[kictanet] ISPs slap Ndemo

Mon Sep 27 23:50:06 EAT 2010

I thought this was an interesting move by Essar/Yu - a chat and email
service for which you don't need a smart phone:

http://www.ratio-magazine.com/201009213639/Corporate-Press-Releases/Kenya-Press-Releases-Yu-Launch-Peperusha-Mobile-Chat-and-Email-Service.html

On 27 September 2010 19:25, Crystal Watley Kigoni <
crystal at voicesofafrica.org> wrote:

> As someone who has spent considerable time in both the slums and rural
> areas working on ICT projects, I can tell you quite plainly, the
> demand for internet is great amongst those with lower incomes, but the
> lack of access at an affordable price is a huge barrier. Also the lack
> of quality public internet and computer training facilities is another
> hurdle. A little knowledge at an affordable cost goes a long, long
> way.
>
> Best,
>
> Crystal
>
> On 9/27/10, robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >  http://www.greenstar.org/butterflies/Hole-in-the-Wall.htm
> > Robert Yawe
> > KAY System Technologies Ltd
> > Phoenix House, 6th Floor
> > P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
> > Kenya
> >
> >
> > Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Mark Mwangi <mwangy at gmail.com>
> > To: robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk
> > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > Sent: Mon, 27 September, 2010 10:14:15
> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] ISPs slap Ndemo
> >
> > Arguing that the low income earners will have little to do on the
> interwebs
> > is
> > abit short sighted if you ask me. Same arguments were supplied when the
> > mobile
> > phone was introduced. As Andrea said, it is abit patronising imagining
> that
> > a
> > guy in mukuru slum would have little use for email and Facebook. How
> > different
> > is he from us? It is not content that spurs access but access that spurs
> > content. If all the guys in the slums had access to a good connection
> they
> > would
> > create content THEMSELVES not be fed patronising content veiled as aid by
> > some
> > guy seated in a plush office waxing lyrical to foreign donors.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 2:20 AM, Muchiri Nyaggah <muchiri at semacraft.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Hi Andrea. You may be right, their interests may not be drastically
> > different
> > from those a bit more flush with cash or unbothered by the lack of it. It
> > may be
> > Chivas for one but Chang'aa for another. At the end of the day it's
> alcohol
> > for
> > both of them. However, to be meaningful to the lower income individual,
> the
> > alcohol would have to be delivered differently. Content that seeks to
> > empower me
> > will mostly be delivered in the format that works for the devices I am
> > accustomed to. For my friend who is bootstrapping to start a car repair
> > shop,
> > his cellphone is everything to him.  To empower him, content on the
> subject
> > needs to be delivered in a format that works for HIS device.
> >>
> >>
> >>If FM radio has the kind of content that results in high levels of
> audience
> >>
> >>engagement, how can it be ported onto the Internet? If sales of FM radio
> >> phones
> >>have gone up because of the conversations happening on that space, won't
> >> sales
> >>of data enabled phones go up because meaningful conversations are
> happening
> >>
> >>online? More people taking up bandwidth may result in better economies of
> >> scale
> >>for network operators and lower costs for consumers (in my own little
> >> utopia at
> >>least) due to better headroom for competition. Better pricing would keep
> >> the
> >>government from entertaining populist ideas like price controls for
> >> bandwidth
> >>because supply and demand would have been modified to the customer's
> >> benefit.
> >>
> >>
> >>Little content, few subscribers, high prices. Let's make the Internet a
> >> place
> >>where [many] people want to go.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Kind regards,
> >>
> >>Muchiri Nyaggah
> >>Director
> >>@muchiri
> >>+254 722 506400
> >>Semacraft.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 12:56 AM, Andrea Bohnstedt
> >><andrea.bohnstedt at ratio-magazine.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>Hey all,
> >>>
> >>>I really dislike the term 'bottom of the pyramid' or 'bottom billion' -
> I
> >>> find
> >>>those expression quite patronising. How about low-income clients or
> >>> something
> >>>along those lines?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>But that's by the by. I actually doubt that the so-called 'bottom
> billion'
> >>> has
> >>>so drastically different interests than the more middle class
> subscribers.
