[kictanet] Bitange for President? Xenophobia

[robert yawe]

Hi Harry,

It is careless for PS Ndemo to propagate a xenophobic agenda, the fishermen 
along lake victory never feed the fish and yet they expect the fish to always be 
there for the picking.  

When someone invests in a trawler and takes the risk of going into the deeper 
waters we cry foul.  

When someone comes to the lake's show and pays fishermen 20% more than the local 
restaurant owner for the fish we cry foul. 

When an investor goes to Dubai and brings a large consignment of goods for which 
he enjoys bulk discounts and then extends the same to the local trader as 
opposed to the hand luggage stall owner who buys retail in Dubai we cry foul.
When a group of investors pull together their resources to build a shopping mall 
in Eastleigh while bypassing the exploitative banking system we call them 
pirates and again cry foul. (On average a shopping mall in Eastleigh has over 
1000 shareholders)
When a faith decides that they will not have illicit drugs and alcohol sold in 
the vicinity of their places of worship and go ahead to rally resources to buy 
off such premises and convert them to other types of business we continue to cry 
foul.

We need to stop blaming others for our inaction which is why we keep waiting for 
the international community to come and solve our issues for us when things get 
out of hand.  The case in hand is the famine that we are being told is rampant 
in the country yet the food aid could not get through because of floods.

"I ask a none rhetorical question, how long does it take for a cow to die from 
lack of water?"

Then suddenly we are all in tears setting up all kinds of funds whose largest 
contributors are those who could have prevented the famine in the first place 
such as the media who should have brought the issue to our attention before it 
become dear but we all know that would never happen because it would have no 
economic benefit.

On the other extreme we have the mobile companies that have refused to provide 
network into those remote areas which would have made it possible to receive 
data on the prevailing conditions.  

Instead of shedding crocodile tears can we look for sustainable solutions, I 
constantly tell my fellow parishioners of the Christian faith that you give cash 
and also your talents.  It is a Cain tithe when a doctor gives cash just to go 
to his surgery later and refuse to carry out an operation on a patient who could 
not raise the full fee.

The government will put up an irrigation scheme that will provide food security 
to over 14,000 families at a cost of Kes. 70 Million imagine what we could do 
with the Kes. 500 Million conscience fund if it was effectively utilised.

Harry, none of the issues raised are as a result of Somalis (note that there are 
Kenyan Somalis) or any other immigrant community in the country it is all the 
work of we useless indigenous Kenyans with out "haki yetu" mentality which we 
have exported to Britain and the USA.

Regards

"Nili choka kuletewa maindi na mkebe kama kuku ya kufugwa" 
- A Turukana farmer on why he decided to irrigate his farm and stop depending on 
handouts

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=turkana+drought+farming&aq=f
 Robert Yawe
KAY System Technologies Ltd
Phoenix House, 6th Floor
P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
Kenya


Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696




________________________________
From: Harry Delano <harry at comtelsys.co.ke>
To: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
Cc: kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
Sent: Mon, 15 August, 2011 19:07:47
Subject: RE: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Extended due to 
PublicDemand-internet price?

  
 
Hey Robert,
 
Perhaps, I could agree with the Ps in part on the need for us  to look at what 
our National interests are in face 

of such challenges. I believe Governments, world  over have in place measures 
that are legal, and that would
automatically trigger a set of checks and balances to ensure  that certain 
socio-economic and political 

equillibrium is maintained. Some of these measures would be in  form of 
incentives to promote locally driven
enterprise & and also touch land/property ownership  policies.
 
It would really be foolhardy, for us to close our eyes to  this.
 
Some of these measures, I do agree with you need not be  varbalized, but however 
world over, Governments
have what we call the "Unspoken Govt policies" to safeguard  national interests. 
Of course we need to balance
this with foreign investment.
 
Regards,
Harry


________________________________
 From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke  
[mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke] On  Behalf 
Of robert yawe
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 6:02  PM
To: harry at comtelsys.co.ke
Cc: kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for  President? Extended due to 
PublicDemand-internet price?


Daktari,

I  would like to disagree with your proposed approach to dealing with the East  
African migration that currently seems to be dominated by relatives from  
Somalia.

Your response is a  clear sign of Xenophobia like was  experienced in South 
Africa against the Zimbabweans and Kenyans.   The holocaust was also 
precipitated by the continuous  verbalising of such sentiments.  

