[kictanet] Kenya IGF 2010 Mailing List Discussions Day 2 of 8 Theme : Infrastructure Issues - Impact of the Fibre Optic Cable IGF Mailing List Discussions

Wed Jul 7 17:15:45 EAT 2010

Thanks Dr. Siganga for that Insightfull response and for provoking our minds
to explore cloud computing at a deeper angle, as you have rightly mentioned,
it is likely to have far reaching effects on on the local Internet
Landscape, we cam explore the issue on day 5 after exploring Critical
Internet Resources, we look forwad to your insight as we delve into the
issue.

On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 4:06 PM, waudo siganga <emailsignet at mailcan.com>wrote:

> Dear Barrack - thanks for your good work moderating the discussion despite
> your busy schedule in Geneva. I just want to comment on the issue of Cloud
> Computing that you and Okech have raised - I think this issue  requires some
> thorough analysis given that it is this year's "Emerging Issue" in Lithuania
> and indeed the Government of Kenya and the private sector will collaborate
> on a workshop on the same. I suggest that somehow you squeeze it into its
> own day of discussion. Specifically it would be useful to establish how
> Cloud Computing is likely to impact  the processes, customs, policies, laws,
> and institutions affecting the  way the Internet is directed, administered
> and controlled. It would also be useful to explore the possible changes
> and/or impacts on the relationships among  the many stakeholders of IG that
> you mentioned earlier. Another question is: how does cloud computing impact
> the goals for  which  the Internet is governed - including the IG4D
> perspective?
>
> Kind Regards,
> Waudo
>
>  On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 15:19 +0200, "Barrack Otieno" <
> otieno.barrack at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks Okech, i suppose there were some crossed wires somewhere, on the
> Contrary i was wondering whether Cloud Computing would render the
> investments we have made in Infrastructure Obsolete and whether we are
> prepared for this eventuality, your comments are noted though.
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Okech <okechjr at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>   Listers,
>
> I have been going through the thread and have some few comments that I
> would like to make and here it goes.....
>
> Judy, we may not really need to be patient but we may need to study the
> progress and asses if it is indeed doing the right pace. How do we do that
> then? I’m not sure exactly, but if there was some visionary documentation on
> the intended progress with the coming of fibre cables then that would do.
> Nonetheless the intention was to boost our economy by creating more jobs and
> opening up our country for trade and other investment.
>
> I will agree with Sam Guyo that we need to stop complaining but consider
> the bags of goodies that the cables promise us. However, how will we why we
> can‘t catch with the rest of the world or simply why we are not ahead yet we
> have all the three cable links with us? Solomon opines the loss we
> experience due to the breakdown of SEACOM cable. If we keep quiet how will
> it be know? In fact, he goes ahead to wonder if the delay could be a result
> of some sabotage. Well, Solomon, I believe it isn’t sabotage. Even china had
> such an experience that made them lose billions yet they are such higher in
> technology than we are. Basically, locating faults in fibre optics and more
> so undersea fibres is really difficult. But am certain they will sort it
> somehow.
>
> I have also read from the list that there are hidden benefits of undersea
> connectivity. The tenets that have convinced several providers to indicate
> an intention of or move their hqs to Kenya is a well laid pointer that we
> are heading the right direction. However, are simply in the rush just
> because the networks exist (well put by Victor “…as the 'silver bullet'
> that would slay the problems facing the ICT industry”)? Or are they
> getting some convincing information somewhere we do not know? I am informed
> that Sam has some insight please share as this will make us have some
> informed arguments.
>
> Lastly, barrack inquired if the infrastructure would make cloud computing
> obsolete. I’m sure not. My understanding of cloud computing is that it rides
> on a well laid infrastructure. And that means tha our infrastructure will
> indeed enhance it. We will no longer need to keep very e expensive server
> rooms! However, what I really decry for……where are the providers of cloud
> computing operating from? Do we have some locally centred? If not….how do we
> benefit?
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Okech JM
> My blog <http://james-okech.blogspot.com>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 7/7/10, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya IGF 2010 Mailing List Discussions Day 2 of 8
> Theme : Infrastructure Issues - Impact of the Fibre Optic Cable IGF Mailing
> List Discussions
> To: okechjr at yahoo.com
>
> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Date: Wednesday, July 7, 2010, 5:35 AM
>
>
>
> Dear Judy,
>
> There are risks and costs to every program of action, something had to be
> done, and as someone once said patience pays, the feasibility study
> mentality has costed us more than the initiatives that have been conducted
> so far.
>
> Kind Regards
>
> On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Judy Okite <FastMail.FM WARNING: URL text
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> wrote:
>
> we all seem to be on the same page....yes, we(consumers) are not pleased or
> have not yet felt the impact of the fibre cables....
>
> so yes, despite the risen demand of the internet, the costs are still very
> high...we have been saying that for awhile to empty promises of they  will
> come down 'soon'
>
> can we say that what is going on is, teething problems? and we need to be
> patient? ..
> in the mean time, who is paying for the 'patience' ?
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Barrack Otieno <FastMail.FM WARNING: URL
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> wrote:
>
>
> Well put Solomon, if i got Sams post correctly, some research in underway,
> i hope he doesnt mind sharing some snipets on this list, there seems to be
> silent consensus that we are on the right track any differing views :-)
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Solomon Mburu Kamau <FastMail.FM WARNING:
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>
> And there is the element of  demand vs supply. While in essence, there
