[kictanet] [KICTAnet] CCK hosting its website abroad

Mon Apr 23 17:57:31 EAT 2012

Brian is right. A local ISP or hosting business would be awarded the tender
and proceed to provision the hosting service on infrastructure in a
different country.

That would be UUNet, me thinks?

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On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe at gmail.com>wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> I think that one thing that has not been taken into consideration is the
> fact that CCK does not operate it's own hosting infrastructure. If I recall
> from my ISP days and also assuming that CCK is still a public entity, they
> are subject to procurement procedures - and hosting their website was one
> of the hotly contested contracts that we used to compete for.
>
> I therefore would like to suggest that, in this case at least, the guns
> are pointed at the wrong target. Which ISP has the hosting contract? Could
> it be that their hosting infrastructure (like many others) is based in the
> USA?
>
> Food for thought....
>
> Brian
>
> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 12:46 PM, <agostal at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> **
>> Just to clarify
>>
>> Am not a top anything (that's for the big boys)... I strongly believe
>> that our work should speak for itself
>>
>> So in building KITOS or whatever we will call that org, we should focus
>> on what we can do as a sector... Then govt may follow
>>
>> Not start asking that all Kenyan projects should be done by Kenyan
>> firms... Technically, all these "Kenyan Firms" have foreign shareholders...
>>
>> Thanks
>> Sent from my BlackBerry®
>> ------------------------------
>> *From: * Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi at gmail.com>
>> *Date: *Mon, 23 Apr 2012 12:25:11 +0300
>> *To: *<agostal at gmail.com>
>> *Cc: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>> *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] [KICTAnet] CCK hosting its website abroad
>>
>>
>>
>> On 23 April 2012 12:20, <agostal at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In all these discussions, I think Kenya should avoid creating some form
>>> of affirmative action when it comes to contracts.
>>>
>>> Companies in Rwanda may grow because foreigners have to work with
>>> them... But are they technically competent
>>>
>>> There are conversations going on right now around 140 friday about how
>>> to strengthen the sector... For me, I think we should build good quality
>>> stuff or do good quality work and the contracts will flow
>>>
>>> You win some, you loose some :)
>>>
>> +1 on Agosta's comments , plus him being one of our top software
>> exporters, they should be valid .
>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my BlackBerry®
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Phares Kariuki <pkariuki at gmail.com>
>>> Sender: kictanet-bounces+agostal=gmail.com at lists.kictanet.or.keDate:
>>> Mon, 23 Apr 2012 10:56:52
>>> To: Agosta Liko<agostal at gmail.com>
>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] [KICTAnet] CCK hosting its website abroad
>>>
>>> My comments on the issue:
>>>
>>> The government does have a prerogative to develop local industries. A
>>> simple example is Embraer in Brazil, which grew to it’s current level
>>> (with Kenya Airways buying jets from it) primarily from the government
>>> purchasing. We don’t want the government to run the companies in the
>>> ICT space, just use the taxes it collects from us to develop the very
>>> same industries.
>>>
>>> If the private sector has it’s act together (as is the case with many
>>> companies e.g. Cellulant, which has won a contract from the Government
>>> of Nigeria recently, Seven Seas etc) and we have the capacity, it’s
>>> wrong for the government to outsource the work… The government of
>>> Rwanda currently has a model that for large government contracts, you
>>> have to work in tandem with a local firm, which has two companies
>>> (Rock Global Consulting & Matrix Business Solutions) experience
>>> accelerated growth and are now capable of handling a lot of the
>>> business the government has without external partnerships. They have
>>> grown their capacity. The government loses less money and this in a
>>> small way, fixes their balance of trade and increases employment
>>> locally.
>>>
>>> The US government is currently trying as much as possible to end
>>> outsourcing with companies like Apple/Cisco etc.
>>>
>>> I am not saying that we should adopt a model that was used by
>>> India/China in the mid-late twentieth Century (extreme market
>>> protection) but I believe it should be tempered. Importing milk from
>>> Tanzania for example, will simply kill our dairy industry. Market
>>> protection has it’s ills as well, but if well done, grows your
>>> economy.
>>>
>>> I agree, to a point, with Joe’s approach, however, with CCK, given the
>>> nature of their business, will necessarily have most of their traffic
>>> being local. We do have some good local hosting companies. If for
>>> instance, the tender was inclusive of all that and a preference for
>>> local hosting (if the website were to be local) or international (in
>>> this case the US), then this should clearly be specified at the tender
>>> stage.
>>>
>>> The government wants to have 500 companies the size of Seven Seas
>>> technologies (according to what I read from the recently ended
>>> Connected Kenya Summit – correct me if I’m wrong
>>>
>>> http://softkenya.com/kenya-ict-board-plans-500-new-firms-by-2017-to-push-kenya-to-top-10-ict-hubs/
>>> )
>>> which basically means that in the next five years, we will have, 500
>>> companies with over 1B KES in revenue (500B KES – 6.01B USD, with
>>> current rates). How are we ever going to achieve this if the
>>> government (currently the largest consumer of ICT Services) does not
>>> channel it’s resources into local firms?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Eugene Lidede (Synergy)
>>> <eugene at synergy.co.ke> wrote:
>>> > I find it hypocritical, that we want to be at the forefront of lobbying
>>> > government to outsource locally, but when that is done, we in turn
>>> outsource
>>> > abroad using sleek phrases and acronyms like BPO/ITES, Lack of
>>> Capacity,
>>> > Costs, Security… the list is endless!
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > While I see the argument you are raising for local support, I think
>>> there is
>>> > a bigger question as to whether the Internet is local? Also how many
>>> of the
>>> > local hosting companies are locally owned?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > The Internet is as local as the Internet is abroad and vice-versa. The