We all know that nature  abhors a vacuum, we have created a vacuum in the 
business environment which has  quickly been filled by mother nature.  As a 
nation we have refused to  become professional business people we still look 
down at those who use the term  to describe themselves as we are  mainly trained 
to be clerks which explains the large number of us returning to  college to do 
masters in business administration.

Since all of us want to  become administrators someone needs to create the 
businesses for us to  administer, initially it was the Asian and now it is the 
Somalis.  The post  election violence for a result of such sentiments that a 
certain ethnic group  was taking over a certain region.


Let us stop blaming the  Somalis for our lack of skills or will to innovate and 
instead move forward to  develop the attitude that will reward the free thinker 
over the  structured imitator. 

I believe that as a  presidential candidate you need to realise that we are not 
an island and for our  citizens to flourish in the other East African countries 
we must learn  to accommodate our neighbours when they are here.

Regards
 Robert Yawe
KAY System Technologies  Ltd
Phoenix House, 6th  Floor
P O Box 55806 Nairobi,  00200
Kenya


Tel:  +254722511225, +254202010696 




________________________________
 From: "bitange at jambo.co.ke"  <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
To: robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk
Cc: kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
Sent: Sun, 14 August, 2011  20:35:06
Subject: Re:  [kictanet] Bitange for President? Extended due to Public 
Demand-internet  price?

William,
Today after a game of Tennis, I decided to hang  out in the sauna for a
while.  I was delighted to see a colleague from  University of Nairobi and
a prominent professor of Biochemistry.  There  were other three club
members.  The professor narrated how for the first  time in his life time
while in Kisumu he had to settle for cat fish and ugali  for his lunch on
Saturday.  There is no Tilapia he said.  An Asian  businessman originally
from Kisumu who sat next to me indeed confirmed that  all the fish business
is the hands of Somali community which seems to have  struck some gold mine
in fish.  He said noted “real estateb in all major  towns is now in their
hands too”.

The talk drifted into what such  enormous resource could do to the country
if the resource were to be used to  buy our gullible politicians.  You
could sense the helplessness in the  small steamy cubicle.  Although others
felt that there was a plan being  executed by one community to dominate the
economy in all major towns of  Kenya, I had to warn them that such talk can
be dangerous and amount to  discrimination against another community.  I
bring these discussions  here because there are murmurs all over on the
Somali Community spending on  property without clear sources of the funds. 
Until we discuss this matter  with open mind, it is disaster we are
courting.

We are indeed faced  with very difficult decisions in this country.  There
is need to get to  the bottom of this matter since we know it will be a
problem in future if we  do not address it now.  A large number of Somali
have migrated to  Kenya.  In other countries such an influx is monitored
closely even when  there is no threat to state security.  I remember in
1983 the Kenyan  community in Minnesota numbered about fifteen.  By 1987,
the community  had grown to about 1,000 and eating a lot of corn meal to
the extent that it  became a major story in US media.  Local ABC news
reported new immigrant  community that has wiped out all the corn meal in
the Twin Cities area.   We have no account of the characteristics of our
new  immigrants.


This is where ICTs begins to help us manage the  development of our people.
At every entry, we must take electronic finger  prints of every person
getting into the country.  We must also get a  tamper prove ID.  This can
be done along the lines of the Public Key  Infrastructure.  We must begin
to release land registration records on  to the open data platform.  This
will indeed help trace ill gotten  properties that in many ways compromise
the ability of local people in  affording such properties.

Good leadership is a product of informed  citizens and embracing a
participatory approach.  This is how we can  move forward together.

Keep hope alive.  One  Kenya.


