[kictanet] ISPs slap Ndemo

Fri Sep 24 14:36:42 EAT 2010

Hi,

Your current ISP charges you $500 for a 1MB link from your location to his edge 
router, after that it is called best effort especially since most ISPs do not 
have bandwidth managers.

I will take this seriously and do not back down when I come to you to signup.

Regards
 Robert Yawe
KAY System Technologies Ltd
Phoenix House, 6th Floor
P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
Kenya

Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696

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From: Agosta Liko <agostal at gmail.com>
To: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Sent: Fri, 24 September, 2010 10:01:06
Subject: Re: [kictanet] ISPs slap Ndemo

no Robert

1MB for 50USD ... to anywhere ... I dont get limitations from my
current providers

your thoughts ?

On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 10:00 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi,
> Fine, so long as it is local loop from your office to your collocation
> centre where you will be providing SaaS solutions.
> Regards
>
> Robert Yawe
> KAY System Technologies Ltd
> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
> Kenya
>
> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
>
> ________________________________
> From: Agosta Liko <agostal at gmail.com>
> To: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Sent: Fri, 24 September, 2010 9:50:23
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] ISPs slap Ndemo
>
> Robert
>
> Si you start an ISP ? ... with 1:1 @ USD50 per MB ... I will be a customer
>
> Just thinking
>
> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 9:44 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> When we talk about 1 MB for $500/- I believe we are referring to a
>> dedicated
>> connection with a contention ratio of 1:1 not shared provided by the ISPs
>> of
>> 1:∞.  So the ISP buys the 1 MB at $500/- dollars and sells it to 20
>> subscribers at $50/- a culture they developed during the good old days of
>> satellite.
>> In addition the 1 MB is not from your equipment to the ISP but should be
>> the
>> entire route into the Internet.  Exploited we still are and as has been
>> said
>> by many the prices have still not come down sufficiently.
>>
>> Robert Yawe
>> KAY System Technologies Ltd
>> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
>> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
>> Kenya
>>
>> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe at gmail.com>
>> To: robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk
>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>> Sent: Thu, 23 September, 2010 17:21:40
>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] ISPs slap Ndemo
>>
>> I'm sorry to sound like a broken record but I don't know any ISP in Kenya
>> selling 1Mb for >$500 - and anybody who is being extorted like this should
>> go to a reputable ISP and get their service for tens of dollars, not
>> hundreds....
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Edwin Onchari <eonchari at lynxbits.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> “naomba serikali” or not…government policies ultimately affect demand and
>>> supply laws in any market. While the call here is not to go the Finish
>>> way
>>> of making it a right for all citizens to have access to 1Mb of broadband
>>> by
>>> 2015, or UK’s 2Mb, GOK can move to create an environment that will
>>> encourage
>>> our good ISPs  lower the current rates, currently  >$500- remember, the
>>> potential bulk users in Kenya earn <$1/day!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Edwin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sales without Customer Service........is like stuffing money into a
>>> pocket
>>> full of holes.
>>> DAVID TOOMA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Brian Munyao Longwe [mailto:blongwe at gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 4:20 PM
>>> To: Edwin Onchari
>>>
>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] ISPs slap Ndemo
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Is this another case of "naomba serikali inisaidie" - which is to typical
>>> of us Kenyans....
>>>
>>> It is my firm belief that we have a free and open market for internet
>>> services in Kenya - with little or no barriers to entry for any player.
>>> Could it just be that the rules of supply and demand are applying and
>>> thereby preventing the "drastic" drops in pricing that it seems many of
>>> use
>>> are dreaming about?
>>>
>>> I think Walu is asking the right kinds of questions - how do we adjust
>>> the
>>> supply/demand equation to bring about the desired results?
>>>
>>> In my honest opinion government has been doing a good job of staying out
>>> of business - let's keep it that way.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Edwin Onchari <eonchari at lynxbits.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Better yet, GOK should slice up its 40% stake and sell to smaller
>>> businesses that are willing to play ball, so that Kenyans are not at the
>>> mercy of a handful ISPs that cannot get their act together
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Edwin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sales without Customer Service........is like stuffing money into a
>>> pocket
>>> full of holes.
>>> DAVID TOOMA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>>> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com at lists.kictanet.or.ke] On
>>> Behalf Of Harry Hare
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 2:35 PM
>>> To: Edwin
>>>
>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] ISPs slap Ndemo
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> Who in this forum thought it possible to enjoy the new calling rates
>>> which
>>> are 50% of what we used to pay? My point, we need a disruptive force that
>>> will force the ISPs to lower their rates. The Government still hold 40%
>>> of
>>> TEAMS, and I remember the PS once saying that he will use this if the
>>> operators fail to drop their costs. Probably this is the time...this,
>>> together with NOFBI, the ministry has capacity to roll out a project like
>>> -
>>> “free internet for all”, another first from Kenya.
>>>
>>> Think about it.
>>>
>>> Harry
>>>
>>> On 9/23/10 2:14 PM, "Walubengo J" <jwalu at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes WHOLESALE prices are down by 80% but RETAIL prices remain relatively
>>> high.  Are the ISP/Telco eating up the difference by way of
>>> SUPER-PROFITS?
>>>
>>> Not sure. There are multiple and intermediary variables that play between
>>> the Wholesale Level and the Retail Level that includes, but not limited
>>> to
>>> Cost of Local loops, Usage/Volume Levels,  Local Content, Regulatory&
>>> Competition Environments, Charging Models, etc.
>>>
>>> The challenge is to get a way in which to measure and establish which of
>>> the above variables will have the biggest, positive and sustainable
>>> impact
>>> on Retail Internet pricing.  Worse still, a "wrong" distortion of any of
>>> the
>>> above maybe counterproductive to the others in the long run. It requires
>>> a
>>> delicate balance of the whole ecosystem.
>>>
>>> But perhaps I could be wrong..
>>>
>>>
>>> walu.
>>>
>>> --- On Thu, 9/23/10, McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> From: McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] ISPs slap Ndemo
>>> To: jwalu at yahoo.com
>>> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>> Date: Thursday, September 23, 2010, 2:28 PM
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Edwin Onchari <eonchari at lynxbits.com
>>> </mc/compose?to=eonchari at lynxbits.com> > wrote:
>>> > Yes Dennis,
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Take the case of the US for instance. 1 Mb (dedicated) is going for
>>> > less
>>> > than $50…
>>>
>>> Wholesale cost there is ~$2.50 for 1 Mb/sec
>>>
>>> >in Kenya, it’s anything between $500-$800.
>>>
>>> Wholesale price in Kenya?  Around 50 USD per Mb/sec  (in Mombasa) is
>>> what I heard recently from an industry player.  That is probably for a
>>> volume purchase of course.
>>>
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