[kictanet] Bitange for President? Xenophobia
Barrack Otieno
otieno.barrack at gmail.com
Tue Aug 16 14:32:32 EAT 2011
Bobby context is key, sometimes tough love works wonders, I am glad
the PS brought this issues up since sooner or later they are likely to
erupt badstyle, to me this is what leadership should be.
On 8/16/11, robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi Harry,
>
> It is careless for PS Ndemo to propagate a xenophobic agenda, the fishermen
> along lake victory never feed the fish and yet they expect the fish to
> always be
> there for the picking.
>
> When someone invests in a trawler and takes the risk of going into the
> deeper
> waters we cry foul.
>
> When someone comes to the lake's show and pays fishermen 20% more than the
> local
> restaurant owner for the fish we cry foul.
>
> When an investor goes to Dubai and brings a large consignment of goods for
> which
> he enjoys bulk discounts and then extends the same to the local trader as
> opposed to the hand luggage stall owner who buys retail in Dubai we cry
> foul.
> When a group of investors pull together their resources to build a shopping
> mall
> in Eastleigh while bypassing the exploitative banking system we call them
> pirates and again cry foul. (On average a shopping mall in Eastleigh has
> over
> 1000 shareholders)
> When a faith decides that they will not have illicit drugs and alcohol sold
> in
> the vicinity of their places of worship and go ahead to rally resources to
> buy
> off such premises and convert them to other types of business we continue to
> cry
> foul.
>
> We need to stop blaming others for our inaction which is why we keep waiting
> for
> the international community to come and solve our issues for us when things
> get
> out of hand. The case in hand is the famine that we are being told is
> rampant
> in the country yet the food aid could not get through because of floods.
>
> "I ask a none rhetorical question, how long does it take for a cow to die
> from
> lack of water?"
>
> Then suddenly we are all in tears setting up all kinds of funds whose
> largest
> contributors are those who could have prevented the famine in the first
> place
> such as the media who should have brought the issue to our attention before
> it
> become dear but we all know that would never happen because it would have no
> economic benefit.
>
> On the other extreme we have the mobile companies that have refused to
> provide
> network into those remote areas which would have made it possible to receive
> data on the prevailing conditions.
>
> Instead of shedding crocodile tears can we look for sustainable solutions, I
> constantly tell my fellow parishioners of the Christian faith that you give
> cash
> and also your talents. It is a Cain tithe when a doctor gives cash just to
> go
> to his surgery later and refuse to carry out an operation on a patient who
> could
> not raise the full fee.
>
> The government will put up an irrigation scheme that will provide food
> security
> to over 14,000 families at a cost of Kes. 70 Million imagine what we could
> do
> with the Kes. 500 Million conscience fund if it was effectively utilised.
>
> Harry, none of the issues raised are as a result of Somalis (note that there
> are
> Kenyan Somalis) or any other immigrant community in the country it is all
> the
> work of we useless indigenous Kenyans with out "haki yetu" mentality which
> we
> have exported to Britain and the USA.
>
> Regards
>
> "Nili choka kuletewa maindi na mkebe kama kuku ya kufugwa"
> - A Turukana farmer on why he decided to irrigate his farm and stop
> depending on
> handouts
>
> http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=turkana+drought+farming&aq=f
> Robert Yawe
> KAY System Technologies Ltd
> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
> Kenya
>
>
> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Harry Delano <harry at comtelsys.co.ke>
> To: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
> Cc: kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> Sent: Mon, 15 August, 2011 19:07:47
> Subject: RE: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Extended due to
> PublicDemand-internet price?
>
>
>
> Hey Robert,
>
> Perhaps, I could agree with the Ps in part on the need for us to look at
> what
> our National interests are in face
>
> of such challenges. I believe Governments, world over have in place
> measures
> that are legal, and that would
> automatically trigger a set of checks and balances to ensure that certain
> socio-economic and political
>
> equillibrium is maintained. Some of these measures would be in form of
> incentives to promote locally driven
> enterprise & and also touch land/property ownership policies.
>
> It would really be foolhardy, for us to close our eyes to this.
>
> Some of these measures, I do agree with you need not be varbalized, but
> however
> world over, Governments
> have what we call the "Unspoken Govt policies" to safeguard national
> interests.
> Of course we need to balance
> this with foreign investment.