Regards


Ndemo




>  Daktari,
>
>
> Your story about the trip, environment and lack  of planning is truly
> reflective of the sad situation we find ourselves  in. There is also the
> nostalgia you and the pilot shared over the  desecration of the
> environment. Thanks for jogging memories on certain  key facts about the
> changing environmental conditions.
>
>  Janak
>
> --- On Sat, 8/13/11, bitange at jambo.co.ke <bitange at jambo.co.ke>  wrote:
>
> From: bitange at jambo.co.ke <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
>  Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Extended due to Public
>  Demand-internet price?
> To: williamjanak at yahoo.com
> Cc: kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>  Date: Saturday, August 13, 2011, 4:57 PM
>
> Walubengo,
> You  can dig for your answer in my write up below.
>
> This week I had an  opportunity to fly to Laikipia for a lunch meeting with
> investors who  wanted to kill two birds with one stone by having a Safari
> and discuss  business at the same time.  They paid the bill.  The one
>  hour
> flight to and from Laikipia got my head spinning.  The pilot  has been
> flying here for more than thirty years and has seen many  physical changes
> in Central, Eastern and Rift Valley.  I pestered  him with many questions.
>
> At some point he told me that all the  rivers that flow through Central
> Kenya had crystal clear water in the  7o's and 80's but as farmers
> encroached on riparian land, soil erosion  crept in and now they are all
> red dragging the best of soils into the  Indian Ocean.  In spite of
> several
> Departments of  Geography in our Universities there are little or no
> studies on the long  term effects of what is happening to our ecosystem.
> We study both human  and physical geography not to apply the knowledge but
> as a means to get  papers for employment.
>
> A quick research will tell you that we  are not only food insecure but also
> water  insecure.   Although Kenya’s water per capita in cubic  meters
> at 647
> is above world average 360, we do not compare well  with other progressive
> countries such as India at 1,911 and China at  2,840.  We were better at
> independence since we had many dams  built by the British but are now
> non-existent.  People planted  Ndumas in most of the dams.  We must now
> admit we did not know the  impact and still we do not know until our
> academics get down to work on  research.
>
> Soil erosion means we are also eroding the most arable  land in the
> country.  Per capita arable land in Kenya measures  only .14 hectare per
> person.  Here we fall below the world average  of .21 hectare per person.
> The statistic implies the world must manage  this resource better in order
> to feed everybody.  The British had  started this policy on African
> reserves sort of rural  urbanization.  We rightly shunned it but without
> studies to look  into our future.  We must re-introduce this with a better
> name and  better housing with all utilities.  My research findings on such
>  housing will cost about Ksh. 200,000 per unit of three bedrooms.   In
> other
> words we can construct 340,000 households from the  Goldenberg loot if we
> were to recover it.  This will translate to  all of Northern Kenya from
> Kacheliba to Wajir.
>
> We have  about 6 million households in Kenya of which 3 million can afford
> to pay  for such a house or better.  The Government can indeed manage to
>  build for the remainder through improved tax collections (we pay about  40%
> of the potential income tax and about 20% of the potential local  authority
> taxes such as rates).  Of course there will be other  savings from health
> budget that goes into opportunistic diseases that we  can eliminate from
> the face of Kenya.  These include water borne  diseases.  Typhoid alone
> costs Kenya billions that need to be used  to improve the livelihood of our
> people and meet the constitutional  demands.
>
> Therefore, the question on Lake Victoria water will not  arise if we dammed
> all the waters that flow into the lake and  elsewhere.  As for affordable
> prices for broadband, I have no  doubts that we shall meet this even before
> the end of this year.   The shared infrastructure negotiations are going
> on
>  smoothly.  In a few weeks time we should move forward with the LTE  open
> access program.  If we all understand the open access  principle where big
> and small will use the infrastructure at same access  cost.  More agile
> companies will indeed provide very competitive  pricing.  As we move the
> Government more online, the more the  number of internet users meaning we
> shall reach the critical mass much  faster.  With the critical mass and
> many providers, the price can  only go downwards.
>
> The biggest problem and one asked by Monda is  the question of vested
> interests.  I know some sectors have a real  problem with this issue and
> negatively impacts on our economic  growth.  In our sector we have been
> lucky in the sense that much  of what we do is new and the rapid
