[kictanet] Declining English grammar in our Newsprint

Mon Oct 10 17:55:31 EAT 2011

Do we have an English language center of excellence anywhere around that
anybody knows...?

Pse, amble along the contacts, directions, etc...

I suppose we can all do with some 'refresher skills' of sorts in the English
language subset.

Harry

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From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke
[mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke] On
Behalf Of Phares Kariuki
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 4:29 PM
To: harry at comtelsys.co.ke
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Declining English grammar in our Newsprint

:-). Thanks

On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Macharia Gaitho
<mgaitho at ke.nationmedia.com> wrote:

'braking', not 'breaking' distance.

From: kictanet-bounces+mgaitho=nation.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke
[mailto:kictanet-bounces+mgaitho <mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Bmgaitho>
=nation.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Phares Kariuki
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 4:09 PM

To: Macharia Gaitho
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Declining English grammar in our Newsprint

We are not taught the fundamentals. I have been trying to avoid pointing out
a basic grammatical error many are making on this list, but I'll do so
anyway. In English and most other Latin based languages proper nouns are
capitalized. Many on this list have their names in outgoing emails without
capitalizing.  Why am I pointing this out? We all went through one education
system. For you to gained admission into a public university, you needed to
have achieved at least a mean grade of B. If we are making the same mistakes
the journalists are making, how can we take the high road? If we
purposefully chose to ignore the rules of grammar as we were done with our
'high school' education, then it means that there is a fundamental problem
with our education system (we never had to apply our knowledge of English,
so we are really studying for the sake of the grade and not the knowledge). 

It's the same with Swahili, Physics (e.g. we all know that Kenyan drivers
are constantly speeding, even with vehicles that were not built for speed.
In high school, we are taught that breaking distance is proportional to the
*square* of the speed, which means that it increases out of proportion to
the increase in speed), but we disregard this. We all sang the national
anthem at least twice per week, for all twelve years of our primary and
tertiary education, yet we stutter if we are asked to recite it. 

The crisis of our education system is that people don't value the skill as
much as they value recognition for the skill. It does not matter whether or
not you can actually code, what matters is that you have a certificate that
says  you can. It's apparent in the technology space today. People have to
earn their stripes, papers no longer really matter. The 'Mwakenya' is the
standard in University exam rooms. And the situation is only getting worse.
We need to find ways of integrating what people learn with day to day life.
If we don't, we will keep having this tragedy of people getting knowledge
for the sake of the certificate and not bothering to find out why they are
learning that. 

A further illustration, I once spoke to a university student who mentioned
that he was doing Oracle Certification 'because he heard that it has money'.
My problem with his thinking was that he had no clue what products Oracle
was dealing in, he was going to do any certification available, which means,
he might have ended up certifying in a field he did not like (Oracle has
Enterprise Hardware/Software/Cloud Services) and land on a job he does not
want, but one that pays well. 

On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 2:43 PM, luke mulunda <lmulunda at yahoo.com> wrote:

Marsh,

My brain must have been infested with cobwebs. 

Anyhow, that's what we are talking about: where are the guys (like you) to
follow through and clean up the mess before it gets to the press? And it's
not just the daily newspapers, Weeklies, and even monthy publications. I
have been reading a book authored and published locally and you can see the
concern. 

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From: Macharia Gaitho <mgaitho at ke.nationmedia.com>
To: luke mulunda <lmulunda at yahoo.com>

Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>

Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 1:19 PM
Subject: RE: [kictanet] Declining English grammar in our Newsprint

Luke,

the Ugandan leader was 'Amin', not 'Amini'.

I would suppose the unnamed 'he'  was killed at dawn, not 'down'. 

Kindest regards

From: kictanet-bounces+mgaitho=nation.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke
[mailto:kictanet-bounces+mgaitho <mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Bmgaitho>
=nation.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of luke mulunda
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 10 <tel:2011%2010> :37 AM
To: Macharia Gaitho

Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions

Subject: Re: [kictanet] Declining English grammar in our Newsprint

Hi all,

I would personally blame it on cost-cutting. We have journalism and English
experts in newsrooms, but they have too much on their hands to spot the most
obvious and embarrassing mistakes in our publications. 

Mistakes can be costly. Remember during Amini's time in Uganda, the dictator
had criticised a female MP, and so the paper splashed the following morning
"Amini rapes MP" when he meant "RAPS". I hear, he was killed at down as he
brushed his teeth in his house.

LUKE M

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From: Catherine Adeya <elizaslider at yahoo.com>
To: luke <lmulunda at yahoo.com>
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 10 <tel:2011%2010> :18 AM
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Declining English grammar in our Newsprint

James,

The PS has a point and I am not disputing yours either but I would simply
respond to your email below that generalizations is what has got us where we
are. Specificity can help more.....

Nyaki

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From: james ratemo <jratemo at gmail.com>
To: elizaslider at yahoo.com
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2011 11 <tel:2011%2011> :16 PM
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Declining English grammar in our Newsprint

Bwana PS what are you insinuating? We open our newsrooms fro the so called
English majors? Some of them are in the newsrooms already...maybe they are
sleeping on the job...my opinion

On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 11:11 PM, <bitange at jambo.co.ke> wrote:

All of today's newspapers had several grammatical errors.  At this time and
age of ICT, is it not too embarrasing to have such errors?  We have
thousands of English majors without jobs.  It is time for media to be
thorough in what they do by utilizing our many graduates without jobs.  As a
Kenyan I get embarrased to see such errors.

Ndemo.

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