>
> Regards,
> Harry
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke] On
> Behalf
> Of robert yawe
> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 6:02 PM
> To: harry at comtelsys.co.ke
> Cc: kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Extended due to
> PublicDemand-internet price?
>
>
> Daktari,
>
> I would like to disagree with your proposed approach to dealing with the
> East
> African migration that currently seems to be dominated by relatives from
> Somalia.
>
> Your response is a clear sign of Xenophobia like was experienced in South
> Africa against the Zimbabweans and Kenyans. The holocaust was also
> precipitated by the continuous verbalising of such sentiments.
>
> We all know that nature abhors a vacuum, we have created a vacuum in the
> business environment which has quickly been filled by mother nature. As a
> nation we have refused to become professional business people we still look
> down at those who use the term to describe themselves as we are mainly
> trained
> to be clerks which explains the large number of us returning to college to
> do
> masters in business administration.
>
> Since all of us want to become administrators someone needs to create the
> businesses for us to administer, initially it was the Asian and now it is
> the
> Somalis. The post election violence for a result of such sentiments that a
> certain ethnic group was taking over a certain region.
>
>
> Let us stop blaming the Somalis for our lack of skills or will to innovate
> and
> instead move forward to develop the attitude that will reward the free
> thinker
> over the structured imitator.
>
> I believe that as a presidential candidate you need to realise that we are
> not
> an island and for our citizens to flourish in the other East African
> countries
> we must learn to accommodate our neighbours when they are here.
>
> Regards
> Robert Yawe
> KAY System Technologies Ltd
> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
> Kenya
>
>
> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "bitange at jambo.co.ke" <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
> To: robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk
> Cc: kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> Sent: Sun, 14 August, 2011 20:35:06
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Extended due to Public
> Demand-internet price?
>
> William,
> Today after a game of Tennis, I decided to hang out in the sauna for a
> while. I was delighted to see a colleague from University of Nairobi and
> a prominent professor of Biochemistry. There were other three club
> members. The professor narrated how for the first time in his life time
> while in Kisumu he had to settle for cat fish and ugali for his lunch on
> Saturday. There is no Tilapia he said. An Asian businessman originally
> from Kisumu who sat next to me indeed confirmed that all the fish business
> is the hands of Somali community which seems to have struck some gold mine
> in fish. He said noted “real estateb in all major towns is now in their
> hands too”.
>
> The talk drifted into what such enormous resource could do to the country
> if the resource were to be used to buy our gullible politicians. You
> could sense the helplessness in the small steamy cubicle. Although others
> felt that there was a plan being executed by one community to dominate the
> economy in all major towns of Kenya, I had to warn them that such talk can
> be dangerous and amount to discrimination against another community. I
> bring these discussions here because there are murmurs all over on the
> Somali Community spending on property without clear sources of the funds.
> Until we discuss this matter with open mind, it is disaster we are
> courting.
>
> We are indeed faced with very difficult decisions in this country. There
> is need to get to the bottom of this matter since we know it will be a
> problem in future if we do not address it now. A large number of Somali
> have migrated to Kenya. In other countries such an influx is monitored
> closely even when there is no threat to state security. I remember in
> 1983 the Kenyan community in Minnesota numbered about fifteen. By 1987,
> the community had grown to about 1,000 and eating a lot of corn meal to
> the extent that it became a major story in US media. Local ABC news
> reported new immigrant community that has wiped out all the corn meal in
> the Twin Cities area. We have no account of the characteristics of our
> new immigrants.
>
>
> This is where ICTs begins to help us manage the development of our people.
> At every entry, we must take electronic finger prints of every person
> getting into the country. We must also get a tamper prove ID. This can
> be done along the lines of the Public Key Infrastructure. We must begin
> to release land registration records on to the open data platform. This
> will indeed help trace ill gotten properties that in many ways compromise
> the ability of local people in affording such properties.
>
> Good leadership is a product of informed citizens and embracing a
> participatory approach. This is how we can move forward together.
>
> Keep hope alive. One Kenya.
>
>
> Regards
>
>
> Ndemo
>
>
>
>
>> Daktari,
>>
>>
>> Your story about the trip, environment and lack of planning is truly
>> reflective of the sad situation we find ourselves in. There is also the
>> nostalgia you and the pilot shared over the desecration of the
>> environment. Thanks for jogging memories on certain key facts about the
>> changing environmental conditions.
