[kictanet] 24! Your dead in the water

Wed Jun 15 12:03:32 EAT 2011

Robert, there are plenty of people above the age of 24 who make a mark in
society, not just in ICT, but in many other sectors as well - they probably
just don't have time to chitchat on an ICT mailing list all day long.

Financiers, coaches, managers are an important part of the system. It's a
bit difficult to get anything off the ground without managers and
financiers. And not everyone is a good entrepreneur. Plus a country full of
entrepreneurs and no employees to be employed in those fantastic companies
they are going to create would be a bit pointless, no?

Happy day everyone. Gotta scoot and do some work to keep my employees busy
:)

Andrea

On 15 June 2011 11:16, robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> It seems my comment about those older than 24 to give up on making a mark
> in society, apart from political, touched a raw nerve.
>
> Please do not get disillusioned the following avenues still exist for you;
>
> 1.  Become an angel investor to the under 24 year old's (Google received
> US $100,000/-, do the ROI)
> 2.  Mentor and/or incubate the under 24 year old's (Sam please share)
> 3.  Encourage and motivate your children, nephews and nieces who are under
> 16 years to take up development (Mark Zuckerberg was writing serious code
> he had taught himself when he was only 9 years old & turned down a job
> offers from AOL & Microsoft when he was in high school,  - what is your 9
> year old doing?)
>
> Even as old as we are we still can be part of the next big non-political
> revolution so long as we accept the fact that we shall be ball "boys",
> coaches, managers, financiers and onlookers but not player on the pitch
> which is why I continue to campaign for the post of Post Master General,
> king of snail mail.
>
> FYI:
> Mark Zuckerberg is another one in the long line including Bill Gates,
> Microsoft owner, and Steve Jobs, Apple CEO and largest shareholder of
> Disney. These guys keep reinforcing the myth that college graduates become
> employees in companies owned by college dropouts, who become billionaires.
>
> Rather than becoming dependable citizens *looking for jobs<http://www.clevelcrossing.com/lcjssearchresults.php?d=1550>
> *, people like Mark Zuckerberg believe in becoming deviants, who go on to
> create jobs, and possess the cheek to do so without inheriting big bank
> accounts. One Mark Zuckerberg is sufficient to set millions of kids dreaming
> and doing awful damage to the tenets of civilized society, as we know it.
> Good boys should go through college, study as much as they can, and lose as
> much of their originality as they can, to become solid dependable workers
> for our industrial system. People like Mark Zuckerberg , just by their
> existence, incite others to think, something that has always been
> disapproved by good society, starting with the burning of Copernicus.
>
>
> http://www.clevelcrossing.com/article/900107/Mark-Zuckerberg-Facebook-Owner-Exposed-in-the-New-Movie-Social-Network/
>
> Regards
>
> PS.  Do despair, in so long as developing that killer up is concerned but
> be re-energised by the other prevailing opportunities.
>
> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
> Kenya
>
> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
>
>
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> *From:* Andrea Bohnstedt <andrea.bohnstedt at ratio-magazine.com>
> *To:* robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk
> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> *Sent:* Tue, 14 June, 2011 12:11:13
> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] kictanet Digest, Vol 49, Issue 48
>
> Ory, we all know women can multi-task *much* better than guys :)
>
> On 14 June 2011 11:24, Ory Okolloh <ookolloh at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Re radical ideas and kids.
>>
>> Mzalendo grew and went live when I was pregnant with my first child,
>> Ushahidi was born when I had a 10 month old and I quit my job to build the
>> organization behind it when I had another on the way, expecting number 3
>> after recently joining Google and I'm sure I will continue to have new ideas
>> there :-)
>>
>>
>> Ory
>>
>>
>>
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 06:06:34 +0000
>>> From: "david.simbiri at lixnet.net" <david.simbiri at lixnet.net>
>>> To: <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
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>>> I confirm my attendance.
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>>> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>> Date: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 5:29:18 AM GMT+00:00
>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] mhealth breakfast
>>>
>>> Listers,
>>> My mistake on the date of this event.  Veneue is the same tomorrow the
>>> 15th of June and not the 16th.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>>
>>> Ndemo.
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>>>
>>> Sent from my BlackBerry?
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>>> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 09:18:41 +0300
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>>> confirmed, will attend
>>> Andrew
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, 14 June 2011, Suraj Shah <suraj at surajshah.co.ke> wrote:
