[kictanet] Of Vision 2030 and Misplaced Priorities

Tue Jun 7 11:43:42 EAT 2011

Bobby,

I beg to differ with that approach it is as good as saying everyone for
himself and God for us all. We are discussing an issue that will impact a
nation as a whole, we are used to taking the what is in it for me route
which is not bad since we are in a capitalist society but is there harm to
bring our synergies together and work on a lasting solution?, the issue here
is that Malaria may be an issue in Western and Nyanza so do we live it to
people from those areas to sort themselves out? lest we forget that it is
such things that make people from as close as Isiolo refer to Nairobi as
Kenya since they are not part and parcel of issues that we are discussing
such as these, this is not an issue that will be resolved though automation
alone it will need techies, clerks , village elders et al to make them work,
lets not forget that for a long time Research findings from Gartner have
always shown  a 70 percent failure rate of most ICT initiatives and projects
because of soft issues that we are sweeping under the carpet, i chose this
title on the premises that a Healthy Nation is a Wealthy Nation and we might
focus on building an economy and forget the people who are the real workers
(no wonders corporations shake when Atwoli sneezes), lets not forget the
fact that 5 years ago we were discussing the digital divide in all manner of
forums how are we sure that the Techno City will not enhance the digital
divide?, procurement issues are likely to arise once the applications have
been done , i have seen people making noise as to who invented the globally
acclaimed MPESA, is this the direction we want to take and start lamenting.
Sooner or later we will create a nation of activists.

On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 8:32 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Its open source and I believe it would run on Linux and its cloud based so
> can utilise thin clients and finally its what you do for a living.
>
> My proposal is that you develop the app, assuming the time taken was to
> respond to a rfp, host it on your pc and then demonstrate it to us at which
> point we shall be justified in harassing the PS and any other decision
> makers like KICT Board.
>
> That would be a true case of being ethical about the issue at hand, but if
> all we want is to speculate how we can solve the issue then we are no
> different from the rest of the citizenry which then forces me to echo Dr.
> Ndemo's plea *Mungu tu atusaidie.*
> *
> *
> Regards
>
> Robert Yawe
> KAY System Technologies Ltd
> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
> Kenya
>
> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Phares Kariuki <pkariuki at gmail.com>
>
> *To:* robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk
> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> *Sent:* Mon, 6 June, 2011 17:06:21
>
> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Of Vision 2030 and Misplaced Priorities
>
> We as a society have a general problem with ethics. Corruption will not be
> stopped by technology (as KRA have adequately shown
> http://www.nation.co.ke/business/news/KRA+staff+tamper+with+system/-/1006/1175610/-/4bvxgl/-/index.html
> ).
>
> A system of ethics needs to be ingrained in the country. A realization that
> when you don't do your job/take shortcuts/cut corners/bribe etc the
> consequences go beyond your immediate short term gain... the fact that such
> behaviour in the long run, if goes unchecked affects you... I think what's
> worse for me is that while 'our generation' had a proper grounding in ethics
> etc and chose to depart from them, the newer generation ships with flawed
> function i.e. ask an 18 year old if it's wrong to overlap in traffic, he
> won't agree, it's behaviour he has seen since he was a child...
>
> With regards to software for hospitals, it's rather simple to build and
> maintain an Open Source cloud based repository and get hosting for it, I
> guess the biggest question would be whether anyone would use it... I have a
> background in cloud computing/virtualization etc and would be willing to
> volunteer my time for the same...
>
> On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 3:39 PM, Josiah Mugambi <jmugambi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> *Yesterday I watched a documentary titled Facebook Obsession and I liked
>> a statement by a former Facebook employee who said that "at Facebook you
>> do not say I think or I have an idea, what you do is develop a prototype and
>> then present that to your peers"*
>>
>> Agreed! Let's walk the talk.
>> --
>> Josiah Mugambi
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 2:41 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
>>
>>>  Hi,
>>>
>>> Yesterday I watched a documentary titled Facebook Obsession and I liked a
>>> statement by a former Facebook employee who said that "at Facebook you
>>> do not say I think or I have an idea, what you do is develop a prototype and
>>> then present that to your peers"
>>>
>>> Such a culture explains why Facebook is as successful as it is and all we
>>> do here is cry like suckling babies, if someone has a solution to this issue
>>> just develop the app and present it, this theoretical approach to
>>> dealing with issues needs to come to a sudden and abrupt end.
>>>
>>> I feel we are producing too many theorists in our Universities and its is
>>> time we concentrated on practical courses as is done in technical colleges
>>> otherwise we are doomed as clerks.  Former Presidents Moi was trying to sort
>>> this issue out with the 8-4-4 system which we keep trying to kill with no
>>> justification.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Robert Yawe
>>> KAY System Technologies Ltd
>>> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
>>> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
>>> Kenya
>>>
>>> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi at gmail.com>
>>>
>>> *To:* robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk
>>> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions < >
>>> *Sent:* Mon, 6 June, 2011 13:16:59
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Of Vision 2030 and Misplaced Priorities
>>>
>>> Let me not be mistaken that I am faulting Vision 2030  - thats the topic
>>> picked on by Gachagua - rather my concern is in the health sector. Nurses
>>> and medical officers usually take over the roles of doctors in many
>>> public hospitals , and will always subscribe medicine based on symptoms. The
>>> Labs might not be well equipped for diagnosis on various tropical ailments.
>>> As for personnel, we do have some great ones, though it appears our best
>>> have already been lured away , see related story
>>> http://allafrica.com/stories/201106060136.html
>>>
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>
> --
> With Regards,
>
> Phares Kariuki
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