<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div></div><div>Hi,</div><div><br></div><div>Your current ISP charges you $500 for a 1MB link from your location to his edge router, after that it is called best effort especially since most ISPs do not have bandwidth managers.</div><div><br></div><div>I will take this seriously and do not back down when I come to you to signup.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards<br> </div>Robert Yawe<br>KAY System Technologies Ltd<br>Phoenix House, 6th Floor<br>P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200<br>Kenya<br><br><div>Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696<div><br></div><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><br><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b>
Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Fri, 24 September, 2010 10:01:06<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [kictanet] ISPs slap Ndemo<br></font><br>no Robert<br><br>1MB for 50USD ... to anywhere ... I dont get limitations from my<br>current providers<br><br>your thoughts ?<br><br>On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 10:00 AM, robert yawe <<a ymailto="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk" href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br>> Hi,<br>> Fine, so long as it is local loop from your office to your collocation<br>> centre where you will be providing SaaS solutions.<br>> Regards<br>><br>> Robert Yawe<br>> KAY System
Technologies Ltd<br>> Phoenix House, 6th Floor<br>> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200<br>> Kenya<br>><br>> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696<br>><br>> ________________________________<br>> From: Agosta Liko <<a ymailto="mailto:agostal@gmail.com" href="mailto:agostal@gmail.com">agostal@gmail.com</a>><br>> To: robert yawe <<a ymailto="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk" href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a>><br>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <<a ymailto="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>> Sent: Fri, 24 September, 2010 9:50:23<br>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] ISPs slap Ndemo<br>><br>> Robert<br>><br>> Si you start an ISP ? ... with 1:1 @ USD50 per MB ... I will be a customer<br>><br>> Just thinking<br>><br>> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 9:44 AM, robert yawe <<a
ymailto="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk" href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br>>> Hi,<br>>> When we talk about 1 MB for $500/- I believe we are referring to a<br>>> dedicated<br>>> connection with a contention ratio of 1:1 not shared provided by the ISPs<br>>> of<br>>> 1:∞. So the ISP buys the 1 MB at $500/- dollars and sells it to 20<br>>> subscribers at $50/- a culture they developed during the good old days of<br>>> satellite.<br>>> In addition the 1 MB is not from your equipment to the ISP but should be<br>>> the<br>>> entire route into the Internet. Exploited we still are and as has been<br>>> said<br>>> by many the prices have still not come down sufficiently.<br>>><br>>> Robert Yawe<br>>> KAY System Technologies Ltd<br>>> Phoenix House, 6th Floor<br>>> P O Box 55806 Nairobi,
00200<br>>> Kenya<br>>><br>>> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696<br>>><br>>> ________________________________<br>>> From: Brian Munyao Longwe <<a ymailto="mailto:blongwe@gmail.com" href="mailto:blongwe@gmail.com">blongwe@gmail.com</a>><br>>> To: <a ymailto="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk" href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a><br>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <<a ymailto="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>>> Sent: Thu, 23 September, 2010 17:21:40<br>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] ISPs slap Ndemo<br>>><br>>> I'm sorry to sound like a broken record but I don't know any ISP in Kenya<br>>> selling 1Mb for >$500 - and anybody who is being extorted like this should<br>>> go to a reputable ISP and get their service for tens of dollars, not<br>>>
hundreds....<br>>><br>>> Brian<br>>><br>>> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Edwin Onchari <<a ymailto="mailto:eonchari@lynxbits.com" href="mailto:eonchari@lynxbits.com">eonchari@lynxbits.com</a>><br>>> wrote:<br>>>><br>>>> “naomba serikali” or not…government policies ultimately affect demand and<br>>>> supply laws in any market. While the call here is not to go the Finish<br>>>> way<br>>>> of making it a right for all citizens to have access to 1Mb of broadband<br>>>> by<br>>>> 2015, or UK’s 2Mb, GOK can move to create an environment that will<br>>>> encourage<br>>>> our good ISPs lower the current rates, currently >$500- remember, the<br>>>> potential bulk users in Kenya earn <$1/day!<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>>
Edwin<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> Sales without Customer Service........is like stuffing money into a<br>>>> pocket<br>>>> full of holes.<br>>>> DAVID TOOMA<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> From: Brian Munyao Longwe [mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:blongwe@gmail.com" href="mailto:blongwe@gmail.com">blongwe@gmail.com</a>]<br>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 4:20 PM<br>>>> To: Edwin Onchari<br>>>><br>>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<br>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] ISPs slap Ndemo<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> Hi all,<br>>>><br>>>> Is this another case of "naomba serikali inisaidie" - which is to typical<br>>>> of us Kenyans....<br>>>><br>>>> It is my firm belief that we have a free and open market for internet<br>>>> services