>>
>> Janak
>>
>> --- On Sat, 8/13/11, bitange at jambo.co.ke <bitange at jambo.co.ke> wrote:
>>
>> From: bitange at jambo.co.ke <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Extended due to Public
>> Demand-internet price?
>> To: williamjanak at yahoo.com
>> Cc: kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>> Date: Saturday, August 13, 2011, 4:57 PM
>>
>> Walubengo,
>> You can dig for your answer in my write up below.
>>
>> This week I had an opportunity to fly to Laikipia for a lunch meeting
>> with
>> investors who wanted to kill two birds with one stone by having a Safari
>> and discuss business at the same time. They paid the bill. The one
>> hour
>> flight to and from Laikipia got my head spinning. The pilot has been
>> flying here for more than thirty years and has seen many physical changes
>> in Central, Eastern and Rift Valley. I pestered him with many
>> questions.
>>
>> At some point he told me that all the rivers that flow through Central
>> Kenya had crystal clear water in the 7o's and 80's but as farmers
>> encroached on riparian land, soil erosion crept in and now they are all
>> red dragging the best of soils into the Indian Ocean. In spite of
>> several
>> Departments of Geography in our Universities there are little or no
>> studies on the long term effects of what is happening to our ecosystem.
>> We study both human and physical geography not to apply the knowledge but
>> as a means to get papers for employment.
>>
>> A quick research will tell you that we are not only food insecure but
>> also
>> water insecure.   Although Kenya’s water per capita in cubic meters
>> at 647
>> is above world average 360, we do not compare well with other progressive
>> countries such as India at 1,911 and China at 2,840. We were better at
>> independence since we had many dams built by the British but are now
>> non-existent. People planted Ndumas in most of the dams. We must now
>> admit we did not know the impact and still we do not know until our
>> academics get down to work on research.
>>
>> Soil erosion means we are also eroding the most arable land in the
>> country. Per capita arable land in Kenya measures only .14 hectare per
>> person. Here we fall below the world average of .21 hectare per person.
>> The statistic implies the world must manage this resource better in order
>> to feed everybody. The British had started this policy on African
>> reserves sort of rural urbanization. We rightly shunned it but without
>> studies to look into our future. We must re-introduce this with a
>> better
>> name and better housing with all utilities. My research findings on
>> such
>> housing will cost about Ksh. 200,000 per unit of three bedrooms. In
>> other
>> words we can construct 340,000 households from the Goldenberg loot if we
>> were to recover it. This will translate to all of Northern Kenya from
>> Kacheliba to Wajir.
>>
>> We have about 6 million households in Kenya of which 3 million can afford
>> to pay for such a house or better. The Government can indeed manage to
>> build for the remainder through improved tax collections (we pay about
>> 40%
>> of the potential income tax and about 20% of the potential local
>> authority
>> taxes such as rates). Of course there will be other savings from health
>> budget that goes into opportunistic diseases that we can eliminate from
>> the face of Kenya. These include water borne diseases. Typhoid alone
>> costs Kenya billions that need to be used to improve the livelihood of
>> our
>> people and meet the constitutional demands.
>>
>> Therefore, the question on Lake Victoria water will not arise if we
>> dammed
>> all the waters that flow into the lake and elsewhere. As for affordable
>> prices for broadband, I have no doubts that we shall meet this even
>> before
>> the end of this year. The shared infrastructure negotiations are going
>> on
>> smoothly. In a few weeks time we should move forward with the LTE open
>> access program. If we all understand the open access principle where
>> big
>> and small will use the infrastructure at same access cost. More agile
>> companies will indeed provide very competitive pricing. As we move the
>> Government more online, the more the number of internet users meaning we
>> shall reach the critical mass much faster. With the critical mass and
>> many providers, the price can only go downwards.
>>
>> The biggest problem and one asked by Monda is the question of vested
>> interests. I know some sectors have a real problem with this issue and
>> negatively impacts on our economic growth. In our sector we have been
>> lucky in the sense that much of what we do is new and the rapid
>> technological changes discourage power brokers who may entrench
>> themselves
>> to build strong vested interest. This is not to say that we are not
>> often
>> asked to do things differently. Our savior is going to be open
>> government
>> and in this I pray that every Kenyan understands this concept because it
>> has a way of not only dealing with vested interest but also impunity in a
>> way. If I had time I could delve into this more. To date I do not
>> think
>> even media has understood this powerful tool.
