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On 23 April 2012 17:57, Muchiri Nyaggah <muchiri at semacraft.com> wrote:

> Brian is right. A local ISP or hosting business would be awarded the
> tender and proceed to provision the hosting service on infrastructure in a
> different country.
>
> That would be UUNet, me thinks?
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> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> I think that one thing that has not been taken into consideration is the
>> fact that CCK does not operate it's own hosting infrastructure. If I recall
>> from my ISP days and also assuming that CCK is still a public entity, they
>> are subject to procurement procedures - and hosting their website was one
>> of the hotly contested contracts that we used to compete for.
>>
>> I therefore would like to suggest that, in this case at least, the guns
>> are pointed at the wrong target. Which ISP has the hosting contract? Could
>> it be that their hosting infrastructure (like many others) is based in the
>> USA?
>>
>> Food for thought....
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 12:46 PM, <agostal at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> **
>>> Just to clarify
>>>
>>> Am not a top anything (that's for the big boys)... I strongly believe
>>> that our work should speak for itself
>>>
>>> So in building KITOS or whatever we will call that org, we should focus
>>> on what we can do as a sector... Then govt may follow
>>>
>>> Not start asking that all Kenyan projects should be done by Kenyan
>>> firms... Technically, all these "Kenyan Firms" have foreign shareholders...
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Sent from my BlackBerry®
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From: * Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi at gmail.com>
>>> *Date: *Mon, 23 Apr 2012 12:25:11 +0300
>>> *To: *<agostal at gmail.com>
>>> *Cc: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] [KICTAnet] CCK hosting its website abroad
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 23 April 2012 12:20, <agostal at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In all these discussions, I think Kenya should avoid creating some form
>>>> of affirmative action when it comes to contracts.
>>>>
>>>> Companies in Rwanda may grow because foreigners have to work with
>>>> them... But are they technically competent
>>>>
>>>> There are conversations going on right now around 140 friday about how
>>>> to strengthen the sector... For me, I think we should build good quality
>>>> stuff or do good quality work and the contracts will flow
>>>>
>>>> You win some, you loose some :)
>>>>
>>> +1 on Agosta's comments , plus him being one of our top software
>>> exporters, they should be valid .
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my BlackBerry®
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Phares Kariuki <pkariuki at gmail.com>
>>>> Sender: kictanet-bounces+agostal=gmail.com at lists.kictanet.or.keDate:
>>>> Mon, 23 Apr 2012 10:56:52
>>>> To: Agosta Liko<agostal at gmail.com>
>>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] [KICTAnet] CCK hosting its website abroad
>>>>
>>>> My comments on the issue:
>>>>
>>>> The government does have a prerogative to develop local industries. A
>>>> simple example is Embraer in Brazil, which grew to it’s current level
>>>> (with Kenya Airways buying jets from it) primarily from the government
>>>> purchasing. We don’t want the government to run the companies in the
>>>> ICT space, just use the taxes it collects from us to develop the very
>>>> same industries.
>>>>
>>>> If the private sector has it’s act together (as is the case with many
>>>> companies e.g. Cellulant, which has won a contract from the Government
>>>> of Nigeria recently, Seven Seas etc) and we have the capacity, it’s
>>>> wrong for the government to outsource the work… The government of
>>>> Rwanda currently has a model that for large government contracts, you
>>>> have to work in tandem with a local firm, which has two companies
>>>> (Rock Global Consulting & Matrix Business Solutions) experience
>>>> accelerated growth and are now capable of handling a lot of the
>>>> business the government has without external partnerships. They have
>>>> grown their capacity. The government loses less money and this in a
>>>> small way, fixes their balance of trade and increases employment
>>>> locally.
>>>>
>>>> The US government is currently trying as much as possible to end
>>>> outsourcing with companies like Apple/Cisco etc.