> technological changes discourage  power brokers who may entrench themselves
> to build strong vested  interest.  This is not to say that we are not
> often
> asked  to do things differently.  Our savior is going to be open
>  government
> and in this I pray that every Kenyan understands this concept  because it
> has a way of not only dealing with vested interest but also  impunity in a
> way.  If I had time I could delve into this  more.  To date I do not
> think
> even media has understood  this powerful tool.
>
> Back to my flight.  Coming back I  found myself humming Jim Reeves’ song
> “we thank thee each morning  for a new born day ….. we thank thee for
> the
> sunshine and air  we breathe, for the rivers that run, for the birds that
> sing, for the  eyes to see this things…unfortunately we may not hear the
> birds sing  since from above you can see that we have eliminated their
> habitat –  percent of total land area in Kenya covered by forest is 2%
> compared to  world average of 31%.  We may not see the rivers as they were
>  before since all our soils are polluting the what remains of rivers as
>  eucalyptus has swallowed much of the water and wetlands.
>
>  Hovering over many towns across the land you get hurt by what you see.
>  Although there are planners in all local authorities you see a cry of
>  unplanned structures with visible problems of managing solid waste.   You
> simply see chaos in a country with literacy levels approaching  90%.  What
> you see are the sources of many diseases and problems  such as the jigger
> menace in some parts of the  country.   I grew up fairly poor but we did
> not have  this level of disorganization.  At least health officers did
>  something to prevent many diseases.  I saw dirty butcheries and
>  restaurants closed by health officers.  There was a semblance of  planned
> dukas.  Where the madness of unplanningness came from I do  not know but
> this is one of the things “candidate� Ndemo will deal  with.
>
> In conclusion, we must make very tough decisions if we  want a better
> future.  I know the new constitution has brought all  sorts of rights but
> it is all nonsense if we undermine the future with  unplanned population,
> unplanned urban centers, unplanned future,  etc.   There must be no
> rights
> without  responsibility.
>
>
>  Ndemo.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> Bw  PS,
>>
>> nice insights you have below.  Mine is  simply to ask what your
>> thoughts
>> are, in terms of making  consumer internet prices affordable. Yes, cost
>> of
>>  bandwidth at international gateway level used to be 5,000USD per MB
>>  (over
>> satellite) but now it has dropped below  500USD per  MB.  Basically
>> it
>> has dropped by 10 times -  HOWEVER- in our cyber cafes, the cost of
>> accessing internet is still  1/- to 2/- per minute, pretty much what it
>> was
>> during  the satellite days.
>>
>> Mobile data internet which is the  more common form of access is not any
>> cheaper either.   There's has been NO  drop per-se, just marketing
>> gimmicks of  increasing the amount of bandwidth for the same (HIGH)
>>  price.
>> It is like saying lunch costs 2,500/= at some 5star hotel,  but since
>> there
>> has been good rains/harvest, for the  same 2,500/= you are free to eat
>> ALL
>> you want...sounds  good, but ONLY for those who could afford the 2,500/=
>> lunch bracket  in the first place - who unfortunately are not
>> many....particularly  in an economy whose average monthly income is
>> around
>>  8,000sh.
>>
>> So how do you intend to tackle the internet  price problem when you get
>> to
>> be  President?
>>
>> walu.
>>
>> --- On Fri,  8/12/11, bitange at jambo.co.ke <bitange at jambo.co.ke>  wrote:
>>
>> From: bitange at jambo.co.ke <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
>>  Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Extended due to  Public
>> Demand
>> To: jwalu at yahoo.com
>> Cc: kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>>  Date: Friday, August 12, 2011, 9:01 PM
>>
>>  Harry,
>> Yes there is a crisis virtually in every country at the  moment.  The
>> difference is how you handle the  situation.  In Britain the Prime
>> Minister
>>  thought he can take a vacation in Italy and forget what is going on  at
>> home but he was forced to dash home.  Before I respond to  how we take
>> care
>> of our crisis, I felt there is a  patriotism lesson that we need to learn
>> from  Britain.
>>
>> The first reports we got in our News papers  here and even in electronic
>> media, there was no cause of the crisis  in Britain.  It was simply
>> reported that London is  burning.  Some of our best media houses with
>> so
>>  many journalists forgot to ask questions like what, where, when,  why,
>> etc.
>>  This would have helped us  understand.  This is because the British
>> Media
>>  (from where our Media got the story) first looks at their
>>  country’s
>> interests first and everything else is  secondary.  Does our Media
>> have
>> what they call  Kenyan or African interests?  If they did, they would