>>
>> Back to my flight. Coming back I found myself humming Jim Reeves’
>> song
>> “we thank thee each morning for a new born day ….. we thank thee for
>> the
>> sunshine and air we breathe, for the rivers that run, for the birds that
>> sing, for the eyes to see this things…unfortunately we may not hear the
>> birds sing since from above you can see that we have eliminated their
>> habitat – percent of total land area in Kenya covered by forest is 2%
>> compared to world average of 31%. We may not see the rivers as they
>> were
>> before since all our soils are polluting the what remains of rivers as
>> eucalyptus has swallowed much of the water and wetlands.
>>
>> Hovering over many towns across the land you get hurt by what you see.
>> Although there are planners in all local authorities you see a cry of
>> unplanned structures with visible problems of managing solid waste.Â
>> You
>> simply see chaos in a country with literacy levels approaching 90%.Â
>> What
>> you see are the sources of many diseases and problems such as the jigger
>> menace in some parts of the country.   I grew up fairly poor but we
>> did
>> not have this level of disorganization. At least health officers did
>> something to prevent many diseases. I saw dirty butcheries and
>> restaurants closed by health officers. There was a semblance of
>> planned
>> dukas. Where the madness of unplanningness came from I do not know but
>> this is one of the things “candidate� Ndemo will deal with.
>>
>> In conclusion, we must make very tough decisions if we want a better
>> future. I know the new constitution has brought all sorts of rights but
>> it is all nonsense if we undermine the future with unplanned population,
>> unplanned urban centers, unplanned future, etc.   There must be no
>> rights
>> without responsibility.
>>
>>
>> Ndemo.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Bw PS,
>>>
>>> nice insights you have below. Mine is simply to ask what your
>>> thoughts
>>> are, in terms of making consumer internet prices affordable. Yes, cost
>>> of
>>> bandwidth at international gateway level used to be 5,000USD per MB
>>> (over
>>> satellite) but now it has dropped below 500USD per MB. Basically
>>> it
>>> has dropped by 10 times - HOWEVER- in our cyber cafes, the cost of
>>> accessing internet is still 1/- to 2/- per minute, pretty much what it
>>> was
>>> during the satellite days.
>>>
>>> Mobile data internet which is the more common form of access is not any
>>> cheaper either. There's has been NO drop per-se, just marketing
>>> gimmicks of increasing the amount of bandwidth for the same (HIGH)
>>> price.
>>> It is like saying lunch costs 2,500/= at some 5star hotel, but since
>>> there
>>> has been good rains/harvest, for the same 2,500/= you are free to eat
>>> ALL
>>> you want...sounds good, but ONLY for those who could afford the 2,500/=
>>> lunch bracket in the first place - who unfortunately are not
>>> many....particularly in an economy whose average monthly income is
>>> around
>>> 8,000sh.
>>>
>>> So how do you intend to tackle the internet price problem when you get
>>> to
>>> be President?
>>>
>>> walu.
>>>
>>> --- On Fri, 8/12/11, bitange at jambo.co.ke <bitange at jambo.co.ke> wrote:
>>>
>>> From: bitange at jambo.co.ke <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Extended due to Public
>>> Demand
>>> To: jwalu at yahoo.com
>>> Cc: kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>>> Date: Friday, August 12, 2011, 9:01 PM
>>>
>>> Harry,
>>> Yes there is a crisis virtually in every country at the moment. The
>>> difference is how you handle the situation. In Britain the Prime
>>> Minister
>>> thought he can take a vacation in Italy and forget what is going on at
>>> home but he was forced to dash home. Before I respond to how we take
>>> care
>>> of our crisis, I felt there is a patriotism lesson that we need to learn
>>> from Britain.
>>>
>>> The first reports we got in our News papers here and even in electronic
>>> media, there was no cause of the crisis in Britain. It was simply
>>> reported that London is burning. Some of our best media houses with
>>> so
>>> many journalists forgot to ask questions like what, where, when, why,
>>> etc.
>>> This would have helped us understand. This is because the British
>>> Media
>>> (from where our Media got the story) first looks at their
>>> country’s
>>> interests first and everything else is secondary. Does our Media
>>> have
>>> what they call Kenyan or African interests? If they did, they would
>>> have
>>> raised issues relating to racism and African Diaspora. We shall be
>>> more
>>> respected if we had the interest of those in the Diaspora at heart be
>>> they
>>> from Bahamas or Nigeria.
