[kictanet] Bitange for President? Xenophobia

Barrack Otieno otieno.barrack at gmail.com
Tue Aug 16 14:32:32 EAT 2011


Bobby context is key, sometimes tough love works wonders, I am glad
the PS brought this issues up since sooner or later they are likely to
erupt badstyle, to me this is what leadership should be.

On 8/16/11, robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi Harry,
>
> It is careless for PS Ndemo to propagate a xenophobic agenda, the fishermen
> along lake victory never feed the fish and yet they expect the fish to
> always be
> there for the picking.
>
> When someone invests in a trawler and takes the risk of going into the
> deeper
> waters we cry foul.
>
> When someone comes to the lake's show and pays fishermen 20% more than the
> local
> restaurant owner for the fish we cry foul.
>
> When an investor goes to Dubai and brings a large consignment of goods for
> which
> he enjoys bulk discounts and then extends the same to the local trader as
> opposed to the hand luggage stall owner who buys retail in Dubai we cry
> foul.
> When a group of investors pull together their resources to build a shopping
> mall
> in Eastleigh while bypassing the exploitative banking system we call them
> pirates and again cry foul. (On average a shopping mall in Eastleigh has
> over
> 1000 shareholders)
> When a faith decides that they will not have illicit drugs and alcohol sold
> in
> the vicinity of their places of worship and go ahead to rally resources to
> buy
> off such premises and convert them to other types of business we continue to
> cry
> foul.
>
> We need to stop blaming others for our inaction which is why we keep waiting
> for
> the international community to come and solve our issues for us when things
> get
> out of hand.  The case in hand is the famine that we are being told is
> rampant
> in the country yet the food aid could not get through because of floods.
>
> "I ask a none rhetorical question, how long does it take for a cow to die
> from
> lack of water?"
>
> Then suddenly we are all in tears setting up all kinds of funds whose
> largest
> contributors are those who could have prevented the famine in the first
> place
> such as the media who should have brought the issue to our attention before
> it
> become dear but we all know that would never happen because it would have no
> economic benefit.
>
> On the other extreme we have the mobile companies that have refused to
> provide
> network into those remote areas which would have made it possible to receive
> data on the prevailing conditions.
>
> Instead of shedding crocodile tears can we look for sustainable solutions, I
> constantly tell my fellow parishioners of the Christian faith that you give
> cash
> and also your talents.  It is a Cain tithe when a doctor gives cash just to
> go
> to his surgery later and refuse to carry out an operation on a patient who
> could
> not raise the full fee.
>
> The government will put up an irrigation scheme that will provide food
> security
> to over 14,000 families at a cost of Kes. 70 Million imagine what we could
> do
> with the Kes. 500 Million conscience fund if it was effectively utilised.
>
> Harry, none of the issues raised are as a result of Somalis (note that there
> are
> Kenyan Somalis) or any other immigrant community in the country it is all
> the
> work of we useless indigenous Kenyans with out "haki yetu" mentality which
> we
> have exported to Britain and the USA.
>
> Regards
>
> "Nili choka kuletewa maindi na mkebe kama kuku ya kufugwa"
> - A Turukana farmer on why he decided to irrigate his farm and stop
> depending on
> handouts
>
> http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=turkana+drought+farming&aq=f
>  Robert Yawe
> KAY System Technologies Ltd
> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
> Kenya
>
>
> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Harry Delano <harry at comtelsys.co.ke>
> To: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
> Cc: kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> Sent: Mon, 15 August, 2011 19:07:47
> Subject: RE: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Extended due to
> PublicDemand-internet price?
>
> 
>
> Hey Robert,
>
> Perhaps, I could agree with the Ps in part on the need for us  to look at
> what
> our National interests are in face
>
> of such challenges. I believe Governments, world  over have in place
> measures
> that are legal, and that would
> automatically trigger a set of checks and balances to ensure  that certain
> socio-economic and political
>
> equillibrium is maintained. Some of these measures would be in  form of
> incentives to promote locally driven
> enterprise & and also touch land/property ownership  policies.