>>  have
>> raised issues relating to racism and African Diaspora.   We shall be
>> more
>> respected if we had the interest of  those in the Diaspora at heart be
>> they
>> from Bahamas or  Nigeria.
>>
>> How do we respond to our crisis?  This  should not be a government
>> project.
>>Â  The entire  society needs a lesson on respecting other human beings
>> because this  where our problems start and will open up greater
>>  opportunity
>> and sustained harmony for all humanity.  In  other countries they make
>> an
>> effort to socially  integrate all citizens of different economic classes.
>> Let me  elaborate.  In Kenya a good mechanic will never be found
>>  drinking
>> with a corporate CEO but in other countries it happens and  sometimes you
>> find they are neighbours.  It is not common  you find a woman with an
>> undergraduate degree married to a plumber  for example.  We have
>> defined
>> classes that we  try everything to belong to.  We do not have good
>> plumbers,  mechanics, carpenters etc in this country yet we have thousand
>>  s
>> looking for white collar jobs.
>>
>> I am sure  most of you have watched Cheers.  The artists in the bar
>> are  a
>> postman, a doctor, other professional, bar maids and men having a  common
>> goal.  Where no one thinks or feels they know more  than the
>> other.  This
>> is the begging of building  a harmonious society that no one feels left
>> out.  The rift  we have created just needs a small thing like shooting
>> a
>>  drug dealer (as in the UK) then hell will break loose.  We must  not
>> forget
>> that this happened in China in 1949 when the  Maoists took over.  They
>> literary killed anybody who seemed  to be from upper class.  Land
>> reform
>> was the  major focus of policy as a result of China's vast rural
>> population,  around 90% of the population were farmers. Lands of former
>> landlords  were confiscated by the government and subsequently
>> redistributed to  the lower-class peasants.  Do not forget the French
>>  revolution.
>>
>> Discrimination in any form should be  shunned.  This is because it is
>> the
>> basis of all  problems be it class or tribalism.    Three of my
>>  close
>> friends have experience that summarizes what I have tried  to
>> explain. 
>> Mr.
>> X got six and  eighteen points at O and A levels respectively.  At
>>  university he came out with 1st class in Electrical Engineering and
>>  joined
>> the then EAPL and later obtained an MBA.  Mr. Y had  division II and
>> could
>> not afford high school but went to  Kenya Science Teachers to become a
>> teacher.  Mr. Z also  passed his O levels with Division III and joined
>> Barclays Bank as a  Clerical officer.  They have struggled in their
>>  own
>> ways and of the four of us Z is the wealthiest.  Any  time I am with
>> X, he
>> complains why I should even have  time for Y and Z.  Y by the way has
>> struggled for many years  and he will soon get his PhD.  According to
>> X
>>  these are not our class of people.  He loathes Z as one who  failed
>> and
>> now
>> possibly has earned his  wealth through corrupt means.  In spite of
>> the
>>  fact that I have tried to ask X to forget the past, he feels he  belongs
>> to
>> a different class and hangs around some of  the “successful�
>> people.
>> Although I have  never disclosed this to Y and Z their sixth sense leads
>> them to  discriminate X from some events.  At some point we were four
>>  young
>> lads who enjoyed life together but now pulling a part because  of
>> differences in the way we led our lives after high  school.  I hear
>> and
>> see
>> this kind of  stories often and make me feel bad about class division in
>> our  country.
>>
>> I have had the privilege of deciding who my  assistants should be but not
>> once have I ever picked someone because  we spoke the same vernacular
>> language.  My current office is  a living example and after leading by
>> example, all of my senior  officers followed suit.  This is how we
>> should
>>  begin to tackle the problem of tribalism.  We also must  ensure
>> equitable
>> distribution of resources and start  connecting all the counties with
>> roads, energy, water, schools and  hospitals.  We have already
>> connected
>> fibre  optics to all the counties and are in the process of covering the
>>  pockets that exist.  Even with difficult times we have managed  to
>> balance
>> infrastructure development to all parts of  the country.  We shall
>> continue
>> with similar  strategies.
>>
>> To achieve my objectives, I take you back to  building sustained regional
>> influence and develop the HUB concept in  everything here in Kenya.
>> Transportation, ICT, Industrialization,  and practically everything Hub.
>> Of course some of our neighbours  will feel jealous.   This is
>> what  we
>> need
>> in a sustained way because it will help  galvanize Kenyans against some
>> external  “aggressor�.  President Museveni used this
>>  effectively to
>> get
>> Ugandans behind him when he claimed  Migingo as a strategy to get
