[kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest-Draft DataProtectionBill?

Wed Jul 28 06:03:43 EAT 2010

Hi Dr. Ndemo,
The re-developed policy was never shared with stakeholders, at least as far
as I can remember. Could you kindly share it. tm

On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 11:23 AM, <bitange at jambo.co.ke> wrote:

> Hon. Rege,
> Indeed the AG cleared the Bill only to find out that the policy that
> developed it was not sufficient.  We quickly developed the policy and sent
> it to Cabinet.  It is waiting to go through the Cabinet Sub Committee
> Chaired by the PM before getting to Full Cabinet.
>
> I know you can push it through from where it is at the moment.
>
>
> Regards
>
>
> Ndemo.
>
>
>
>
>
> > Dear Colleagues,
> > I have been a way from civilization, campaigning for the "Yes" katiba for
> > sometime now. In fact I am not supposed to be in  Nairobi City today but
> > came back for the IGF.
> > Engineer John Kariuki, please correct me if I am wrong in my
> understanding
> > that it would be prudent to have FOI Act before the Data Protection one?
> > Two weeks ago I ran into the AG in Parliament.  I asked him if the FOI
> has
> > been cleared and ready for presentation on the floor of the House.  His
> > answer was that the document is with the Ministry.  Dr Ndemo, please
> > advise.
> >
> > Kind regards
> > Hon. James Rege, MP, Karachuonyo
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > On Jul 26, 2010, at 9:15 AM, Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > @ Ndemo,
> >
> > I hear you. We must also find a way to educate our Cabinet that the
> phrase
> >  "1 day in Politics is a long time" does apply more in ICTs than in
> > politics...If they endorse an ICT bill discussed four years ago, the ICT
> > terrain would have changed significantly to warrant a review of the
> > earlier discussions...
> >
> > walu.
> >
> >
> > --- On Sat, 7/24/10, bitange at jambo.co.ke <bitange at jambo.co.ke> wrote:
> >
> > From: bitange at jambo.co.ke <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest-Draft
> > DataProtectionBill?
> > To: "Walubengo J" <jwalu at yahoo.com>
> > Cc: bitange at jambo.co.ke, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions"
> > <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > Date: Saturday, July 24, 2010, 4:03 PM
> >
> > Walibengo,
> > I am equallly frustrated because it takes at least four years to go
> > through Cabinet, AG's office and Parliament.  These are processes beyond
> > my control.
> >
> > Iy you recall, we merged the two FOIs, the Prof. Nyongo one and our own
> > draft.  We indeed agreed that I send to Cabinet.  I have promised
> > practically anyone I meet that the bill will soon be out of Cabinet soon.
> > I am confident that it will happen one day since FOI for example is an
> > agenda 4 item.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> >
> >
> > Ndemo.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> Bwana PS,
> >>
> >> true that these drafts were debated and i recall attending the forum at
> >> KSPS. Problem is this was a while back (2006-7) but the problem has
> >> always
> >> been that you never get to know what part of non-government stakeholders
> >> contributions were taken on board (went to the cabinet) and which parts
> >> were ignored.
> >>
> >> Eventually ofcourse one will get to know the details when the Bill gets
> >> to
> >> the floor of Parliament. And then the real challenge starts in that if
> >> other stakeholders think that what is before parliament is not
> >> "inclusive"
> >> enough, they will try to influence MPs to change it accordingly.  At
> >> that
> >> level ONLY the big "influential" stakeholders (read: donors/private
> >> sector) can get the attention of the MPs; let alone their "buy-in" to
> >> make
> >> changes (read: forget our famous wanjiku's input at this level)
> >>
> >> Finally, even if the big stakeholders do get their changes in, if at all
> >> the Executive feels that those changes significantly alter their
> >> original
> >> policy objectives, they can always play the red card (veto) and take the
> >> whole process back to square1.
> >>
> >> So in short, my submission is that it is always cheaper to build and
> >> probably more importantly confirm consensus at the beginning of the
> >> policy
> >> process rather than towards the end.
> >>
> >> walu.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --- On Sat, 7/24/10, bitange at jambo.co.ke <bitange at jambo.co.ke> wrote:
> >>
> >> From: bitange at jambo.co.ke <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest-Draft
> >> DataProtectionBill?
> >> To: jwalu at yahoo.com
> >> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> >> Date: Saturday, July 24, 2010, 9:17 AM
> >>
> >> We debated the FOI and Data Protection at School of Monetary studies.
> >> We
> >> shall as public have another go at it when it is published and gone
> >> through the first reading in Parliament.
> >>
> >> Ndemo.
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my BlackBerry®
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: David Otwoma <otwomad at gmail.com>
> >> Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> >> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 08:52:40
> >> To: <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
> >> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest-Draft Data
> >>     ProtectionBill?
> >>
> >> Dear Edith,
> >>
> >> Cabinet Memoranda are classified documents intended for tabling in
> >> Cabinet Meetings. These documents are regulated by strict rules issued
> >> by the Presidency ...when they are approved then the Bill goes to
> >> Parliament and is again in the public domain for your input as per
> >> Parliamentary procedures.
> >>
> >> Enjoy your Furahi day all.
> >>
> >> Kind regards
> >>
> >> David
> >>
> >> On 7/22/10, Edith Adera <eadera at idrc.or.ke> wrote:
> >>> Dr Ndemo,
> >>>
> >>> Can it not be circulated to stakeholders for review? Wasn't a
> >>> participatory
> >>> process followed to draft it?
> >>>
> >>> Edith
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
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> >>> Behalf
> >>> Of bitange at jambo.co.ke
> >>> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 11:03 AM
> >>> To: Edith Adera
> >>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> >>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest-Draft Data
> >>> ProtectionBill?
> >>>
> >>> The draft bill is in Cabinet.
> >>>
> >>> Ndemo.
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my BlackBerry(r)
> >>>
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> >>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Privacy vs National Interest-Draft Data
> >>> Protection
> >>>     Bill?
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