanedevelopment.org</a>><br>
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Dr. Ndemo,<br>
<br>
Congrats for doing the right thing in the face of opposition. Some of the<br>
opposition do not understand where the Internet has come from since the<br>
beginning when Telcos(read ITU) held us by the neck with exorbitant<br>
charges in Internet fees(64kbs half-circuit for US$8,500 pm) our their<br>
networks yet they did little to provide the same. We forget so fast how<br>
much it cost us to get to where we are today.<br>
<br>
<br>
Sammy<br>
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On 12/13/12 3:35 PM, "Harry Hare" <<a href="mailto:harry@africanedevelopment.org">harry@africanedevelopment.org</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
>McTim, totally in support. Dr Ndemo, you did the right thing.<br>
><br>
>Cheers<br>
>Harry<br>
><br>
><br>
>On Dec 13, 2012, at 2:58 PM, McTim <<a href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com">dogwallah@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Becky,<br>
>><br>
>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 4:20 AM, Rebecca Wanjiku<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:rebeccawanjiku@yahoo.com">rebeccawanjiku@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> <a href="http://www.wanjiku.co.ke/2012/12/kenya-rattles-africa-group-at-wict/" target="_blank">http://www.wanjiku.co.ke/2012/12/kenya-rattles-africa-group-at-wict/</a><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Thanks for giving us a sense of the drama.<br>
>><br>
>> The African Common Position, was, IMHO, against African interests<br>
>> (against the interests of the mwananchi at least).<br>
>><br>
>> Bwana Ndemo was correct to stand up and do the right thing.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>> Cheers,<br>
>><br>
>> McTim<br>
>> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A<br>
>> route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel<br>
>><br>
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