[kictanet] [Skunkworks] Are we letting the PS get away with this too?

Tue Jan 18 13:23:23 EAT 2011

Here is one that doesnt require an economist to think through. Scrap all
taxes that are collected at the salary stage (cause some guys have found a
way to get away from them) so everyone goes home with 100% of their salary.
Then using some computation spread that into VAT charged on goods and
services (say even raise it to 18%) . That way the poor will pay taxes, the
rich will pay taxes...

On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 1:18 PM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack at gmail.com>wrote:

> You have a point Brainiac, there are many factors in your argument which
> need to be tackled and as such we may need expert opinion on some issues, a
> corporate entity is treated as a person  and as the saying goes one mans
> meat is another mans poison, what are the implications of certain moves on
> new market entrants? How will the other Telcos survive in the market?, this
> is where regulation comes in to ensure a piece of cake for everyone.
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 1:09 PM, [Brainiac] <arebacollins at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> @barrack I have not torn into CCK at any point in my discourse, just
>> expressed my exasperation at the inaction. But just tell me so i
>> understand,
>>
>> 1: Is the tax rate that GOK has on safaricom higher than the one levied on
>> other similarly strained (resources, support...e.t.c) providers?
>> 2: Is it proper (in the natural justice realm) to assuage these providers
>> by giving them a "level playing field" tilted in the favour of safaricom?
>> 3: Is whether or not the pricing model is sustainable a decision that GOK
>> is responsible for? or is it CCK or is it the Ksh 2M++ a month CEO and
>> management team of safaricom.
>>
>> The Way I see it, GOK is subverting a Strategy (Airtel has clearly
>> declared that the pricing wars to them are a strategy to raise market share)
>> to retain Safaricom's dominance, hence revenue (through shareholding). Just
>> how is this good / fair / balanced action by the relevant authorities?
>>
>> lastly, whether the taxman is meeting the targets or not should be an
>> issue of performance and (if my memory serves me right) a constitutionally
>> required participatory action. Tying the implementation of the constitution
>> to the price wars in the Telko is to me drawing the line way way too far.
>> Its politics, not economics.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Barrack Otieno <
>> otieno.barrack at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Well it is within the  democratic right of the PS to comment on the issue
>>> at least he gave an opinion which i tend to agree with but need some more
>>> education on the pricing of calls, i also think CCK has attained a certain
>>> level of independence contrary to what our good friend Brainiac says, (i
>>> stand to be corrected on this)  we need input from economists on the long
>>> term effects of this price changes to the industry considering the fact that
>>> we have not yet attained Universal Access, there are some parts like Archers
>>> Post in Eastern  that dont have very good coverage, i have an uncanny
>>> feeling they might not be sustainable in the long run, i would love to hear
>>> the opinion of technocrats on this lists, either way the government needs to
>>> set a level playing field to guarantee stability of businesses.
>>>
>>> Best Regards
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 12:43 PM, Solomon Mburu Kamau <
>>> solo.mburu at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The PS should have said the government will get less tax and not
>>>> derailment of the constitution implementation.
>>>>
>>>> I think this is just a way of making Kenyans guilty of swtiching to a
>>>> lower tarrif, lest the 'constitution will not be implemented'.
>>>>
>>>> Seriously, how many taxes do we pay directly and or indirectly to the
>>>> government?
>>>>
>>>> Talk about a selfish government.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 18/01/2011, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > low pricing = less tax collected
>>>> >
>>>> > If im paying 3 bob per minute and the govt takes 10%(just as an
>>>> example)
>>>> > thats 30cts per minute for govt
>>>> > if its 10% of 1 bob thats 10 cts per minute
>>>> >
>>>> > When everyone if forced to take prices down to 1 bob.....then less
>>>> revenue
>>>> > overrall
>>>> >
>>>> > On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 12:29 PM,
>>>> > <ashok+skunkworks at parliaments.info<ashok%2Bskunkworks at parliaments.info>
>>>> <ashok%2Bskunkworks at parliaments.info<ashok%252Bskunkworks at parliaments.info>
>>>> >
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 12:11 PM, Joram Mwinamo <
>>>> joram.mwinamo at gmail.com>
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >> > This is more an economic discussion than it is a digital one
>>>> >> > What he means is that the price war will deny the govt of revenues
>>>> >> through
>>>> >> > Tax which is needed heavily to finance the new constitutions
>>>> >> implementation
>>>> >> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >> How will a mobile price war deny government of tax revenues ?
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