[kictanet] Kenya IGF 2010, Discussions :Day 4 of 8 Theme : Critical Internet Resources

[Judy Okite]

Dear McTim,

thank you, for youre insightful thoughts.....

if I read you correct....is that Kenya is where it is regarding to IPV6,
because of lack of Knowledge or Capacity?

e.g we do have engineers- so that shouldn't be the reason why SA is ahead of
us in terms of deployment, right?

Kind Regards,


 On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 7:08 PM, McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 6:15 AM, lordmwesh <lordmwesh at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Policy on IPV6 would come in handy.
>
> We have a Pan-African IPv6 policy.  You can read it here:
>
> http://www.afrinic.net/docs/policies/AFPUB-2004-v6-001.htm
>
>  Assume that one day we wake up, and
> > there are no more public IPV4 to allocate, yet our companies and
> government
> > agencies are stuck with IPV4 hardware.
>
> Unless their kit is like 15 years old, then this is not the case.  All
> *Nix boes, Apple, and Windows (NT and after IIRC) are v6 ready.
>
> It's the CPEs/home routers that we need to be concerned about.  Many
> are not v6 compatible.  Doesn't matter where you are in the world.
>
>  According to AFRINIC, we only have
> > like 370 days to exhaustion of IPV4.
>
> Well, what does that mean? It means that IANA will have no more /8s of
> v4 to allocate to RIRs.  AfriNIC will have v4 for at least another
> year after that.
>
> > @Barrack, you are right by calling us names "A copy paste society" J. But
> > don’t forget the East achieved innovation and growth by first realizing
> that
> > "imitate then innovate" is just as good. Ask Tata motors who now own big
> > brands like Land Rover.
>
> TATA also run SEACOM and have a PoP in KE.
>
> > Congratulations to the relevant Kenyan Ministries of Technology which
> have
> > really endeavored to be being abreast with changing trends in the tech
> field
> > despite the many challenges we face. On innovation, our universities and
> > institutes have outdates labs, and teach outdated subject that were copy
> > pasted some years back from the west. Solutions to these problems have to
> be
> > found.
>
>
> KENET is implementing v6 across its network, no?
>
> >
> >
> >
> > As much as Muchuki has put a good effort in explaining the update of IPV6
> in
> > Kenya, we are far behind our Brothers in South Africa as shown
> > http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/dfp/all/?country=za
>
> as expected..they are a bigger market and have more engineers to do
> things like deploy v6.
>
> >
> > Early adoption of IPV6 would help us learn and get experience on the
> various
> > services and innovation that we can implement on the new IP scheme.
>
> "early adoption" would have been done a decade ago.
>
>  We don’t
> > want to be struggling with implementing IPV6 systems decades down the
> line
> > after the west are comfortably using theirs.
>
> Not to worry, the West will implement v6 pole pole, just like KE.
>
>  Michuki put it correctly, we
> > need the experience of using the new scheme, not just the theory we learn
> in
> > Cisco classes. And experience can only be achieved by implementation
>
> that's right, have you dual stacked your network? Maybe we should have
> a competition amongst network operators?
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > DNSSEC signing of the root domain server will surely improve cyber
> security.
>
> only if your nameserver uses DNSSEC.
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Some social complexities of DNSSEC according to
> > http://epic.org/privacy/dnssec/ have been identified
>
> a page that has a misleading headline of "Google Expands Control of
> Internet Architecture:" leads me to think twice about their
> perspective.
>
> >
> > The DNS system consists of both resolvers (find the DNS data for a DNS
> name)
> > and hosts (those that publish DNS data for a domain name).
>
> hmmm, I would say there are resolvers and other nameservers, not hosts.
>
>  The pilot in
> > Sweden has shown that DNSSEC is only of value when both the hosts and
> > resolvers deploy
>
> of course, all links in the chain MUST speak DNSSEC.
>
> @Walu:  Dude, It';s not your fault, and it's not the fault of
> AfriNIC/Kenyan IPv6 Task Force.  If ISPs don't use v6 it's becasue
> there is no DEMAND for it (yet).  Customers create demand, the GoK
> could mandate v6 connectivity in all their contracts with ISPs,
> starting with KT/Oranje running their fiber net.
>
> I think your being a bit paranoid about the rich world here....It is
> not possible for the well off to "grab all the Internet Resources from
> the poor South...".  You shold know this, and being part of the Board
> of the NIC, you should fight this kind of misperception, not
> perpetuate it!!
>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> McTim
> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
> route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
>
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