>>>>
>>>> I am not saying that we should adopt a model that was used by
>>>> India/China in the mid-late twentieth Century (extreme market
>>>> protection) but I believe it should be tempered. Importing milk from
>>>> Tanzania for example, will simply kill our dairy industry. Market
>>>> protection has it’s ills as well, but if well done, grows your
>>>> economy.
>>>>
>>>> I agree, to a point, with Joe’s approach, however, with CCK, given the
>>>> nature of their business, will necessarily have most of their traffic
>>>> being local. We do have some good local hosting companies. If for
>>>> instance, the tender was inclusive of all that and a preference for
>>>> local hosting (if the website were to be local) or international (in
>>>> this case the US), then this should clearly be specified at the tender
>>>> stage.
>>>>
>>>> The government wants to have 500 companies the size of Seven Seas
>>>> technologies (according to what I read from the recently ended
>>>> Connected Kenya Summit – correct me if I’m wrong
>>>>
>>>> http://softkenya.com/kenya-ict-board-plans-500-new-firms-by-2017-to-push-kenya-to-top-10-ict-hubs/
>>>> )
>>>> which basically means that in the next five years, we will have, 500
>>>> companies with over 1B KES in revenue (500B KES – 6.01B USD, with
>>>> current rates). How are we ever going to achieve this if the
>>>> government (currently the largest consumer of ICT Services) does not
>>>> channel it’s resources into local firms?
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Eugene Lidede (Synergy)
>>>> <eugene at synergy.co.ke> wrote:
>>>> > I find it hypocritical, that we want to be at the forefront of
>>>> lobbying
>>>> > government to outsource locally, but when that is done, we in turn
>>>> outsource
>>>> > abroad using sleek phrases and acronyms like BPO/ITES, Lack of
>>>> Capacity,
>>>> > Costs, Security… the list is endless!
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > While I see the argument you are raising for local support, I think
>>>> there is
>>>> > a bigger question as to whether the Internet is local? Also how many
>>>> of the
>>>> > local hosting companies are locally owned?
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > The Internet is as local as the Internet is abroad and vice-versa. The
>>>> > question of whether a firm is locally owned or not, is a
>>>> “local-hosting”
>>>> > irrelevancy that needs to be addressed differently.  It may be
>>>> entertaining
>>>> > to watch Nigerian oga movies  produced in Abuja, it would be better
>>>> to see a
>>>> > few Kenyan actors star in those movies and a few scenes shot in
>>>> Kajiado, the
>>>> > best experience is to have a hearty laugh watching hilarious
>>>> Naswa/Pasua
>>>> > comedy clips.… whether some Nigerian owns the production company
>>>> behind
>>>> > Naswa is equally an irrelevancy as far as “local-do-it-ourselves”
>>>> goes.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > The net effect of every shilling spent in Kenya as opposed to being
>>>> > converted to dollars and spent abroad, is pretty straight forward I
>>>> should
>>>> > think. I find it hypocritical (if not defeatist – and bordering on an
>>>> > economic crime) that a company “saves” by hosting abroad and later
>>>> claims to
>>>> > partake in CSR activities and benefits from Tax incentives for the
>>>> phony
>>>> > CSR!
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > It would be great if as an industry we answer some key questions and
>>>> then
>>>> > decide whether it is beneficial to use "local" or imported. My phone
>>>> is
>>>> > Korean, Laptop Apple (Chinese or US - you decide), Office furniture
>>>> from a
>>>> > South African company, imported from Italy etc..
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > I want to believe that the decision to import an Apple computer is
>>>> more
>>>> > informed by the lack of a local alternative in functionality,
>>>> aesthetics,
>>>> > prestige or some peculiar sentimental value. If only there was a
>>>> local brand
>>>> > called Chungwa that could equally tickle your gadgetry taste buds…..
