[kictanet] Internet "Kadonye" charges

Wed Dec 7 12:20:57 EAT 2011

Robert,

See my comment inline

Regards
...........................................................
Josphat Karanja,
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On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 11:51 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> @Jasphat
>
> Thanks for the update,
>
> A few questions that I would appreciate it if you answered.
>
> 1.  How many of your member institutions provide free WiFi access within
> the campuses?
>
90% of the members have some wi-fi solution of some sort. The difference is
in the reach of the network.

> 2.  Does KENET have a collocation facility where the universities can
> host applications?
>
We have always been offering co-location services for our members at our
two data centers and the 6 PoPs established within the country. Most
University web site are either hosted at KENET or have a mirror at KENET.

> 3.  Does KENET have a plan to work with the mobile providers to offer
> subsidised connectivity to the KENET network?
>
We work with all infrastructure providers and are in constant discussion on
how to enhance user access to our network. As I had mentioned earlier, this
is our focus in the immediate future.

>
> Regards
>
> Robert Yawe
> KAY System Technologies Ltd
> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
> Kenya
>
> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
>   ------------------------------
> *From:* Josphat Karanja <karanjajf at gmail.com>
> *To:* robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 7 December 2011, 9:21
>
> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Internet "Kadonye" charges
>
> @Robert,
>
> At present, KENET is already acting as an exchange point for all
> University and research traffic. Traffic from one KENET member to the next
> stays within the KENET network and does not even get to KIXP. As for
> peering with other research institutes, we are already peering with GEANT
> in London which gives us access to the world wide research network.
>
> Under the Africa Connect project (
> http://www.africaconnect.eu/pages/home.aspx), the idea is to bring the
> Africa research peering "local" within Africa and also to have local
> international peering points for international traffic.
>
> In the near future we are looking for ways to give students and research
> access to this network when they are out of campus.
>
> Regards
> ...........................................................
> Josphat Karanja,
> *
> *
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 8:44 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
>
> @Gitau
>
> Your argument is like asking companies to stop using PBX systems because
> the cost of mobile calling has dropped drastically.
>
> It is not a philanthropic gesture for Google to find ways to keep Kenyan
> traffic local especially in the case of Youtube, if they can see the sense
> why can't we?
>
> Keeping local traffic local was the main mandate of organisations like
> KIXP and the soon to be formed government exchange point.
>
> KENET for all intents and purposes is supposed to be the exchange point
> for universities and tertiary institutions with the ultimate goal of
> covering all institutions of learning which will only be effective if its
> access is based on a different model from bandwidth based access billing.
>
> Let us not become blind to American based connectivity models and develop
> our own home grown solutions let us not loose our peculiarity by not
> continuing to be ingenious.
>
> Regards
>
> Robert Yawe
> KAY System Technologies Ltd
> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
> Kenya
>
> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
>   ------------------------------
> *From:* John Gitau <jgitau at gmail.com>
> *To:* robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk
> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 6 December 2011, 22:53
> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Internet "Kadonye" charges
>
> I don't buy it. The cost per international mb is quite cheap. the cost of
> broadband will drastically drop the moment we have more than three strong
> players using different technologies. Or just widespread wifi - even if
> it's community driven.
>
> Differentiating billing by whether international or local would have
> worked better back when we were on satellites. Today it only makes sense
> maybe for someone hosting a very latency sensitive application. The
> engineering effort to differentiate this traffic might not really make
> 'money' sense...techies would have fun with it though...
>
> Gitau
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 6, 2011, at 9:50 PM, Josphat Karanja <karanjajf at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> @Robert,
>
> The idea would be to have differentiated billing for local and
> international content. That would encourage more local hosting.
>
> Also not that at present and with the current set-up, local access links
> remain expensive compared to the international link.
>
>
> Karanja
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Henry Okatch < <hokatch at gmail.com>
> hokatch at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I agree with you Robert especially the bundle usage
>
> I remember sometime back KDN had such project of hosting local content and
> making it easily accessible but they moved away from retail to corporate
> and I guess it just became a "white elephant"
>
> This I believe would have a great ripple effect of encouraging more
> development of local content and greatly reduce the cost of bandwidth
> seeing that there is alot of local content being appreciated online.
>
> Just my 2 cents
>
> Thanks
> Henry
>
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 1:54 PM, robert yawe < <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
> robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>  Hi,
>
> I am one of the those very fortunate people who rarely buy Internet access
> by the bandwidth or minute as I enjoy a flat rate unlimited access
> whether at home or in the office.
>
> Today morning I needed to use one of the dongle devices as I needed to
> work off-site at one of my few clients who do not have dedicated internet
> access.
>
>  I loaded airtime on the device and proceeded to purchase a bundle,
> within 3 minutes of launching my browser (all 12 tabs) I noticed that I had
> already utilised 1.2 MB @ a rate of Kes. 0.83/- per MB.  Note that I was
> yet to do any useful work as I waited for my desktop to settle.  As you
> might have guessed, by the time I was ready to do some serious income
> generating work the bundle was over.
>
> It is now clear to me why so many of our youth who should be making
> productive use of the Internet are stuck to using only facebook because the
> costs for access are either subsidised or free which reduces an entire
> generation to a single web site.
>
> The kadonye economy definitely transcends to technology products at which
> rate the technology divide is not narrowing any time soon.
>
> I assume that the cost of bandwidth is mainly related to the international
> leg therefore is it possible to have a bundle that allows you unlimited
> access to local sites.
>
> Such a model would encourage the development and hosting of content
> locally.  KENET could set-up peering with educational sites across the
> world whose access would be treated as local and our students would be able
> to benefit from the Internet.
>
> Please accommodate this rant from an occasional dongle user.
>
> Regards
>
> Robert Yawe
> KAY System Technologies Ltd
> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
> Kenya
>
> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
>
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