>
> It would really be foolhardy, for us to close our eyes to  this.
>
> Some of these measures, I do agree with you need not be  varbalized, but
> however
> world over, Governments
> have what we call the "Unspoken Govt policies" to safeguard  national
> interests.
> Of course we need to balance
> this with foreign investment.
>
> Regards,
> Harry
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke] On
> Behalf
> Of robert yawe
> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 6:02  PM
> To: harry at comtelsys.co.ke
> Cc: kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for  President? Extended due to
> PublicDemand-internet price?
>
>
> Daktari,
>
> I  would like to disagree with your proposed approach to dealing with the
> East
> African migration that currently seems to be dominated by relatives from
> Somalia.
>
> Your response is a  clear sign of Xenophobia like was  experienced in South
> Africa against the Zimbabweans and Kenyans.   The holocaust was also
> precipitated by the continuous  verbalising of such sentiments.
>
> We all know that nature  abhors a vacuum, we have created a vacuum in the
> business environment which has  quickly been filled by mother nature.  As a
> nation we have refused to  become professional business people we still look
> down at those who use the term  to describe themselves as we are  mainly
> trained
> to be clerks which explains the large number of us returning to  college to
> do
> masters in business administration.
>
> Since all of us want to  become administrators someone needs to create the
> businesses for us to  administer, initially it was the Asian and now it is
> the
> Somalis.  The post  election violence for a result of such sentiments that a
> certain ethnic group  was taking over a certain region.
>
>
> Let us stop blaming the  Somalis for our lack of skills or will to innovate
> and
> instead move forward to  develop the attitude that will reward the free
> thinker
> over the  structured imitator.
>
> I believe that as a  presidential candidate you need to realise that we are
> not
> an island and for our  citizens to flourish in the other East African
> countries
> we must learn  to accommodate our neighbours when they are here.
>
> Regards
>  Robert Yawe
> KAY System Technologies  Ltd
> Phoenix House, 6th  Floor
> P O Box 55806 Nairobi,  00200
> Kenya
>
>
> Tel:  +254722511225, +254202010696
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: "bitange at jambo.co.ke"  <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
> To: robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk
> Cc: kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> Sent: Sun, 14 August, 2011  20:35:06
> Subject: Re:  [kictanet] Bitange for President? Extended due to Public
> Demand-internet  price?
>
> William,
> Today after a game of Tennis, I decided to hang  out in the sauna for a
> while.  I was delighted to see a colleague from  University of Nairobi and
> a prominent professor of Biochemistry.  There  were other three club
> members.  The professor narrated how for the first  time in his life time
> while in Kisumu he had to settle for cat fish and ugali  for his lunch on
> Saturday.  There is no Tilapia he said.  An Asian  businessman originally
> from Kisumu who sat next to me indeed confirmed that  all the fish business
> is the hands of Somali community which seems to have  struck some gold mine
> in fish.  He said noted “real estateb in all major  towns is now in their
> hands too”.
>
> The talk drifted into what such  enormous resource could do to the country
> if the resource were to be used to  buy our gullible politicians.  You
> could sense the helplessness in the  small steamy cubicle.  Although others
> felt that there was a plan being  executed by one community to dominate the
> economy in all major towns of  Kenya, I had to warn them that such talk can
> be dangerous and amount to  discrimination against another community.  I
> bring these discussions  here because there are murmurs all over on the
> Somali Community spending on  property without clear sources of the funds.
> Until we discuss this matter  with open mind, it is disaster we are
> courting.
>
> We are indeed faced  with very difficult decisions in this country.  There
> is need to get to  the bottom of this matter since we know it will be a
> problem in future if we  do not address it now.  A large number of Somali
> have migrated to  Kenya.  In other countries such an influx is monitored
> closely even when  there is no threat to state security.  I remember in
> 1983 the Kenyan  community in Minnesota numbered about fifteen.  By 1987,
> the community  had grown to about 1,000 and eating a lot of corn meal to
> the extent that it  became a major story in US media.  Local ABC news
> reported new immigrant  community that has wiped out all the corn meal in
> the Twin Cities area.   We have no account of the characteristics of our
> new  immigrants.