>>> > question of whether a firm is locally owned or not, is a
>>> “local-hosting”
>>> > irrelevancy that needs to be addressed differently.  It may be
>>> entertaining
>>> > to watch Nigerian oga movies  produced in Abuja, it would be better to
>>> see a
>>> > few Kenyan actors star in those movies and a few scenes shot in
>>> Kajiado, the
>>> > best experience is to have a hearty laugh watching hilarious
>>> Naswa/Pasua
>>> > comedy clips.… whether some Nigerian owns the production company behind
>>> > Naswa is equally an irrelevancy as far as “local-do-it-ourselves” goes.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > The net effect of every shilling spent in Kenya as opposed to being
>>> > converted to dollars and spent abroad, is pretty straight forward I
>>> should
>>> > think. I find it hypocritical (if not defeatist – and bordering on an
>>> > economic crime) that a company “saves” by hosting abroad and later
>>> claims to
>>> > partake in CSR activities and benefits from Tax incentives for the
>>> phony
>>> > CSR!
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > It would be great if as an industry we answer some key questions and
>>> then
>>> > decide whether it is beneficial to use "local" or imported. My phone is
>>> > Korean, Laptop Apple (Chinese or US - you decide), Office furniture
>>> from a
>>> > South African company, imported from Italy etc..
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I want to believe that the decision to import an Apple computer is more
>>> > informed by the lack of a local alternative in functionality,
>>> aesthetics,
>>> > prestige or some peculiar sentimental value. If only there was a local
>>> brand
>>> > called Chungwa that could equally tickle your gadgetry taste buds…..
>>> The
>>> > same “lacking” cannot be claimed for local hosting.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > How many Kenyans are  in the Diaspora and using the Internet.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > What difference does it make? If anything, they ought to be on the
>>> frontline
>>> > advancing our cause as a “hosting”/ICT destination, while we develop
>>> the
>>> > requisite capacity to absorb the business they forward our way. I
>>> think it
>>> > is immoral from a policy perspective to target the Diasporas while 40
>>> > million are languishing in traffic Jams and endless dropped calls,
>>> just to
>>> > mention a few of the “easiest-to-solve” of our local ICT problems…
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > America did not just wake up July 4th and decide to outsource software
>>> > development to India or hardware to China. It is the nationals of these
>>> > countries residing/visiting America who built their respective cases
>>> and
>>> > they did so with the confidence that back home there was sufficient
>>> capacity
>>> > and capability. Unlike in our case, they managed to do so despite
>>> language
>>> > and accent barriers and differences in political ideology and nuclear
>>> > capability. We seem to have our cart in front of the horse, expecting
>>> the
>>> > IBMs and Googles of this world to come develop capacity for us then
>>> swing us
>>> > some!
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I think you are asking the wrong question. You should be asking about
>>> the
>>> > quality of service to the visitor of the site. Various considerations
>>> go
>>> > into where to host a service;
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > With respect to CCK hosting, for as long as they are dealing with a
>>> middle
>>> > man (aka Broker/Reseller) then topics like Security, Quality of Service
>>> > ought not to arise, and if they do, then the contract ought to go to a
>>> firm
>>> > with demonstrated local infrastructure.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Regards
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > From: kictanet-bounces+eugene=synergy.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>>> > [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eugene=synergy.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke] On
>>> > Behalf Of Joseph Mucheru
>>> > Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 11:38 PM
>>> > To: Eugene Lidede
>>> > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>>> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] CCK hosting its website abroad
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Grace/Wanjiku,
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > While I see the argument you are raising for local support, I think
>>> there is
>>> > a bigger question as to whether the Internet is local? Also how many
>>> of the
>>> > local hosting companies are locally owned? I think you should evaluate
>>> the
>>> > total economic impact to Kenya and not base it on face value. It would
>>> be
>>> > great if as an industry we answer some key questions and then decide
>>> whether
>>> > it is beneficial to use "local" or imported. My phone is Korean, Laptop
>>> > Apple (Chinese or US - you decide), Office furniture from a South
>>> African
>>> > company, imported from Italy etc.. back to the subject of local hosting
>>> > ..... How many Kenyans are  in the diaspora and using the Internet.  I
>>> think
>>> > you are asking the wrong question. You should be asking about the
>>> quality of
>>> > service to the visitor of the site. Various considerations go into
>>> where to
>>> > host a service;
>>> >
>>> > 1) Cost
>>> >
>>> > 2) Security
>>> >
>>> > 3) Quality of Service - where is your primary audience, what devices
>>> (mobile
>>> > (feature or smart phone?, desktop, tablet )
>>> >
>>> > 4) Search Engine Ranking and optimisation - Discoverability
>>> >
>>> > 5) others ...
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Who is best positioned to provide this kind of comparison data? Can you
>>> > investigate and give us feedback?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Thanks
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Joe Mucheru
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 11:01 PM, Grace Githaiga <
>>> ggithaiga at hotmail.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Quoting the article by Rebecca Wanjiku...
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > For a regulator like the Communications Commission of Kenya (CCK), you
>>> would
>>> > expect them to be promoting services if the whole talk of how
>>> infrastructure
>>> > has improved and how it is getting better.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Read more...
>>> >
>>> > http://www.wanjiku.co.ke/2012/04/cck-hosting-its-website-abroad/
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Rgds
>>> >
>>> > GG
>>> >
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