[kictanet] Declining English grammar in our Newsprint
robert yawe
robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk
Thu Oct 6 13:38:19 EAT 2011
Hi,
Thanks for noting the grammatical error, but what is your contribution to the discussion? I fear not throwing stones from within or without my glass house.
Regards
"Once you put yourself on a pedestal expect to be pelted"
Robert Yawe
KAY System Technologies Ltd
Phoenix House, 6th Floor
P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________
From: Cleophas Barmasai <cbarmasai at gmail.com>
To: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Sent: Thursday, 6 October 2011, 11:34
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Declining English grammar in our Newsprint
"Many might thing that this issue does not affect us on the ICT industry but I beg to differ..."
I think a spell and grammar checker software alone will not help.
Cleophas
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 9:16 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Doctor Ndemo,
>
>
>However much I might agree with you on the issue of teachers, software companies have solved the issue by providing spell and grammar checkers what is so difficult with the editor running the articles through such a check before sending to print. Unless we are saying that they are using rudimentary system which do not have such essentials.
>
>
>The rot is much deeper what you have raised in this thread is the tip of the iceberg we seriously need to go below the surface if we are looking for a sustainable solution.
>
>
>Many might thing that this issue does not affect us on the ICT industry but I beg to differ (I initially type the word "defer" but I took the effort to check the meanings) the problem falls squarely in our realm.
>
>
>Regards
>
>Robert Yawe
>KAY System Technologies Ltd
>Phoenix House, 6th
Floor
>P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
>Kenya
>
>
>Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
>
>
>________________________________
> From: "bitange at jambo.co.ke" <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
>To: robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk
>
>Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>Sent: Wednesday, 5 October 2011, 17:46
>
>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Declining English grammar in our Newsprint
>
>
>Ory,
>I recently posted the mapping
of teachers in the country and proved KNUT
>wrong on their approach to learning in this country. Our pilot test
>showed that only one of the ten teachers could manage a score of 350. I
>see a correlation between individual responsibility of teachers and the
>products we are now getting.
>
>
>
>Ndemo.
>
>
>
>
>> Well, when our own teachers are failing at spelling, one wonders...
>> http://www.elimuportal.net/
>>
>> (*still* zero response on fixing the typos)
>>
>>
>>
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>>> (Kipkemoi arap Kirui)
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 14:29:26 +0300 (EAT)
>>> From: bitange at jambo.co.ke
>>> To: "Kipkemoi
arap Kirui" <arapkirui at gmail.com>
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>>> Kipkemoi arap Kirui,
>>> In system theory there is feedback and evaluation which informs
>>> subsequent
>>> inputs. When the output does not meet the expectations, you either
>>>
change
>>> the quality of inputs or revise the processing system. We need some
>>> work
>>> on our 8-4-4 system.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ndemo.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > Andrea,
>>> >
>>> > I guess it is a more serious problem. That of poor foundation and
>>> > commercialization of our undergraduate programs. Every backstreet
>>> building
>>> > in most towns now houses some university or affiliate college or
>>> program.
>>> > How can all these mushrooming universities and campuses access
>>> competent
>>> > faculty to take our young people through this crucial stage of their
>>> > lives? How can they access library and other resources? Can we really
>>> > blame these Kenyans?
>>> >
>>> > I want to ask the Professors and Lecturers here and
elsewhere to
>>> search
>>> > their souls and ask themselves whether what is going on in Kenyan
>>> > universities is sustainable. A large number of our graduating students
>>> > cannot process simple tasks nor can they engage in intellectual
>>> > discussions in their 'professional' areas. This week I saw a candidate
>>> to
>>> > the IEBC with a PhD (due respect to her) who barely processed simple
>>> > questions asked by the Ekuru Aukot Panel.
>>> >
>>> > Let us go back to our universities and 'campuses' and try to
>>> understand
>>> > what really goes on there. Let us check whether in fact in some of
>>> these
>>> > institutions any education is at all taking place.
>>> >
>>> > Kipkemoi arap Kirui
>>> >
>>> > Sent from my iPad
>>> >
>>> > On Oct
5, 2011, at 7:24, info at alyhussein.com wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Andrea
>>> >>
>>> >> Blaming tools like the PC and mobile phones for bad grammar and
>>> spelling
>>> >> is a bit like blaming the gun for killings - they will happen with or
>>> >> without the gun.