>
>
> This is where ICTs begins to help us manage the  development of our people.
> At every entry, we must take electronic finger  prints of every person
> getting into the country.  We must also get a  tamper prove ID.  This can
> be done along the lines of the Public Key  Infrastructure.  We must begin
> to release land registration records on  to the open data platform.  This
> will indeed help trace ill gotten  properties that in many ways compromise
> the ability of local people in  affording such properties.
>
> Good leadership is a product of informed  citizens and embracing a
> participatory approach.  This is how we can  move forward together.
>
> Keep hope alive.  One  Kenya.
>
>
> Regards
>
>
> Ndemo
>
>
>
>
>>  Daktari,
>>
>>
>> Your story about the trip, environment and lack  of planning is truly
>> reflective of the sad situation we find ourselves  in. There is also the
>> nostalgia you and the pilot shared over the  desecration of the
>> environment. Thanks for jogging memories on certain  key facts about the
>> changing environmental conditions.
>>
>>  Janak
>>
>> --- On Sat, 8/13/11, bitange at jambo.co.ke <bitange at jambo.co.ke>  wrote:
>>
>> From: bitange at jambo.co.ke <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
>>  Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Extended due to Public
>>  Demand-internet price?
>> To: williamjanak at yahoo.com
>> Cc: kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>>  Date: Saturday, August 13, 2011, 4:57 PM
>>
>> Walubengo,
>> You  can dig for your answer in my write up below.
>>
>> This week I had an  opportunity to fly to Laikipia for a lunch meeting
>> with
>> investors who  wanted to kill two birds with one stone by having a Safari
>> and discuss  business at the same time.  They paid the bill.  The one
>>  hour
>> flight to and from Laikipia got my head spinning.  The pilot  has been
>> flying here for more than thirty years and has seen many  physical changes
>> in Central, Eastern and Rift Valley.  I pestered  him with many
>> questions.
>>
>> At some point he told me that all the  rivers that flow through Central
>> Kenya had crystal clear water in the  7o's and 80's but as farmers
>> encroached on riparian land, soil erosion  crept in and now they are all
>> red dragging the best of soils into the  Indian Ocean.  In spite of
>> several
>> Departments of  Geography in our Universities there are little or no
>> studies on the long  term effects of what is happening to our ecosystem.
>> We study both human  and physical geography not to apply the knowledge but
>> as a means to get  papers for employment.
>>
>> A quick research will tell you that we  are not only food insecure but
>> also
>> water  insecure.   Although Kenya’s water per capita in cubic  meters
>> at 647
>> is above world average 360, we do not compare well  with other progressive
>> countries such as India at 1,911 and China at  2,840.  We were better at
>> independence since we had many dams  built by the British but are now
>> non-existent.  People planted  Ndumas in most of the dams.  We must now
>> admit we did not know the  impact and still we do not know until our
>> academics get down to work on  research.
>>
>> Soil erosion means we are also eroding the most arable  land in the
>> country.  Per capita arable land in Kenya measures  only .14 hectare per
>> person.  Here we fall below the world average  of .21 hectare per person.
>> The statistic implies the world must manage  this resource better in order
>> to feed everybody.  The British had  started this policy on African
>> reserves sort of rural  urbanization.  We rightly shunned it but without
>> studies to look  into our future.  We must re-introduce this with a
>> better
>> name and  better housing with all utilities.  My research findings on
>> such
>>  housing will cost about Ksh. 200,000 per unit of three bedrooms.   In
>> other
>> words we can construct 340,000 households from the  Goldenberg loot if we
>> were to recover it.  This will translate to  all of Northern Kenya from
>> Kacheliba to Wajir.