>>>
>>> How do we respond to our crisis? This should not be a government
>>> project.
>>>Â The entire society needs a lesson on respecting other human beings
>>> because this where our problems start and will open up greater
>>> opportunity
>>> and sustained harmony for all humanity. In other countries they make
>>> an
>>> effort to socially integrate all citizens of different economic classes.
>>> Let me elaborate. In Kenya a good mechanic will never be found
>>> drinking
>>> with a corporate CEO but in other countries it happens and sometimes you
>>> find they are neighbours. It is not common you find a woman with an
>>> undergraduate degree married to a plumber for example. We have
>>> defined
>>> classes that we try everything to belong to. We do not have good
>>> plumbers, mechanics, carpenters etc in this country yet we have thousand
>>> s
>>> looking for white collar jobs.
>>>
>>> I am sure most of you have watched Cheers. The artists in the bar
>>> are a
>>> postman, a doctor, other professional, bar maids and men having a common
>>> goal. Where no one thinks or feels they know more than the
>>> other. This
>>> is the begging of building a harmonious society that no one feels left
>>> out. The rift we have created just needs a small thing like shooting
>>> a
>>> drug dealer (as in the UK) then hell will break loose. We must not
>>> forget
>>> that this happened in China in 1949 when the Maoists took over. They
>>> literary killed anybody who seemed to be from upper class. Land
>>> reform
>>> was the major focus of policy as a result of China's vast rural
>>> population, around 90% of the population were farmers. Lands of former
>>> landlords were confiscated by the government and subsequently
>>> redistributed to the lower-class peasants. Do not forget the French
>>> revolution.
>>>
>>> Discrimination in any form should be shunned. This is because it is
>>> the
>>> basis of all problems be it class or tribalism.  Three of my
>>> close
>>> friends have experience that summarizes what I have tried to
>>> explain.ÂÂ
>>> Mr.
>>> X got six and eighteen points at O and A levels respectively. At
>>> university he came out with 1st class in Electrical Engineering and
>>> joined
>>> the then EAPL and later obtained an MBA. Mr. Y had division II and
>>> could
>>> not afford high school but went to Kenya Science Teachers to become a
>>> teacher. Mr. Z also passed his O levels with Division III and joined
>>> Barclays Bank as a Clerical officer. They have struggled in their
>>> own
>>> ways and of the four of us Z is the wealthiest. Any time I am with
>>> X, he
>>> complains why I should even have time for Y and Z. Y by the way has
>>> struggled for many years and he will soon get his PhD. According to
>>> X
>>> these are not our class of people. He loathes Z as one who failed
>>> and
>>> now
>>> possibly has earned his wealth through corrupt means. In spite of
>>> the
>>> fact that I have tried to ask X to forget the past, he feels he belongs
>>> to
>>> a different class and hangs around some of the “successful�
>>> people.
>>> Although I have never disclosed this to Y and Z their sixth sense leads
>>> them to discriminate X from some events. At some point we were four
>>> young
>>> lads who enjoyed life together but now pulling a part because of
>>> differences in the way we led our lives after high school. I hear
>>> and
>>> see
>>> this kind of stories often and make me feel bad about class division in
>>> our country.
>>>
>>> I have had the privilege of deciding who my assistants should be but not
>>> once have I ever picked someone because we spoke the same vernacular
>>> language. My current office is a living example and after leading by
>>> example, all of my senior officers followed suit. This is how we
>>> should
>>> begin to tackle the problem of tribalism. We also must ensure
>>> equitable
>>> distribution of resources and start connecting all the counties with
>>> roads, energy, water, schools and hospitals. We have already
>>> connected
>>> fibre optics to all the counties and are in the process of covering the
>>> pockets that exist. Even with difficult times we have managed to
>>> balance
>>> infrastructure development to all parts of the country. We shall
>>> continue
>>> with similar strategies.
>>>
>>> To achieve my objectives, I take you back to building sustained regional
>>> influence and develop the HUB concept in everything here in Kenya.
>>> Transportation, ICT, Industrialization, and practically everything Hub.