>>>> The
>>>> > same “lacking” cannot be claimed for local hosting.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > How many Kenyans are  in the Diaspora and using the Internet.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > What difference does it make? If anything, they ought to be on the
>>>> frontline
>>>> > advancing our cause as a “hosting”/ICT destination, while we develop
>>>> the
>>>> > requisite capacity to absorb the business they forward our way. I
>>>> think it
>>>> > is immoral from a policy perspective to target the Diasporas while 40
>>>> > million are languishing in traffic Jams and endless dropped calls,
>>>> just to
>>>> > mention a few of the “easiest-to-solve” of our local ICT problems…
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > America did not just wake up July 4th and decide to outsource software
>>>> > development to India or hardware to China. It is the nationals of
>>>> these
>>>> > countries residing/visiting America who built their respective cases
>>>> and
>>>> > they did so with the confidence that back home there was sufficient
>>>> capacity
>>>> > and capability. Unlike in our case, they managed to do so despite
>>>> language
>>>> > and accent barriers and differences in political ideology and nuclear
>>>> > capability. We seem to have our cart in front of the horse, expecting
>>>> the
>>>> > IBMs and Googles of this world to come develop capacity for us then
>>>> swing us
>>>> > some!
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > I think you are asking the wrong question. You should be asking about
>>>> the
>>>> > quality of service to the visitor of the site. Various considerations
>>>> go
>>>> > into where to host a service;
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > With respect to CCK hosting, for as long as they are dealing with a
>>>> middle
>>>> > man (aka Broker/Reseller) then topics like Security, Quality of
>>>> Service
>>>> > ought not to arise, and if they do, then the contract ought to go to
>>>> a firm
>>>> > with demonstrated local infrastructure.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Regards
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > From: kictanet-bounces+eugene=synergy.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>>>> > [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eugene=synergy.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke]
>>>> On
>>>> > Behalf Of Joseph Mucheru
>>>> > Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 11:38 PM
>>>> > To: Eugene Lidede
>>>> > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>>>> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] CCK hosting its website abroad
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Grace/Wanjiku,
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > While I see the argument you are raising for local support, I think
>>>> there is
>>>> > a bigger question as to whether the Internet is local? Also how many
>>>> of the
>>>> > local hosting companies are locally owned? I think you should
>>>> evaluate the
>>>> > total economic impact to Kenya and not base it on face value. It
>>>> would be
>>>> > great if as an industry we answer some key questions and then decide
>>>> whether
>>>> > it is beneficial to use "local" or imported. My phone is Korean,
>>>> Laptop
>>>> > Apple (Chinese or US - you decide), Office furniture from a South
>>>> African
>>>> > company, imported from Italy etc.. back to the subject of local
>>>> hosting
>>>> > ..... How many Kenyans are  in the diaspora and using the Internet.
>>>>  I think
>>>> > you are asking the wrong question. You should be asking about the
>>>> quality of
>>>> > service to the visitor of the site. Various considerations go into
>>>> where to
>>>> > host a service;
>>>> >
>>>> > 1) Cost
>>>> >
>>>> > 2) Security
>>>> >
>>>> > 3) Quality of Service - where is your primary audience, what devices
>>>> (mobile
>>>> > (feature or smart phone?, desktop, tablet )
>>>> >
>>>> > 4) Search Engine Ranking and optimisation - Discoverability
>>>> >
>>>> > 5) others ...
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Who is best positioned to provide this kind of comparison data? Can
>>>> you
>>>> > investigate and give us feedback?
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Joe Mucheru
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 11:01 PM, Grace Githaiga <
>>>> ggithaiga at hotmail.com>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Quoting the article by Rebecca Wanjiku...
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > For a regulator like the Communications Commission of Kenya (CCK),
>>>> you would
>>>> > expect them to be promoting services if the whole talk of how
>>>> infrastructure
>>>> > has improved and how it is getting better.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Read more...
>>>> >
>>>> > http://www.wanjiku.co.ke/2012/04/cck-hosting-its-website-abroad/
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Rgds
>>>> >
>>>> > GG
>>>> >
>>>> >
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