>>
>> We have  about 6 million households in Kenya of which 3 million can afford
>> to pay  for such a house or better.  The Government can indeed manage to
>>  build for the remainder through improved tax collections (we pay about
>> 40%
>> of the potential income tax and about 20% of the potential local
>> authority
>> taxes such as rates).  Of course there will be other  savings from health
>> budget that goes into opportunistic diseases that we  can eliminate from
>> the face of Kenya.  These include water borne  diseases.  Typhoid alone
>> costs Kenya billions that need to be used  to improve the livelihood of
>> our
>> people and meet the constitutional  demands.
>>
>> Therefore, the question on Lake Victoria water will not  arise if we
>> dammed
>> all the waters that flow into the lake and  elsewhere.  As for affordable
>> prices for broadband, I have no  doubts that we shall meet this even
>> before
>> the end of this year.   The shared infrastructure negotiations are going
>> on
>>  smoothly.  In a few weeks time we should move forward with the LTE  open
>> access program.  If we all understand the open access  principle where
>> big
>> and small will use the infrastructure at same access  cost.  More agile
>> companies will indeed provide very competitive  pricing.  As we move the
>> Government more online, the more the  number of internet users meaning we
>> shall reach the critical mass much  faster.  With the critical mass and
>> many providers, the price can  only go downwards.
>>
>> The biggest problem and one asked by Monda is  the question of vested
>> interests.  I know some sectors have a real  problem with this issue and
>> negatively impacts on our economic  growth.  In our sector we have been
>> lucky in the sense that much  of what we do is new and the rapid
>> technological changes discourage  power brokers who may entrench
>> themselves
>> to build strong vested  interest.  This is not to say that we are not
>> often
>> asked  to do things differently.  Our savior is going to be open
>>  government
>> and in this I pray that every Kenyan understands this concept  because it
>> has a way of not only dealing with vested interest but also  impunity in a
>> way.  If I had time I could delve into this  more.  To date I do not
>> think
>> even media has understood  this powerful tool.
>>
>> Back to my flight.  Coming back I  found myself humming Jim Reeves’
>> song
>> “we thank thee each morning  for a new born day ….. we thank thee for
>> the
>> sunshine and air  we breathe, for the rivers that run, for the birds that
>> sing, for the  eyes to see this things…unfortunately we may not hear the
>> birds sing  since from above you can see that we have eliminated their
>> habitat –  percent of total land area in Kenya covered by forest is 2%
>> compared to  world average of 31%.  We may not see the rivers as they
>> were
>>  before since all our soils are polluting the what remains of rivers as
>>  eucalyptus has swallowed much of the water and wetlands.
>>
>>  Hovering over many towns across the land you get hurt by what you see.
>>  Although there are planners in all local authorities you see a cry of
>>  unplanned structures with visible problems of managing solid waste.Â
>> You
>> simply see chaos in a country with literacy levels approaching  90%.Â
>> What
>> you see are the sources of many diseases and problems  such as the jigger
>> menace in some parts of the  country.   I grew up fairly poor but we
>> did
>> not have  this level of disorganization.  At least health officers did
>>  something to prevent many diseases.  I saw dirty butcheries and
>>  restaurants closed by health officers.  There was a semblance of
>> planned
>> dukas.  Where the madness of unplanningness came from I do  not know but
>> this is one of the things “candidate� Ndemo will deal  with.
>>
>> In conclusion, we must make very tough decisions if we  want a better
>> future.  I know the new constitution has brought all  sorts of rights but
>> it is all nonsense if we undermine the future with  unplanned population,
>> unplanned urban centers, unplanned future,  etc.   There must be no
>> rights
>> without  responsibility.
>>
>>
>>  Ndemo.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Bw  PS,
>>>
>>> nice insights you have below.  Mine is  simply to ask what your
>>> thoughts
>>> are, in terms of making  consumer internet prices affordable. Yes, cost
>>> of
>>>  bandwidth at international gateway level used to be 5,000USD per MB
>>>  (over
>>> satellite) but now it has dropped below  500USD per  MB.  Basically
>>> it
>>> has dropped by 10 times -  HOWEVER- in our cyber cafes, the cost of
>>> accessing internet is still  1/- to 2/- per minute, pretty much what it
>>> was
>>> during  the satellite days.