>>> > I would like to attend. ?Thanks
>>> >
>>> > Suraj Shah
>>> > Corporate Affairs Manager
>>> > Intel
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 6/14/11 5:00 AM, "bitange at jambo.co.ke" <bitange at jambo.co.ke> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Listers,
>>> >> The breakfast meeting on medical cloud services will be at the Serena
>>> on the
>>> >> 16th morning starting at the 7am. ?The sponsor has graciously accepted
>>> to have
>>> >> at list 10 of you.
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>>> >> Please let us have confirmations on the list. ?They will respond to
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>>> >> Ndemo.
>>> >>
>>> >>
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>>> >> Sent from my BlackBerry?
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>>> on IT
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>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 09:23:58 +0300
>>> From: "Rad!" <conradakunga at gmail.com>
>>> To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya's "Silicon Savannah" to challenge India
>>>        on IT
>>> Message-ID: <BANLkTims+FqrUcG+Pmu+GmFdbiFYh9cNSQ at mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>
>>> I must challenge you there Robert. What do rent and kids have to do with
>>> creativity, drive and passion? Jonathan Ive, the principal designer of
>>> the
>>> iMac, titanium and aluminum PowerBook G4, MacBook, unibody MacBook
>>> Pro, iPod, iPhone, and iPad has a wife and two kids. Twins. Doesn't seem
>>> to
>>> have slowed him down any.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:26 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hi
>>> > The first step is to have a passion for what you want to do, then
>>> identify
>>> a problem that needs solving and solve it all for the fun and passion of
>>> it
>>> not the money.
>>> > Mariga, Ronaldo and the rest of the ilk first played soccer for the fun
>>> and passion of the game the scouts, enforcements and money then followed.
>>> > Regards
>>> > PS.  I was recently reminded that once you have rent to pay your
>>> ability
>>> to do anything new diminishes exponentially and once the kids come along
>>> forget about coming up with any radical, industry changing application or
>>> business concept.  If the idea was not incubated when you where in high
>>> school or campus then join the large band of IT vendors as the other
>>> train
>>> has left.
>>> >
>>> > Robert Yawe
>>> > KAY System Technologies Ltd
>>> > Phoenix House, 6th Floor
>>> > P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
>>> > Kenya
>>> >
>>> > Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
>>> >
>>> > ________________________________
>>> > From: Phares Kariuki <pkariuki at gmail.com>
>>> > To: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
>>> > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>> > Sent: Mon, 13 June, 2011 9:01:18
>>> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya's "Silicon Savannah" to challenge India
>>> on
>>> IT
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 8:29 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> This will give you an insight into how we can go from being a talk
>>> shop
>>> and baby cries and get down to doing some serious productive work.
>>> >> Without fear I will repeat what I commented previously "money follows
>>> great ideas; period". I also like a comment from a Google employee, in
>>> one
>>> of the documentaries, "Google is an extension of college"
>>> >
>>> > What's the first step?
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > With Regards,
>>> >
>>> > Phares Kariuki
>>> >
>>> > | T: +254 720 406 093 | E: pkariuki at gmail.com | Twitter: kaboro |
>>> Skype:
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>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 09:49:28 +0300
>>> From: james ratemo <jratemo at gmail.com>
>>> To: bitange at jambo.co.ke
>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Mhealth and medical cloud services
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>>> I would like to attend...please let the one involved in organizing
>>> confirm
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 5:00 AM, <bitange at jambo.co.ke> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Listers,
>>> > The breakfast meeting on medical cloud services will be at the Serena
>>> on
>>> > the 16th morning starting at the 7am.  The sponsor has graciously
>>> accepted
>>> > to have at list 10 of you.
>>> >
>>> > Please let us have confirmations on the list.  They will respond to you
>>> > directly.  I will not involve myself with the details of this invite.
>>> >
>>> > Ndemo.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Sent from my BlackBerry?
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: "Harry Delano" <harry at comtelsys.co.ke>
>>> > Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>>> > Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 20:20:46
>>> > To: <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
>>> > Reply-To: harry at comtelsys.co.ke
>>> > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya's "Silicon Savannah" to challenge India
>>> on IT
>>> >
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