in Kenya - with little or no barriers to entry for any player.<br>>>> Could it just be that the rules of supply and demand are applying and<br>>>> thereby preventing the "drastic" drops in pricing that it seems many of<br>>>> use<br>>>> are dreaming about?<br>>>><br>>>> I think Walu is asking the right kinds of questions - how do we adjust<br>>>> the<br>>>> supply/demand equation to bring about the desired results?<br>>>><br>>>> In my honest opinion government has been doing a good job of staying out<br>>>> of business - let's keep it that way.<br>>>><br>>>> Regards,<br>>>><br>>>> Brian<br>>>><br>>>> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Edwin Onchari <<a ymailto="mailto:eonchari@lynxbits.com" href="mailto:eonchari@lynxbits.com">eonchari@lynxbits.com</a>><br>>>>
wrote:<br>>>><br>>>> Better yet, GOK should slice up its 40% stake and sell to smaller<br>>>> businesses that are willing to play ball, so that Kenyans are not at the<br>>>> mercy of a handful ISPs that cannot get their act together<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> Edwin<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> Sales without Customer Service........is like stuffing money into a<br>>>> pocket<br>>>> full of holes.<br>>>> DAVID TOOMA<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> From: kictanet-bounces+eonchari=<a ymailto="mailto:lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke" href="mailto:lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke">lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br>>>> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eonchari=<a ymailto="mailto:lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke"
href="mailto:lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke">lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>] On<br>>>> Behalf Of Harry Hare<br>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 2:35 PM<br>>>> To: Edwin<br>>>><br>>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<br>>>><br>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] ISPs slap Ndemo<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> Hello All,<br>>>><br>>>> Who in this forum thought it possible to enjoy the new calling rates<br>>>> which<br>>>> are 50% of what we used to pay? My point, we need a disruptive force that<br>>>> will force the ISPs to lower their rates. The Government still hold 40%<br>>>> of<br>>>> TEAMS, and I remember the PS once saying that he will use this if the<br>>>> operators fail to drop their costs. Probably this is the time...this,<br>>>> together with NOFBI, the
ministry has capacity to roll out a project like<br>>>> -<br>>>> “free internet for all”, another first from Kenya.<br>>>><br>>>> Think about it.<br>>>><br>>>> Harry<br>>>><br>>>> On 9/23/10 2:14 PM, "Walubengo J" <<a ymailto="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com" href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>>>><br>>>> Yes WHOLESALE prices are down by 80% but RETAIL prices remain relatively<br>>>> high. Are the ISP/Telco eating up the difference by way of<br>>>> SUPER-PROFITS?<br>>>><br>>>> Not sure. There are multiple and intermediary variables that play between<br>>>> the Wholesale Level and the Retail Level that includes, but not limited<br>>>> to<br>>>> Cost of Local loops, Usage/Volume Levels, Local Content, Regulatory&<br>>>> Competition Environments, Charging
Models, etc.<br>>>><br>>>> The challenge is to get a way in which to measure and establish which of<br>>>> the above variables will have the biggest, positive and sustainable<br>>>> impact<br>>>> on Retail Internet pricing. Worse still, a "wrong" distortion of any of<br>>>> the<br>>>> above maybe counterproductive to the others in the long run. It requires<br>>>> a<br>>>> delicate balance of the whole ecosystem.<br>>>><br>>>> But perhaps I could be wrong..<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> walu.<br>>>><br>>>> --- On Thu, 9/23/10, McTim <<a ymailto="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com" href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com">dogwallah@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>>><br>>>> From: McTim <<a ymailto="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com" href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com">dogwallah@gmail.com</a>><br>>>> Subject:
Re: [kictanet] ISPs slap Ndemo<br>>>> To: <a ymailto="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com" href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</a><br>>>> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <<a ymailto="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>>>> Date: Thursday, September 23, 2010, 2:28 PM<br>>>><br>>>> Hi,<br>>>><br>>>> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Edwin Onchari <<a ymailto="mailto:eonchari@lynxbits.com" href="mailto:eonchari@lynxbits.com">eonchari@lynxbits.com</a><br>>>> </mc/compose?to=<a ymailto="mailto:eonchari@lynxbits.com" href="mailto:eonchari@lynxbits.com">eonchari@lynxbits.com</a>> > wrote:<br>>>> > Yes Dennis,<br>>>> ><br>>>> ><br>>>> ><br>>>> > Take the case of the US for instance. 1 Mb (dedicated) is going for<br>>>>
> less<br>>>> > than $50…<br>>>><br>>>> Wholesale cost there is ~$2.50 for 1 Mb/sec<br>>>><br>>>> >in Kenya, it’s anything between $500-$800.<br>>>><br>>>> Wholesale price in Kenya? Around 50 USD per Mb/sec (in Mombasa) is<br>>>> what I heard recently from an industry player. That is probably for a<br>>>> volume purchase of course.<br>>>><br>>>> African eDevelopment Resource Centre<br>>>> eDevelopment House : : 604 Limuru Road<br>>>> Old Muthaiga : : P O Box 49475 00100<br>>>> Nairobi : : Kenya<br>>>> T +254 20 3741646/7 : : C +254 725 650044<br>>>><br>>>> Training : : Research: :Consultancy: : Publishing<br>>>><br>>>> No virus found in this incoming message.<br>>>><br><span>>>> Checked by AVG -
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