<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt">Hi Listers,<br><br>To echo what Lico has so charmingly articulated, JKUAT/JKUATES got a consultancy in 2009 to develop a curriculum for converting ICT upstarts to digital village managers/entrepreneurs from ICT Board. We developed 12 fantastic modules in all areas such how to start and manage a business successfully in ICT sector. I am sure Paul can avail that curriculum which they used to train 7000 budding ICT entrepreneurs in all Kenyan districts/counties. We used local case studies like Liko's etc.. and so there is no need to go for international one suit fit all how to manage business downloads.<br><br>My team at JKUAT are still available for anybody who require them<br><br>But as somebody said, there is a big difference between entrepreneurs and business people. <br>ENTREPRENEURS MAKE
SYSTEMIC CHANGES, BUSINESS PEOPLE MAKE A LITTLE PROFIT FOR A WHILE AND THEN PERISH<br><br>Over to you all and happy new year<br><br>Charles<br><br> <br><div> </div>CHARLES N. NDUATI<br>GENERAL MANAGER<br>JKUAT ENTERPRISES LTD<br>JOMO KENYATTA UNIVERSITY OF AGRICULTURE AND TECHNOLOGY<br>JUJA MAIN CAMPUS, THIKA<br>P. O. BOX 79324-00200<br>NAIROBI, KENYA<br>TEL: 254-067-52420 OR 254-067-52711 FAX: 254-067-52438<br>MOBILE:254-722728815<br>EMIAL:charlesnduati2002@yahoo.co.uk,cnduati@gmail.com,bm@jkuates.jkuat.ac.ke<br><span><a target="_blank" href="http://www.jkuat.ac.ke">www.jkuat.ac.ke</a></span><div><br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com><br><b><span style="font-weight:
bold;">To:</span></b> charlesnduati2002@yahoo.co.uk<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thu, 13 January, 2011 15:03:11<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [kictanet] Standing on the shoulders of giants<br></font><br>The main challenge with our ecosystem, is that there is a disjoint between the policy makers and the doers ...<br><br>The policy makers attend these big grand meetings, come up with strategy and write documents about the same. They have a better track record at getting money ...... to create the documents. They have access to the worldbank, IFC, the foundations etc etc.<br> <br>The doers .... do. But they don't have as much access to money and in most cases, most policy makers don't even know them unless they scale to a certain level<br><br>To make life just a little bit
easier, the policy makers and the doers need to meet more often so that documents show whats actually on the ground. That means all these people with think tank jobs should spend more time at the ihub, skunk-works, Mobile Monday and such fora so that they get a better understanding of whats going on.<br> <br>Dr Ndemo and Paul Kukubo in my view are policy makers {from Government} who are spending a fair amount of time learning about whats going on at the grassroots and they have done a good job setting up events and even funding some initiatives ... for that, I say kudos<br> <br>my two cents<br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 9:20 AM, robert yawe <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank" href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204,
204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div style="font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-size: 12pt;"></div><div style="font-size: 12pt;">Hi,</div><div style="font-size: 12pt;"> <br></div><div style="font-size: 12pt;">I believe we are missing a critical point and since the PS said "we need to be honest to one another", our so called great developers want the fame of <span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Zuckerberg without the sweat and I request you all watch the movie Social Network to better appreciate what it took to create facebook.</span></div> <div style="font-size: 12pt;"><br></div><div style="font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"></span>To make any major breakthrough you first and foremost need the heart and enthusiasm for what you are doing and not just the vision of the expected financial gain. When Ronaldinho was horning his soccer skills on the
streets of <span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif; font-size: small; line-height: 15px;"><i style="font-weight: bold; font-style: normal;">Porto Alegre </i><i style="font-style: normal;">he was not thinking of the billions he will earn when he becomes a star he played for the passion of the sport.</i></span></div> <div style="font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif; font-size: small; line-height: 15px;"><i style="font-style: normal;"><br></i></span></div> <div style="font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif; font-size: small; line-height: 15px;"><i style="font-style: normal;">Safaricom is not a charitable organisation and if you actual develop, not imagine, a radically industry shifting product like MPesa or facebook then not only Safaricom but the other players in the industry will beat a path to your doorstep but so long as you put the money before the product then we might as well forget about
development.</i></span></div> <div style="font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif; font-size: small; line-height: 15px;"><i style="font-style: normal;"><br></i></span></div> <div style="font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif; font-size: small; line-height: 15px;"><i style="font-style: normal;">I have a live example of 2 law students who spent countless hours with no return to develop what is now the leading electronic version of the laws of Kenya. When they came to me what they needed was computers, office space and web access, they already had the passion and energy which is something that money can not buy. </i></span></div> <div style="font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif; font-size: small; line-height: 15px;"><i style="font-style: normal;"><br></i></span></div> <div><font face="arial, sans-serif" size="2"><span style="line-height: 15px;"><span>For the icing on the
cake, there is another developer who currently runs the site <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.live.mystocks.co.ke">www.live.mystocks.co.ke</a> which is the leading stock market information portal developed the initial site <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.mystocks.co.ke">www.mystocks.co.ke</a> from the challenge from me that there where no good developers just programmers in Kenya. Well he proved me wrong without hin raising the issues of money, partnership, legal environment, government support or standing on giants shoulders. With the way this product is going any serious service provider will soon be blazing a bath to the door.</span></span></font></div> <div style="font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif; font-size: small; line-height: 15px;"><i style="font-style: normal;"><br></i></span></div> <div style="font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif; font-size:
small; line-height: 15px;"><i style="font-style: normal;">Let us live up to our peculiar ways and stop textbook approaches to a never before experienced problem, so before you stand on the shoulders of the giant make sure that are aware of your presence there cause one wrong move by the giant and all will be over.</i></span></div> <div style="font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif; font-size: small; line-height: 15px;"><i style="font-style: normal;"><br></i></span></div> <div style="font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif; font-size: small; line-height: 15px;"><i style="font-style: normal;">Regards</i></span></div> <div style="font-size: 12pt;"> </div><font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif" size="3">Robert Yawe</font><br><font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif" size="3">KAY System Technologies Ltd</font><br> <font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif"
size="3">Phoenix House, 6th Floor</font><br><font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif" size="3">P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200</font><br> <font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif" size="3">Kenya</font><br><br><div style="font-size: 12pt;">Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696<div> <br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> "<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke" target="_blank" href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a>" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke" target="_blank" href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk"
target="_blank" href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank" href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wed, 12 January, 2011 19:34:03<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [kictanet] {Disarmed} Re: Standing on the shoulders of giants<br></font><br> The problem is not having a framework. Watch Social Network, how Zuckerberg created facebook. On his own, he could not have gone far. We need to work in teams providing different capabilities and simply be honest to one another. We cannot succeed if our consideration for capabilities is where you come from. We mus subordinate our individual interest and pride for the
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