> >>> I
> >>>suspect that email/staying in touch, online dating, music and adult
> >>> content are
> >>>just as popular. Being poor doesn't automatically make you a more
> virtuous
> >>>
> >>>person. Look at people who buy changaa: barely any disposable income.
> And
> >>> yet
> >>>they'd still spend it on alcohol.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>This is the big irony: with internet connectivity, we have a load of
> >>> information
> >>>at our fingertips. But few people actually bother looking it up. I see
> the
> >>>
> >>>wildest speculation and conspiracy theories on Facebook that would take
> to
> >>> a
> >>>couple of seconds to clear up with a google search - but people don't do
> >>> it. I
> >>>suspect you must have learned how to ask questions, ask the right
> >>> questions,
> >>>search for information, figure out how to evaluate information etc. (and
> >>> yes,
> >>>I'm generalising here).
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Another thought: People already create content for the low-income
> segment
> >>> - it's
> >>>just delivered through FM stations rather than the internet.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Have a good week,
> >>>Andrea
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>On 26 September 2010 01:22, Muchiri Nyaggah <muchiri at semacraft.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>The Internet is a highway (a super one even) that takes us where we want
> >>> to go.
> >>>I believe there's a lot of local content online, its just not very
> >>> meaningful
> >>>for the vast majority living at the bottom of the pyramid.  People who
> are
> >>> busy
> >>>trying to put food on the table won't get on the highway to go to a
> place
> >>> called
> >>>'Hot or Not.' It's just not meaningful.  I agree with Brian, for-profit
> >>>enterprises have no reason to drop prices unless it becomes necessary
> for
> >>> their
> >>>survival. It will become necessary when the current realities of doing
> >>> business
> >>>are modified by say, a drop in demand for the high-cost Internet they
> are
> >>>supplying.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>As long we continue focusing on content such as blog posts, YouTube
> >>>> videos and
> >>>>entertainment applications, only those with disposable income or time
> >>>> will be
> >>>>consuming it. The real fortune for ISPs (like CK Prahalad said) lies at
> >>>> the
> >>>>bottom of the pyramid but until we generate content and applications
> that
> >>>> make
> >>>>meaning for the masses, we may have to live with a slow drop in prices
> >>>> much
> >>>>longer than we prefer to.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Don't expect ISPs to create the content either. They are in the
> >>>> 'transport'
> >>>>business. They are lousy at creating content.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Kind regards,
> >>>>
> >>>>Muchiri Nyaggah
> >>>>Director
> >>>>@muchiri
> >>>>+254 722 506400
> >>>>Semacraft.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 2:36 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>Hi,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Your current ISP charges you $500 for a 1MB link from your location to
> >>>>> his edge
> >>>>>router, after that it is called best effort especially since most ISPs
> >>>>> do not
> >>>>>have bandwidth managers.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I will take this seriously and do not back down when I come to you to
> > signup.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Regards
> >>>>> Robert Yawe
> >>>>>KAY System Technologies Ltd
> >>>>>Phoenix House, 6th Floor
> >>>>>P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
> >>>>>Kenya
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> > ________________________________
> > From: Agosta Liko <agostal at gmail.com>
> >>>>>To: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
> >>>>>Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> >>>>>Sent: Fri, 24 September, 2010 10:01:06
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Subject: Re: [kictanet] ISPs slap Ndemo
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>no Robert
> >>>>>
> >>>>>1MB for 50USD ... to anywhere ... I dont get limitations from my
> >>>>>current providers
> >>>>>
> >>>>>your thoughts ?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 10:00 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk
> >
> > wrote:
> >>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>> Fine, so long as it is local loop from your office to your
> collocation
> >>>>>> centre where you will be providing SaaS solutions.