>>>
>>> Mobile data internet which is the  more common form of access is not any
>>> cheaper either.   There's has been NO  drop per-se, just marketing
>>> gimmicks of  increasing the amount of bandwidth for the same (HIGH)
>>>  price.
>>> It is like saying lunch costs 2,500/= at some 5star hotel,  but since
>>> there
>>> has been good rains/harvest, for the  same 2,500/= you are free to eat
>>> ALL
>>> you want...sounds  good, but ONLY for those who could afford the 2,500/=
>>> lunch bracket  in the first place - who unfortunately are not
>>> many....particularly  in an economy whose average monthly income is
>>> around
>>>  8,000sh.
>>>
>>> So how do you intend to tackle the internet  price problem when you get
>>> to
>>> be  President?
>>>
>>> walu.
>>>
>>> --- On Fri,  8/12/11, bitange at jambo.co.ke <bitange at jambo.co.ke>  wrote:
>>>
>>> From: bitange at jambo.co.ke <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
>>>  Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Extended due to  Public
>>> Demand
>>> To: jwalu at yahoo.com
>>> Cc: kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>>>  Date: Friday, August 12, 2011, 9:01 PM
>>>
>>>  Harry,
>>> Yes there is a crisis virtually in every country at the  moment.  The
>>> difference is how you handle the  situation.  In Britain the Prime
>>> Minister
>>>  thought he can take a vacation in Italy and forget what is going on  at
>>> home but he was forced to dash home.  Before I respond to  how we take
>>> care
>>> of our crisis, I felt there is a  patriotism lesson that we need to learn
>>> from  Britain.
>>>
>>> The first reports we got in our News papers  here and even in electronic
>>> media, there was no cause of the crisis  in Britain.  It was simply
>>> reported that London is  burning.  Some of our best media houses with
>>> so
>>>  many journalists forgot to ask questions like what, where, when,  why,
>>> etc.
>>>  This would have helped us  understand.  This is because the British
>>> Media
>>>  (from where our Media got the story) first looks at their
>>>  country’s
>>> interests first and everything else is  secondary.  Does our Media
>>> have
>>> what they call  Kenyan or African interests?  If they did, they would
>>>  have
>>> raised issues relating to racism and African Diaspora.   We shall be
>>> more
>>> respected if we had the interest of  those in the Diaspora at heart be
>>> they
>>> from Bahamas or  Nigeria.
>>>
>>> How do we respond to our crisis?  This  should not be a government
>>> project.
>>>Â  The entire  society needs a lesson on respecting other human beings
>>> because this  where our problems start and will open up greater
>>>  opportunity
>>> and sustained harmony for all humanity.  In  other countries they make
>>> an
>>> effort to socially  integrate all citizens of different economic classes.
>>> Let me  elaborate.  In Kenya a good mechanic will never be found
>>>  drinking
>>> with a corporate CEO but in other countries it happens and  sometimes you
>>> find they are neighbours.  It is not common  you find a woman with an
>>> undergraduate degree married to a plumber  for example.  We have
>>> defined
>>> classes that we  try everything to belong to.  We do not have good
>>> plumbers,  mechanics, carpenters etc in this country yet we have thousand
>>>  s
>>> looking for white collar jobs.
>>>
>>> I am sure  most of you have watched Cheers.  The artists in the bar
>>> are  a
>>> postman, a doctor, other professional, bar maids and men having a  common
>>> goal.  Where no one thinks or feels they know more  than the
>>> other.  This
>>> is the begging of building  a harmonious society that no one feels left
>>> out.  The rift  we have created just needs a small thing like shooting
>>> a
>>>  drug dealer (as in the UK) then hell will break loose.  We must  not
>>> forget
>>> that this happened in China in 1949 when the  Maoists took over.  They
>>> literary killed anybody who seemed  to be from upper class.  Land
>>> reform
>>> was the  major focus of policy as a result of China's vast rural
>>> population,  around 90% of the population were farmers. Lands of former
>>> landlords  were confiscated by the government and subsequently
>>> redistributed to  the lower-class peasants.  Do not forget the French
>>>  revolution.
