[kictanet] Standing on the shoulders of giants

Thu Jan 13 15:36:36 EAT 2011

Hi Listers,

To echo what Lico has so charmingly articulated, JKUAT/JKUATES got a consultancy 
in 2009 to develop a curriculum for converting ICT upstarts to digital village 
managers/entrepreneurs from ICT Board. We developed 12 fantastic modules in all 
areas such how to start and manage a business successfully in ICT sector. I am 
sure Paul can avail that curriculum which they used to train 7000 budding ICT 
entrepreneurs in all Kenyan districts/counties. We used local case studies like 
Liko's etc.. and so there is no need to go for international one suit fit all 
how to manage business downloads.

My team at JKUAT are still available for anybody who require them

But as somebody said, there is a big difference between entrepreneurs and 
business people. 

ENTREPRENEURS MAKE SYSTEMIC CHANGES, BUSINESS PEOPLE MAKE A LITTLE PROFIT FOR A 
WHILE AND THEN PERISH

Over to you all and happy new year

Charles

 CHARLES N. NDUATI
GENERAL MANAGER
JKUAT ENTERPRISES LTD
JOMO KENYATTA UNIVERSITY OF AGRICULTURE AND TECHNOLOGY
JUJA MAIN CAMPUS, THIKA
P. O. BOX 79324-00200
NAIROBI, KENYA
TEL: 254-067-52420 OR 254-067-52711 FAX: 254-067-52438
MOBILE:254-722728815
EMIAL:charlesnduati2002 at yahoo.co.uk,cnduati at gmail.com,bm at jkuates.jkuat.ac.ke
www.jkuat.ac.ke

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From: Agosta Liko <agostal at gmail.com>
To: charlesnduati2002 at yahoo.co.uk
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Sent: Thu, 13 January, 2011 15:03:11
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Standing on the shoulders of giants

The main challenge with our ecosystem, is that there is a disjoint between the 
policy makers and the doers ...

The policy makers attend these big grand meetings, come up with strategy and 
write documents about the same. They have a better track record at getting money 
...... to create the documents. They have access to the worldbank, IFC, the 
foundations etc etc.

The doers .... do. But they don't have as much access to money and in most 
cases, most policy makers don't even know them unless they scale to a certain 
level

To make life just a little bit easier, the policy makers and the doers need to 
meet more often so that documents show whats actually on the ground. That means 
all these people with think tank jobs should spend more time at the ihub, 
skunk-works, Mobile Monday and such fora so that they get a better understanding 
of whats going on.

Dr Ndemo and Paul Kukubo in my view are policy makers {from Government} who are 
spending a fair amount of time learning about whats going on at the grassroots 
and they have done a good job setting up events and even funding some 
initiatives ... for that, I say kudos

my two cents

On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 9:20 AM, robertyawe<robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Hi,
>
>
>I believe we are missing a critical point and since the PS said "we need to be 
>honest to one another", our so called great developers want the fame 
>of Zuckerberg without the sweat and I request you all watch the movie Social 
>Network to better appreciate what it took to create facebook.
>
>
>To make any major breakthrough you first and foremost need the heart and 
>enthusiasm for what you are doing and not just the vision of the expected 
>financial gain.  When Ronaldinho was horning his soccer skills on the streets 
>of Porto Alegrehe was not thinking of the billions he will earn when he becomes 
>a star he played for the passion of the sport.
>
>
>Safaricom is not a charitable organisation and if you actual develop, not 
>imagine, a radically industry shifting product like MPesa or facebook then not 
>only Safaricom but the other players in the industry will beat a path to your 
>doorstep but so long as you put the money before the product then we might as 
>well forget about development.
>
>
>I have a live example of 2 law students who spent countless hours with no return 
>to develop what is now the leading electronic version of the laws of Kenya. 
> When they came to me what they needed was computers, office space and web 
>access, they already had the passion and energy which is something that money 
>can not buy.  
>
>
>For the icing on the cake, there is another developer who currently runs the 
>site www.live.mystocks.co.ke which is the leading stock market information 
>portal developed the initial site www.mystocks.co.ke from the challenge from me 
>that there where no good developers just programmers in Kenya.  Well he proved 
>me wrong without hin raising the issues of money, partnership, legal 
>environment, government support or standing on giants shoulders. With the way 
>this product is going any serious service provider will soon be blazing a bath 
>to the door.
>
>
>Let us live up to our peculiar ways and stop textbook approaches to a never 
>before experienced problem, so before you stand on the shoulders of the giant 
>make sure that are aware of your presence there cause one wrong move by the 
>giant and all will be over.
>
>
>Regards
> Robert Yawe
>KAY System Technologies Ltd
>Phoenix House, 6th Floor
>P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
>Kenya
>
>
>Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
>
>
>
>
>
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>To: robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk
>Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>Sent: Wed, 12 January, 2011 19:34:03
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>
>The problem is not having a framework.  Watch Social Network, how Zuckerberg 
>created facebook.  On his own, he could not have gone far.  We need to work in 
>teams providing different capabilities and simply be honest to one  another.  We 
>cannot succeed if our consideration for capabilities is where you come from.  We 
>mus subordinate our individual interest and pride for the greater benefits that 
>change society.
>
>Ndemo.
>
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