> >>>>>> Regards
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Robert Yawe
> >>>>>> KAY System  Technologies Ltd
> >>>>>> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
> >>>>>> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
> >>>>>> Kenya
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ________________________________
> >>>>>> From: Agosta Liko <agostal at gmail.com>
> >>>>>> To: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
> >>>>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> >>>>>> Sent: Fri, 24 September, 2010 9:50:23
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] ISPs slap Ndemo
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Robert
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Si you start an ISP ? ... with 1:1 @ USD50 per MB ... I will be a
> >>>>>> customer
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Just thinking
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 9:44 AM, robert yawe <
> robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
> >>wrote:
> >>>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>> When we talk about 1 MB for $500/- I believe we are referring to a
> >>>>>>> dedicated
> >>>>>>> connection with a contention ratio of 1:1 not shared provided by
> the
> >>>>>>> ISPs
> >>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>> 1:∞.  So the ISP buys the 1 MB at $500/- dollars and sells it to 20
> >>>>>>> subscribers at $50/- a culture they developed during the good old
> >>>>>>> days of
> >>>>>>> satellite.
> >>>>>>> In addition the 1 MB is not from your equipment to the ISP but
> should
> >>>>>>> be
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> entire route into the Internet.  Exploited we still are and as has
> >>>>>>> been
> >>>>>>> said
> >>>>>>> by many the prices have still not come down sufficiently.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Robert Yawe
> >>>>>>> KAY System Technologies Ltd
> >>>>>>> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
> >>>>>>> P O Box 55806 Nairobi,  00200
> >>>>>>> Kenya
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ________________________________
> >>>>>>> From: Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> To: robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk
> >>>>>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> >
> >>>>>>> Sent: Thu, 23 September, 2010 17:21:40
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] ISPs slap Ndemo
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I'm sorry to sound like a broken record but I don't know any ISP in
> >>>>>>> Kenya
> >>>>>>> selling 1Mb for >$500 - and anybody who is being extorted like this
> > should
> >>>>>>> go to a reputable ISP and get their service for tens of dollars,
> not
> >>>>>>>  hundreds....
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Brian
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Edwin Onchari
> >>>>>>> <eonchari at lynxbits.com>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> “naomba serikali” or not…government policies ultimately affect
> >>>>>>>> demand
> > and
> >>>>>>>> supply laws in any market. While the call here is not to go the
> >>>>>>>> Finish
> >>>>>>>> way
> >>>>>>>> of making it a right for all citizens to have access to 1Mb of
> >>>>>>>> broadband
> >>>>>>>> by
> >>>>>>>> 2015, or UK’s 2Mb, GOK can move to create an environment that will
> >>>>>>>> encourage
> >>>>>>>> our good ISPs  lower the current rates, currently  >$500-
> remember,
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> potential bulk users in Kenya earn <$1/day!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  Edwin
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Sales without Customer Service........is like stuffing money into
> a
> >>>>>>>> pocket
> >>>>>>>> full of holes.
> >>>>>>>> DAVID TOOMA
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> From: Brian Munyao Longwe [mailto:blongwe at gmail.com]
> >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 4:20 PM
> >>>>>>>> To: Edwin Onchari
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] ISPs slap Ndemo
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hi all,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Is this another case of "naomba serikali inisaidie" - which is to
> > typical
> >>>>>>>> of us Kenyans....
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> It is my firm belief that we have a free and open market for
> >>>>>>>> internet
> >>>>>>>> services  in Kenya - with little or no barriers to entry for any
> >>>>>>>> player.
> >>>>>>>> Could it just be that the rules of supply and demand are applying
> >>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>> thereby preventing the "drastic" drops in pricing that it seems
> many
> >>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>> use
> >>>>>>>> are dreaming about?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I think Walu is asking the right kinds of questions - how do we
> >>>>>>>> adjust
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> supply/demand equation to bring about the desired results?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> In my honest opinion government has been doing a good job of
> staying
> >>>>>>>> out
> >>>>>>>> of business - let's keep it that way.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Brian
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Edwin Onchari
> >>>>>>>> <eonchari at lynxbits.com>
> >>>>>>>>  wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Better yet, GOK should slice up its 40% stake and sell to smaller
> >>>>>>>> businesses that are willing to play ball, so that Kenyans are not
> at
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> mercy of a handful ISPs that cannot get their act together
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Edwin
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Sales without Customer Service........is like stuffing money into
> a
> >>>>>>>> pocket
> >>>>>>>> full of holes.