>>>
>>> Discrimination in any form should be  shunned.  This is because it is
>>> the
>>> basis of all  problems be it class or tribalism.    Three of my
>>>  close
>>> friends have experience that summarizes what I have tried  to
>>> explain.ÂÂ
>>> Mr.
>>> X got six and  eighteen points at O and A levels respectively.  At
>>>  university he came out with 1st class in Electrical Engineering and
>>>  joined
>>> the then EAPL and later obtained an MBA.  Mr. Y had  division II and
>>> could
>>> not afford high school but went to  Kenya Science Teachers to become a
>>> teacher.  Mr. Z also  passed his O levels with Division III and joined
>>> Barclays Bank as a  Clerical officer.  They have struggled in their
>>>  own
>>> ways and of the four of us Z is the wealthiest.  Any  time I am with
>>> X, he
>>> complains why I should even have  time for Y and Z.  Y by the way has
>>> struggled for many years  and he will soon get his PhD.  According to
>>> X
>>>  these are not our class of people.  He loathes Z as one who  failed
>>> and
>>> now
>>> possibly has earned his  wealth through corrupt means.  In spite of
>>> the
>>>  fact that I have tried to ask X to forget the past, he feels he  belongs
>>> to
>>> a different class and hangs around some of  the “successful�
>>> people.
>>> Although I have  never disclosed this to Y and Z their sixth sense leads
>>> them to  discriminate X from some events.  At some point we were four
>>>  young
>>> lads who enjoyed life together but now pulling a part because  of
>>> differences in the way we led our lives after high  school.  I hear
>>> and
>>> see
>>> this kind of  stories often and make me feel bad about class division in
>>> our  country.
>>>
>>> I have had the privilege of deciding who my  assistants should be but not
>>> once have I ever picked someone because  we spoke the same vernacular
>>> language.  My current office is  a living example and after leading by
>>> example, all of my senior  officers followed suit.  This is how we
>>> should
>>>  begin to tackle the problem of tribalism.  We also must  ensure
>>> equitable
>>> distribution of resources and start  connecting all the counties with
>>> roads, energy, water, schools and  hospitals.  We have already
>>> connected
>>> fibre  optics to all the counties and are in the process of covering the
>>>  pockets that exist.  Even with difficult times we have managed  to
>>> balance
>>> infrastructure development to all parts of  the country.  We shall
>>> continue
>>> with similar  strategies.
>>>
>>> To achieve my objectives, I take you back to  building sustained regional
>>> influence and develop the HUB concept in  everything here in Kenya.
>>> Transportation, ICT, Industrialization,  and practically everything Hub.
>>> Of course some of our neighbours  will feel jealous.   This is
>>> what  we
>>> need
>>> in a sustained way because it will help  galvanize Kenyans against some
>>> external  “aggressor�.  President Museveni used this
>>>  effectively to
>>> get
>>> Ugandans behind him when he claimed  Migingo as a strategy to get
>>> re-elected.  Let us do good to  the entire East Africa by building the
>>> rail
>>> up to Goma,  Adis, Juba, Dar and Arusha all terminating in Nairobi.ÂÂ
>>>  We
>>> must build major transit and logistics airport and make it cheap  to
>>> access
>>> it to all rail destinations.  Develop  capacity to serve the entire
>>> world
>>> back  offices.   From this we shall create a pull effect on  our
>>> agriculture.  Let me not disclose the entire  strategy.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>>
>>>  Ndemo.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Bw Ps,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your articulative responses...  Indeed looking at events
>>>> cutting
>>>> across the  globe
>>>> now, one wakes up to a realization that we face similar  socio-economic
>>>> challenges. Bottom
>>>> line, is how  do we respond. And respond we must. But consequently this
>>>>  is
>>>> what makes the
>>>> huge difference between moving  forward purposefully to achieve progress
>>>> and
>>>>  backpeddling on
>>>> the other hand.
