[kictanet] UCC attempts to block social networks

Fri Apr 29 08:39:55 EAT 2011

Thanks. What we give in religious places of worship is not tax! It is CSR or because we feel "sufficiently philantropic" especially on the 10 percent tithe - where many of us often give less - hence "cheating" God. 

Yes, we have many criminals in religious robes every Fri, Sat and Sundays - but it is a matter of individual choice. What we need is the Min of Justice to sensitize the public - so they do not fall to the Marxist "opium" ideology. Kenyans are "religious" people on average - such a campaign will simply fall on its head. Martha Karua, as a minister, had attempted this. The need to have a "regulatory" mechanism (a CCK) of religious bodies - seeing the confessions of some sheikhs on ntv last night that some of their "colleagues" are promoting terrorism - perhaps Mutula Kilonzo should take it up from where Martha had left it. Yes, Cofek will write to him next week asking for this. Good morning
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Daktari 

I agree about the preachers.... Can your Ministry or in this case CCK do something ?

Or Cofek .... Kenyans need protection from these churches more than from telcos

Thanks

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On Apr 27, 2011, at 8:55 AM, bitange at jambo.co.ke wrote:

> You sound like a pessimist. This administration has created more freedom
> reforms than the entire East Africa combined including the past two
> administrations in Kenya.  And if it realy wanted to curtail such freedom,
> the New Costitution would not have passed.
> 
> We are aware that Kenyans are using social media to propagate hate
> messages.  This is a moral issue and I know the basis of it.  Here is the
> summary:
> 
> Over the Easter, I decided to record and listen to all the sermons from at
> least five TV stations.  My conclusion.  We are a drift (lost in the
> wilderness).  some of the preachers should not preach to human beings. 
> Here you find extortionists, liers and peddlers of deception.  Our
> theology is misplaced from what it is supposed to be.  They promise a
> heaven yet we know we are supposed to make heaven here on earth.
> 
> We need a religious regulator in Kenya and demand for some reforms in this
> sector.  We know Jesus went through Biblical Studies before he started to
> preach but what I saw was unqualified individuals pretending to preach. 
> In the 16th century Europe, they were in our current state of deception,
> corruption, begging etc.  It was the Protestant Ethic that shaped their
> destiny and led to the current idiologies in the West.  Read the work of
> Martin Luther, John Calvin and the Puritans of England.  This is what
> shaped the future of Europe.
> 
> We must now embrace the values in our new constitution and hopefully
> reform our religions to the extent that they can lead a moral revolution. 
> Without this, no one individual can govern this country effectively.  We
> must blame ourselves for the weaknesses we have.  Honesty, intergrity,
> humility etc are key to governance.  We cannot propagate hate and blame
> the Government.  This is why President Kennedy said "ask not what the
> Government has done for you but what you have done for the Government".
> 
> Have a nice day.
> 
> 
> 
> Ndemo.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> Nice Dr. Ndemo
>> 
>> "use Kenyan SIM cards".
>> 
>> But dont forget if Kenya goes the Ugandan way, you will be the one
>> issuing orders for the internet to be SHUT down. Those will be orders
>> from above.
>> At that time, we will buy Ugandan SIM cards.
>> 
>> On 26/04/2011, Andrea Bohnstedt <andrea.bohnstedt at ratio-magazine.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Yes, the walk-to-work protests in Uganda are predominantly political.
>>> I'm
>>> quite intrigued by this: the opposition didn't manage to excite anyone
>>> before the elections, which was a bit disappointing - but then, I
>>> thought,
>>> perhaps just as well: Museveni had clearly taken a long, hard look at
>>> Kenya
>>> and understood that any election would have to show a distinct victory,
>>> not
>>> an ambiguous two percentage point lead or so. And he made sure that it
>>> was
>>> clear. Cost Uganda a bomb, but hey, that's of limited interest to a
>>> president for life.
>>> 
>>> Except high costs of living are of course a legitimate concern, and the
>>> walk-to-work gimmick is quite inspired: Museveni needs to do something
>>> about
>>> it to prevent mass dynamics from getting out of control, but there's no
>>> way
>>> he can do anything that won't make him look cruel and silly. I mean -
>>> how
>>> can you forbid people from walking to work, and teargas and shoot them
>>> for
>>> it??
>>> 
>>> On a related note, yes, I understand that throwing stones won't get me
>>> power, but I'm writing this in a power cut. Power has been off all day,
>>> and
>>> just went off again. I have a deadline. Sure, solar lamps are great, but
>>> I
>>> think this argument partly distracts from the fact that there is, both
>>> in
>>> Uganda and in Kenya, systemic failure behind what people protest about:
>>> there is little a government can do about the price of oil on global
>>> markets, but *plenty* of other inefficiencies in the system that drive
>>> the
>>> costs of living up: inefficiencies in the fuel transport, the fact that
>>> there is a barely crawling railway and all goods transports are via
>>> road,
>>> the lack of a competent agricultural extension service and irrigation,
>>> the
>>> fact that KPLC are allowed to charge me an arm and a leg, but don't
>>> deliver,
>>> ..... Like many people in this economy, I would be able to work to my
>>> full
>>> capacity if I weren't constantly fighting all those breakdowns - being
>>> stuck
>>> in traffic, evading power cuts etc. And that's nothing life threatening
>>> - if
>>> price increases mean you have to cut back on meals, or decide between
>>> doctor
>>> and food, then it's a whole different story, and my little niggles
>>> really
>>> fade in significance. .
>>> 
>>> This has little to do with ICT, though. But if you have power and a
>>> functioning internet connection, here's an amusing contribution from
>>> Urban
>>> Legend Kampala - digital content and stuff, you know, just to get us
>>> back on
>>> track :)
>>> 
>>> http://urbanlegendkampala.com/2011/04/26/kayihura-commends-jesus-for-not-walking-to-heaven/
>>> 
>>> On 26 April 2011 20:37, <bitange at jambo.co.ke> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Washington,
>>>> The Ugandans are simply using inflation as a proxy to fight President
>>>> Museveni.  We went through this in the 90's.
>>>> 
>>>> Our consumer activists are acting selectively on the issue of
>>>> inflation.
>>>> I wish we spend more time on acting positively in such difficult times.
>>>> Let me explain:  A young man by the name Evans Wandago invents a Solar
>>>> Powered LED Lantern and wins the Gorbachev Innovation Award along with
>>>> Ted
>>>> Turner and Sir Berns Lee.  This Lantern is a sabsititute to some of our
>>>> Energy requirements.
>>>> 
>>>> I had hoped the consumer association will educate Kenyans to boycot
>>>> fuel
>>>> and support the Kenyan Innovation.  This will have meant that the
>>>> entire
>>>> Africa will follow.  Making a billion lanterns will mean an industry
>>>> that
>>>> will create as much as 100,000 jobs.  We should have lobied Kenyans to
>>>> invest in this new venture instead of buying plots and in the process.
>>>> We
>>>> failed on this and blamed the Government on a global crisis.  Soon the
>>>> Chinese would mass produce the Lantern and give us concetional credit
>>>> to
>>>> purchase our invention.  Let us think positive and make our land a
>>>> better
>>>> place to live in.  There is no Government that is not gribbed in this
>>>> inflation mess.  We have a chance to lead the world.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Regards
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Ndemo.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 14:05, Rad! <conradakunga at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I think it is a very pertinent issue.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> What is to stop the Kenyan government doing the same thing?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> Actually, Kenya is very likely headed towards the protests if the
>>>> govt
>>>>> doesn't do something on inflation. So let's wait and see how it will
>>>>> deal
>>>>> with the situation when the time comes.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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