>>> >>
>>> >> Attitudes, the willingness to learn and continuously improve
>>> ourselves
>>> >> is what matters.
>>> >>
>>> >> Ali Hussein - Sent from my BlackBerry??
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>>> Omogambi Ndemo,
>>>
>>> Yours is a call to action. Can we diagnose, evaluate and act?
>>>
>>> arap Kirui
>>>
>>> On 5 October 2011 14:29, <bitange at jambo.co.ke> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Kipkemoi arap Kirui,
>>> > In system theory there is feedback and evaluation which informs
>>> subsequent
>>> > inputs. When the output does not meet the expectations, you either
>>> change
>>> > the
quality of inputs or revise the processing system. We need some
>>> work
>>> > on our 8-4-4 system.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Ndemo.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > > Andrea,
>>> > >
>>> > > I guess it is a more serious problem. That of poor foundation and
>>> > > commercialization of our undergraduate programs. Every backstreet
>>> > building
>>> > > in most towns now houses some university or affiliate college or
>>> program.
>>> > > How can all these mushrooming universities and campuses access
>>> competent
>>> > > faculty to take our young people through this crucial stage of their
>>> > > lives? How can they access library and other resources? Can we
>>> really
>>> > > blame these
Kenyans?
>>> > >
>>> > > I want to ask the Professors and Lecturers here and elsewhere to
>>> search
>>> > > their souls and ask themselves whether what is going on in Kenyan
>>> > > universities is sustainable. A large number of our graduating
>>> students
>>> > > cannot process simple tasks nor can they engage in intellectual
>>> > > discussions in their 'professional' areas. This week I saw a
>>> candidate
>>> to
>>> > > the IEBC with a PhD (due respect to her) who barely processed simple
>>> > > questions asked by the Ekuru Aukot Panel.
>>> > >
>>> > > Let us go back to our universities and 'campuses' and try to
>>> understand
>>> > > what really goes on there. Let us check whether in fact in some of
>>> these
>>> > > institutions any
education is at all taking place.
>>> > >
>>> > > Kipkemoi arap Kirui
>>> > >
>>> > > Sent from my iPad
>>> > >
>>> > > On Oct 5, 2011, at 7:24, info at alyhussein.com wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > >> Andrea
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Blaming tools like the PC and mobile phones for bad grammar and
>>> spelling
>>> > >> is a bit like blaming the gun for killings - they will happen with
>>> or
>>> > >> without the gun.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Attitudes, the willingness to learn and continuously improve
>>> ourselves
>>> > >> is what matters.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Ali Hussein - Sent from my BlackBerry?
>>> >
>>
>>> > >> -----Original Message-----
>>> > >> From: Andrea Bohnstedt <andrea.bohnstedt at ratio-magazine.com>
>>> > >> Sender:
>>> kictanet-bounces+info=alyhussein.com at lists.kictanet.or.keDate
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>>> > >> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>> > >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Declining English grammar in
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>>> From: godera at skyweb.co.ke
>>> To: James Kagwe <kagwejg at gmail.com>
>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
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>>> Listers,
>>>
>>> In my view this is but a reflection of how standards across the board
>>> have
>>> fallen. There is simply no pride in a good job done- casualness is the
>>> order of
>>> the day.'It can pass' - so it is said.
>>> We need to get back to the thoroughness that once was- ACROSS THE BOARD.
>>>
>>> Gilda
>>>
>>> Quoting James Kagwe <kagwejg at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>> > I have also noted lots of typing errors on the scrolling text
>>> especially
>>> > during 9.00 PM news on most of them.
>>> >
>>> > On 10/4/2011 11:11 PM, bitange at jambo.co.ke wrote:
>>> > > All of today's newspapers had several grammatical errors. At this
>>> time
>>> and
>>> > age of ICT, is it not too embarrasing to have such errors? We have
>>> > thousands of English majors without jobs. It is time for media to be
>>> > thorough in what they do by utilizing our many graduates without jobs.
>>> As a
>>> > Kenyan I get embarrased to see such errors.
>>> > >
>>> > > Ndemo.
>>> > >
>>> >
>
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Sent from my BlackBerry?
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>>> > > -----Original Message-----
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>>> > > Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 13:32:57
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>>> > > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>> > > Subject: [kictanet] GSMA: Calls will remain high
between African
>>> countries
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Sincerely,
Cleophas Barmasai
"For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age..." (Titus 2:11,12, NKJV)
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