>>>>
>>>>  We'd also wish to understand what strategies would be put in place  to
>>>> ensure
>>>> a balanced
>>>>  infrastractural development across the regions. I suppose much of  the
>>>> concentration right
>>>> now is around the  Capital and it's environs at the expense of the rest
>>>>  of
>>>> the country.
>>>> How about dealing with the great  tribalism "monster".
>>>>
>>>> 3rdly, what  strategies/plans do you have in place to achieve this dream
>>>>  you
>>>> have.
>>>>
>>>>  Harry
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original  Message-----
>>>> From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>>>>  [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke]
>>>> On
>>>> Behalf Of bitange at jambo.co.ke
>>>>  Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 3:32 PM
>>>> To: harry at comtelsys.co.ke
>>>>  Cc: kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>>>>  Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Extended due to  Public
>>>> Demand
>>>>
>>>>  Grace,
>>>> Thank you for extending the debate to Monday.  I  hope I get time to
>>>> articulate some of the issues that will  impact our lives in the next
>>>> few
>>>> years.   Earlier I said that we are not alone in how we are dealing
>>>>  with
>>>> our
>>>> social development.  I went  ahead and gave examples from the US and
>>>> UK.
>>>>  Although it is an unfortunate for the British people, it has come  to
>>>> pass.
>>>> Even the Central Bank we got some good  debate out of my post.
>>>>
>>>> Leadership requires  selfless commitment to the people they lead.  It
>>>>  is
>>>> a
>>>> sacrifice one makes.  In this  respect, I will seek for advisors who
>>>> have
>>>>  demonstrated ability to serve their country with dedication.   We
>>>> have
>>>> these
>>>> people but they  have never been given a chance to lead. The
>>>>  constitution
>>>> has
>>>> accorded us the opportunity to  search for such people.
>>>> If you read today's front page Standard,  it has the requirement for
>>>> those
>>>> who want to  join the electoral commission.  If we follow the
>>>>  requirement
>>>> to
>>>> the letter, we shall get credible  people.  It is this process that
>>>> lacked
>>>>  before and political operatives took charge in many posts within
>>>>  government.
>>>>
>>>> Indeed there will be a policy  guideline on all organizations registered
>>>> under Societies  Act.  It is in the interest of the public that these
>>>>  organizations file annual returns to the registrar because they are
>>>> tax
>>>> exempt.  Tax exemption means that we the public  partly fund their
>>>> activities.  Further the state has a  responsibility to protect its
>>>> citizens
>>>> from  being taken advantage of.  We cannot burry our heads in  the
>>>> sand
>>>> on
>>>> this issue no matter  how sensitive it is.  We shall also be
>>>>  implementing
>>>> our
>>>> constitution with respect to  Bill of Rights.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Regards
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Ndemo.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  Listers
>>>>>
>>>>> We have received  requests  (offline) that we allow "Candidate"
>>>>>  Ndemo
>>>>> more time for him to respond to more concerns being  raised.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is to let you know that the  'official campaign period" has been
>>>>> extended up to Monday  August 15, 2011.
>>>>>
>>>>> And now Dr. Ndemo,  Harry Delano did ask you to say what kind of
>>>>> advisors you  would be looking for to help shape policy. Can we hear
>>>>> you  on this one too? You also make a valid point about churches  and
>>>>> the fact that they are not audited. I know for example  in Washington
>>>>> DC, Parish priests have to present audited  accounts to Parishoners
>>>>> once a year, while the Bishop  fundraises through a system that is open
>>>>> to public scrutiny.  Would you then make a policy decision on this? On
>>>>> a light  note, may I remind you that your responses will go into the
>>>>>  'manifesto' and translate into more or less "votes"  :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Listers, let the debate  continue.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rgds
>>>>>  GG
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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