[kictanet] Commodity Exchange System

Thu Sep 23 11:13:33 EAT 2010

Robert, I think you missed my point.

I wear clothes by Kenyan fashion designers, shoes made locally, use mugs
made here, and I have had all my office furniture made on Ngong Road.

If my locally made furniture is a bit out of shape because the wood wasn't
dried properly, no harm done. If a trading system messes up, potentially
massive harm done.

I recall discussions a week or two ago, on this very list, about mobile
operators' billing and other systems, and how people got very worked up that
this wasn't working properly. And rightly so. How is this different from a
trading system?

In conclusion: I honestly don't care where the system comes from. I need it
to work. That's the beauty of a global economy: you have the choice to buy
whatever works best for you. If Kenyan companies compete on that level:
excellent. If they don't - I'll buy from someone else.

Andrea

On 23 September 2010 10:23, robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Who had tested the DOS operating system, Windows OS and closer to home
> MPesa/MKesho/PAP?  Even God created Adam and used him as a prototype for
> testing.
>
> All systems must begin somewhere, at some point there was nothing but did
> the fellows who developed the NSE's ATS system begin with a fully tested and
> proven solution, NO.
>
> Lets stop belittling ourselves, I got children without having to pass an
> exam on parenting so why do we think that we cannot develop a reliable
> solution from scratch, we are baby cries all we do is complain, complain,
> complain and when an opportunity presents itself we crucify it, stone it and
> finally burn it at the stake.
>
> This can only be explained with the great words of our mighty President,
> "hi ni u kumbafu" and as interpreted, by one Hon. Michuki, for the
> uninitiated like Andrea "ni mutu ambaye anajua kile anatakiwa kufanya lakini
> anakataa kukifanya, huyo ni KUBAFU".
>
> We we cannot pull ourselves out of this importation quagmire lets stop
> consuming bandwidth that the ISPs have sworn never to reduce in price.
>
> Lets all have a good day dressed in our imported suites, using imported
> software, on imported computers and sitting on imported chairs.
>
> Asimuamushe alielala . . .
>
> Regards
>
> Robert Yawe
> KAY System Technologies Ltd
> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
> Kenya
>
> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Andrea Bohnstedt <andrea.bohnstedt at ratio-magazine.com>
> *To:* robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk
> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> *Sent:* Thu, 23 September, 2010 9:35:41
>
> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Commodity Exchange System
>
> Hey all,
>
> Both the NSE and a future commodity exchange are trading platforms, and I
> think it's crucial, absolutely crucial, that they have flawless technology
> behind them - look at it from the perspective of anyone who trades on them,
> whether small retail investors (of which Kenya has hundreds of thousands) or
> large brokers.
>
> I actually don't care where such a system comes from, whether it's built
> locally or abroad. But I don't think these are the right places to
> experiment with new systems. It has to be tried and tested and reliable.
>
> Have a lovely Thursday,
> Andrea
>
> On 23 September 2010 09:23, Edith Adera <eadera at idrc.or.ke> wrote:
>
>>  In other African countries, even where such large projects are
>> outsourced to foreigners, twinning is done with local IT firms as a
>> requirement and subsequent roll-out to branch offices are done entirely by
>> locals - I'm aware of a massive systems deployment within government in a
>> neighboring country where such twinning is being done and the system
>> roll-out will be done by locals. NCPB is a government agency, correct? If
>> so, the government should look inward first!
>>
>> Dr Ndemo, any comment? You've always been an advocate of local innovation.
>>
>> Why do we have global award winners who can't be tried and tested locally?
>> what policy should be in place to encourage local software innovation? The
>> argument that local firms are free to competet alongside international firms
>> at this stage of our development is a "tired" argument in my view. Some
>> "affirmative action" policy may be necessary.
>>
>> Edith
>>
>>
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>>
>> *Edith Ofwona Adera *
>>
>> Senior Program Specialist
>>
>> ICT4D Program and Climate Change & Water Program
>>
>> International Development Research Centre | Centre de recherches pour le
>> développement international
>>
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>>
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>>   ------------------------------
>> *From:* kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke[kictanet-bounces+eadera=
>> idrc.or.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Mwololo Tim [
>> timwololo at gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* 23 September 2010 08:26
>> *To:* Edith Adera
>>
>> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Commodity Exchange System
>>
>>  Hi everyone,
>> Let us instead push for a policy that is supportive of local software
>> development. Giving up is not an option. Rgds. tm
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 2:22 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
>>
>>>   Hi,
>>>
>>>  The National Cereals and Produce Board together with the East African
>>> Grain Council are working towards the creation of a commodity exchange to
>>> trade futures.
>>>
>>>  This process is at an advanced stage which begun with a process called
>>> warehouse receipting and currently Equity Bank offers credit against the
>>> receipts.
>>>
>>>  What does this have to do with us in the IT field?  When the Nairobi
>>> Stock Exchange tendered for the automated trading system (ATS) and more
>>> recently for the Broker Back-office System no local IT company made it past
>>> the 1st round.
>>>
>>>  The fact that companies like Virtual City are winning international
>>> awards for systems development and others like PesaPal are receiving large
>>> direct foreign investments means that we do have the skills to develop world
>>> class solutions.
>>>
>>>  This is an appeal to all ICT experts in the country to prepare
>>> ourselves to make sure that the grain exchange system is locally developed
>>> and we stop being spectators in our own country.  I know it is said that a
>>> prophet is never recognised in his own town, it is time we made this phrase
>>> redundant.
>>>
>>>  NCPB and others are already shopping overseas for a solution so be
>>> warned that time is not in our hands and if we are to have an impact we need
>>> to move quickly.
>>>
>>>  The proposed system is supposed to provide a trading platform,
>>> depository system, GIS for land information, settlement system, warehouse
>>> management, weather monitoring and seed planting information system
>>> (acreage, seed type, fertiliser, etc).
>>>
>>>  Lets get off our high horses and put a together a world class solution
>>> for a local problem.  No tears after the horse has bolted.
>>>
>>>  Useful links
>>>
>>>
>>> http://dn.nationmedia.com/DN/DN/2010/09/03/ArticleHtmls/03_09_2010_030_014.shtml
>>> http://allafrica.com/stories/200904271171.html
>>>  <http://allafrica.com/stories/200904271171.html>
>>> http://www.ratin.net/mainfeature.asp?id=40
>>>  <http://www.ratin.net/mainfeature.asp?id=40>
>>> http://www.monitor.co.ug/Business/Smart%20Money/-/688614/899436/-/bypmdxz/-/index.html
>>> <http://www.monitor.co.ug/Business/Smart%20Money/-/688614/899436/-/bypmdxz/-/index.html>
>>> http://www.unctad.info/upload/SUC/LusakaWorkshop/WarehouseServicesKenya.pdf
>>> <http://www.unctad.info/upload/SUC/LusakaWorkshop/WarehouseServicesKenya.pdf>
>>>
>>> Robert Yawe
>>> KAY System Technologies Ltd
>>> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
>>> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
>>> Kenya
>>>
>>> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
>>>
>>>
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