>> re-elected.  Let us do good to  the entire East Africa by building the
>> rail
>> up to Goma,  Adis, Juba, Dar and Arusha all terminating in Nairobi. 
>>  We
>> must build major transit and logistics airport and make it cheap  to
>> access
>> it to all rail destinations.  Develop  capacity to serve the entire
>> world
>> back  offices.   From this we shall create a pull effect on  our
>> agriculture.  Let me not disclose the entire  strategy.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>>  Ndemo.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>  Bw Ps,
>>>
>>> Thanks for your articulative responses...  Indeed looking at events
>>> cutting
>>> across the  globe
>>> now, one wakes up to a realization that we face similar  socio-economic
>>> challenges. Bottom
>>> line, is how  do we respond. And respond we must. But consequently this
>>>  is
>>> what makes the
>>> huge difference between moving  forward purposefully to achieve progress
>>> and
>>>  backpeddling on
>>> the other hand.
>>>
>>>  We'd also wish to understand what strategies would be put in place  to
>>> ensure
>>> a balanced
>>>  infrastractural development across the regions. I suppose much of  the
>>> concentration right
>>> now is around the  Capital and it's environs at the expense of the rest
>>>  of
>>> the country.
>>> How about dealing with the great  tribalism "monster".
>>>
>>> 3rdly, what  strategies/plans do you have in place to achieve this dream
>>>  you
>>> have.
>>>
>>>  Harry
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original  Message-----
>>> From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>>>  [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke]  On
>>> Behalf Of bitange at jambo.co.ke
>>>  Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 3:32 PM
>>> To: harry at comtelsys.co.ke
>>>  Cc: kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>>>  Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Extended due to  Public
>>> Demand
>>>
>>>  Grace,
>>> Thank you for extending the debate to Monday.  I  hope I get time to
>>> articulate some of the issues that will  impact our lives in the next
>>> few
>>> years.   Earlier I said that we are not alone in how we are dealing
>>>  with
>>> our
>>> social development.  I went  ahead and gave examples from the US and
>>> UK.
>>>  Although it is an unfortunate for the British people, it has come  to
>>> pass.
>>> Even the Central Bank we got some good  debate out of my post.
>>>
>>> Leadership requires  selfless commitment to the people they lead.  It
>>>  is
>>> a
>>> sacrifice one makes.  In this  respect, I will seek for advisors who
>>> have
>>>  demonstrated ability to serve their country with dedication.   We
>>> have
>>> these
>>> people but they  have never been given a chance to lead. The
>>>  constitution
>>> has
>>> accorded us the opportunity to  search for such people.
>>> If you read today's front page Standard,  it has the requirement for
>>> those
>>> who want to  join the electoral commission.  If we follow the
>>>  requirement
>>> to
>>> the letter, we shall get credible  people.  It is this process that
>>> lacked
>>>  before and political operatives took charge in many posts within
>>>  government.
>>>
>>> Indeed there will be a policy  guideline on all organizations registered
>>> under Societies  Act.  It is in the interest of the public that these
>>>  organizations file annual returns to the registrar because they are  tax
>>> exempt.  Tax exemption means that we the public  partly fund their
>>> activities.  Further the state has a  responsibility to protect its
>>> citizens
>>> from  being taken advantage of.  We cannot burry our heads in  the
>>> sand
>>> on
>>> this issue no matter  how sensitive it is.  We shall also be
>>>  implementing
>>> our
>>> constitution with respect to  Bill of Rights.
>>>
>>>
>>>  Regards
>>>
>>>
>>>  Ndemo.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Listers
>>>>
>>>> We have received  requests  (offline) that we allow "Candidate"
>>>>  Ndemo
>>>> more time for him to respond to more concerns being  raised.
>>>>
>>>> This is to let you know that the  'official campaign period" has been
>>>> extended up to Monday  August 15, 2011.
>>>>
>>>> And now Dr. Ndemo,  Harry Delano did ask you to say what kind of
>>>> advisors you  would be looking for to help shape policy. Can we hear
>>>> you  on this one too? You also make a valid point about churches  and
>>>> the fact that they are not audited. I know for example  in Washington
>>>> DC, Parish priests have to present audited  accounts to Parishoners
>>>> once a year, while the Bishop  fundraises through a system that is open
>>>> to public scrutiny.  Would you then make a policy decision on this? On
>>>> a light  note, may I remind you that your responses will go into the
>>>>  'manifesto' and translate into more or less "votes"  :)
>>>>
>>>> Listers, let the debate  continue.
>>>>
>>>> Rgds
>>>>  GG
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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