> >>>>>>>> DAVID TOOMA
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> From: kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> >>>>>>>> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eonchari <kictanet-bounces%2Beonchari>=
> lynxbits.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke]
> >>>>>>>> On
> >>>>>>>> Behalf Of Harry Hare
> >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 2:35 PM
> >>>>>>>> To: Edwin
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] ISPs slap Ndemo
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hello All,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Who in this forum thought it possible to enjoy the new calling
> rates
> >>>>>>>> which
> >>>>>>>> are 50% of what we used to pay? My point, we need a disruptive
> force
> >>>>>>>>
> > that
> >>>>>>>> will force the ISPs to lower their rates. The Government still
> hold
> >>>>>>>> 40%
> >>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>> TEAMS, and I remember the PS once saying that he will use this if
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> operators fail to drop their costs. Probably this is the
> >>>>>>>> time...this,
> >>>>>>>> together with NOFBI, the  ministry has capacity to roll out a
> >>>>>>>> project
> >>like
> >>>>>>>> -
> >>>>>>>> “free internet for all”, another first from Kenya.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Think about it.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Harry
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 9/23/10 2:14 PM, "Walubengo J" <jwalu at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Yes WHOLESALE prices are down by 80% but RETAIL prices remain
> >>>>>>>> relatively
> >>>>>>>> high.  Are the ISP/Telco eating up the difference by way of
> >>>>>>>> SUPER-PROFITS?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Not sure. There are multiple and intermediary variables that play
> > between
> >>>>>>>> the Wholesale Level and the Retail Level that includes, but not
> >>>>>>>> limited
> >>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>> Cost of Local loops, Usage/Volume Levels,  Local Content,
> >>>>>>>> Regulatory&
> >>>>>>>> Competition Environments, Charging  Models, etc.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The challenge is to get a way in which to measure and establish
> >>>>>>>> which of
> >>>>>>>> the above variables will have the biggest, positive and
> sustainable
> >>>>>>>> impact
> >>>>>>>> on Retail Internet pricing.  Worse still, a "wrong" distortion of
> >>>>>>>> any of
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> above maybe counterproductive to the others in the long run. It
> >>>>>>>> requires
> >>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>> delicate balance of the whole ecosystem.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> But perhaps I could be wrong..
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> walu.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --- On Thu, 9/23/10, McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> From: McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>> Subject:  Re: [kictanet] ISPs slap Ndemo
> >>>>>>>> To: jwalu at yahoo.com
> >>>>>>>> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions"
> >>>>>>>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> >>>>>>>> Date: Thursday, September 23, 2010, 2:28 PM
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Edwin Onchari
> >>>>>>>> <eonchari at lynxbits.com
> >>>>>>>> </mc/compose?to=eonchari at lynxbits.com> > wrote:
> >>>>>>>> > Yes Dennis,
> >>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>> > Take the case of the US for instance. 1 Mb (dedicated) is going
> >>>>>>>> > for
> >>>>>>>>  > less
> >>>>>>>> > than $50…
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Wholesale cost there is ~$2.50 for 1 Mb/sec
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> >in Kenya, it’s anything between $500-$800.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Wholesale price in Kenya?  Around 50 USD per Mb/sec  (in Mombasa)
> is
> >>>>>>>> what I heard recently from an industry player.  That is probably
> for
> >>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>> volume purchase of course.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> African eDevelopment Resource Centre
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> >>>>>>>> Old Muthaiga  : : P O Box 49475 00100
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> >>>>>>>> e-mail: blongwe at gmail.com
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> >
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> >
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