>>> Of course some of our neighbours will feel jealous.   This is
>>> what we
>>> need
>>> in a sustained way because it will help galvanize Kenyans against some
>>> external “aggressor�. President Museveni used this
>>> effectively to
>>> get
>>> Ugandans behind him when he claimed Migingo as a strategy to get
>>> re-elected. Let us do good to the entire East Africa by building the
>>> rail
>>> up to Goma, Adis, Juba, Dar and Arusha all terminating in Nairobi.ÂÂ
>>> We
>>> must build major transit and logistics airport and make it cheap to
>>> access
>>> it to all rail destinations. Develop capacity to serve the entire
>>> world
>>> back offices.   From this we shall create a pull effect on our
>>> agriculture. Let me not disclose the entire strategy.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>>
>>> Ndemo.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bw Ps,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your articulative responses... Indeed looking at events
>>>> cutting
>>>> across the globe
>>>> now, one wakes up to a realization that we face similar socio-economic
>>>> challenges. Bottom
>>>> line, is how do we respond. And respond we must. But consequently this
>>>> is
>>>> what makes the
>>>> huge difference between moving forward purposefully to achieve progress
>>>> and
>>>> backpeddling on
>>>> the other hand.
>>>>
>>>> We'd also wish to understand what strategies would be put in place to
>>>> ensure
>>>> a balanced
>>>> infrastractural development across the regions. I suppose much of the
>>>> concentration right
>>>> now is around the Capital and it's environs at the expense of the rest
>>>> of
>>>> the country.
>>>> How about dealing with the great tribalism "monster".
>>>>
>>>> 3rdly, what strategies/plans do you have in place to achieve this dream
>>>> you
>>>> have.
>>>>
>>>> Harry
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>>>> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke]
>>>> On
>>>> Behalf Of bitange at jambo.co.ke
>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 3:32 PM
>>>> To: harry at comtelsys.co.ke
>>>> Cc: kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Extended due to Public
>>>> Demand
>>>>
>>>> Grace,
>>>> Thank you for extending the debate to Monday. I hope I get time to
>>>> articulate some of the issues that will impact our lives in the next
>>>> few
>>>> years. Earlier I said that we are not alone in how we are dealing
>>>> with
>>>> our
>>>> social development. I went ahead and gave examples from the US and
>>>> UK.
>>>> Although it is an unfortunate for the British people, it has come to
>>>> pass.
>>>> Even the Central Bank we got some good debate out of my post.
>>>>
>>>> Leadership requires selfless commitment to the people they lead. It
>>>> is
>>>> a
>>>> sacrifice one makes. In this respect, I will seek for advisors who
>>>> have
>>>> demonstrated ability to serve their country with dedication. We
>>>> have
>>>> these
>>>> people but they have never been given a chance to lead. The
>>>> constitution
>>>> has
>>>> accorded us the opportunity to search for such people.
>>>> If you read today's front page Standard, it has the requirement for
>>>> those
>>>> who want to join the electoral commission. If we follow the
>>>> requirement
>>>> to
>>>> the letter, we shall get credible people. It is this process that
>>>> lacked
>>>> before and political operatives took charge in many posts within
>>>> government.
>>>>
>>>> Indeed there will be a policy guideline on all organizations registered
>>>> under Societies Act. It is in the interest of the public that these
>>>> organizations file annual returns to the registrar because they are
>>>> tax
>>>> exempt. Tax exemption means that we the public partly fund their
>>>> activities. Further the state has a responsibility to protect its
>>>> citizens
>>>> from being taken advantage of. We cannot burry our heads in the
>>>> sand
>>>> on
>>>> this issue no matter how sensitive it is. We shall also be
>>>> implementing
>>>> our
>>>> constitution with respect to Bill of Rights.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ndemo.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Listers
>>>>>
>>>>> We have received requests (offline) that we allow "Candidate"
>>>>> Ndemo
>>>>> more time for him to respond to more concerns being raised.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is to let you know that the 'official campaign period" has been
>>>>> extended up to Monday August 15, 2011.
>>>>>
>>>>> And now Dr. Ndemo, Harry Delano did ask you to say what kind of
>>>>> advisors you would be looking for to help shape policy. Can we hear
>>>>> you on this one too? You also make a valid point about churches and
>>>>> the fact that they are not audited. I know for example in Washington
>>>>> DC, Parish priests have to present audited accounts to Parishoners
>>>>> once a year, while the Bishop fundraises through a system that is open
>>>>> to public scrutiny. Would you then make a policy decision on this? On
>>>>> a light note, may I remind you that your responses will go into the
>>>>> 'manifesto' and translate into more or less "votes" :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Listers, let the debate continue.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rgds
>>>>> GG
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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