> was no task force et al that was pre-commissioned to look into the
> need of essentiality of the fibre cables, (I stand to be corrected on
> this), the govt of Kenya thought it wise to have the cables landed,
> anyway.
> The consumers, on their part, had a number of views on the effects
> (both -ve and +ve) of the cables, realistically, changing their
> thoughts at the end of having them landing.
>
> Nevertheless, we can't throw the fibre cables out of the window
> because of this 'blunder'. A lot of opportunities now exist based on
> the factual results being felt.
> It is imperative to ask ourselves, just as it has been pointed out,
> why had Zain, to be known as Airtel, to have the African headquarters
> in Nairobi, yet there are other 14 nations in Africa where Zain
> International operates? This remember, despite the political hue and
> cue!
>
> Maybe we shouldn't be impatient, and after some years, we can point
> fingers out.
> I'm still believing that there was/is a need to have a time-line for
> assessing the impact of these infrastructure.
>
>
> On 07/07/2010, Barrack Otieno <FastMail.FM WARNING: URL text and host
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> wrote:
> > Thank you Charles and Sam for your observation and positive outlook. I
> agree
> > with Sam, having a highway without vehicles to ply on is a mirage
> > nonetheless Charles is right in pointing out the very fact with the few
> > vehicles on the highway the future looks bright. That nothwithstanding
> and
> > considering the fact that 70 percent of our economy is composed of the
> > informal sector we need a sustained campaign that will ensure this
> segment
> > is brought onto the Super highway.
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 6:26 AM, Sam Aguyo <FastMail.FM WARNING: URL text
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> >
> >> Dear Listeners,
> >>
> >> I think we need to be more inward looking, the golden murmur should have
> >> been Seacom is down so our BPOs are suffering huge losses.  Indeed we
> have
> >> the superhighway but apparently not vehicles to run on it.   When the
> Anti
> >> Terrorist Police Unit first released its rapid communication channels i
> >> had
> >> worries since it was a yahoo.com address, am glad they quickly changed
> and
> >> now it is go.ke, a good development.  We now have 3 cables if am not
> >> mistaken but if there are no Buses not even matatus to ply on them, then
> >> they are a mirage.
> >>
> >> Considerable impact will be felt when we stop, think, ponder and seize
> the
> >> opportunity that comes with the infrastructure than wait to complain
> that
> >> the infrastructure itself is not in itself giving business opportunity.
> >>
> >> Well Walu, am already doing research on something related.
> >>
> >>
> >> Sam Aguyo
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
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> >>
> >> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> >
> >> *Sent:* Tue, July 6, 2010 5:15:39 PM
> >>
> >> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kenya IGF 2010 Mailing List Discussions Day 2
> of
> >> 8 Theme : Infrastructure Issues - Impact of the Fibre Optic Cable IGF
> >> Mailing List Discussions
> >>
> >> One of the views in regards to the undersea cables, is realistically
> >> speaking, the current situation. As Walu pointed out, all users of
> >> .com have been affectedby the effects of Seacom's state of affairs.
> >>
> >> This is perhaps one of the many reasons as to why the Undersea Cables
> >> were a 'mess' from the word go. It beats logic why the breakdown or
> >> whatever has not been restored to its full capacity, as we speak.
> >> Could there be sabotage?
> >>
> >> Back to your query: The socio-economioc impact of the cables.
> >> 1. They are anticipated to open more job opportunities (BPO, E-stuff)
> >> 2. They would generally improve the economic and security of countries
> >> thus enhancing interdepence and social closeness.
> >> 3. The most notable impact, in my view, was the momentus speed that
> >> would usher quick businesses thus economic growth.
> >>
> >> The youth would have benefitted greatly considering that they
> >> constitute to the majority of workforce. In such a view, growth in
> >> countries where the cables pass would be great, maybe +10% p.a.
> >> The value addition, as of now, remains to be seen!
> >>
> >> On 06/07/2010, Walubengo J <FastMail.FM WARNING: URL text and host
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> >> > Barrack,
> >> >
> >> > internet traffic is truly messed up down here. Considering that our
> >> domestic
> >> > networks+local content are relatively non-existent we are heavy
> >> > consumers
> >> > international traffic - even my email, yours and many others are .com
> >> > and
> >> so
> >> > they will try to head out of the country through constrained links
> given
> >> > that Seacom has gone down with probably 50%? of our international
> >> > capacity...
> >> >
> >> > it only emphasis the sorry state of affairs that despite the pomp
> >> > surrounding the advent of the undersea cable, there is yet to be that
> >> > socio-economic revolution that was expected. Maybe there is but I have
> >> not
> >> > yet heard about BPO jobs flooding our market, eLearning taking off,
> >> > eCommerce and the rest of the goodies happening because we now have
> the
> >> > superhighway down at the coast...indeed someone can do a good PhD
> thesis
> >> on
> >> > why this is so and inform us exactly when the IT miracle will happen
> >> > (the
> >> > Indian style).
> >> >
> >> > walu.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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> >> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya IGF 2010 Mailing List Discussions Day 2
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> >> > Date: Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 2:42 PM
> >> >
> >> > Listers , there is very loud silence with regard to Infrastructure
> >> > issues
> >> i
> >> > suppose we have adopted a wait and see approach, i can hear murmus
> >> > across
> >> > various lists within the country as well as regionally that seacom is
> >> down
> >> >
> >>
> http://www.seacomblog.com/team-seacom/2010/07/seacom-service-down-seacom-actively-seeking-solutions
> >> ,
> >> > probably we are getting used to this scenario, however is this right?
> >> >
> >> >
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> >> >
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Dear Listers,
> >> >
> >> > Apologies for starting the thread late and thanks
> >> > to all those who responded actively on the first day, the thread is
> >> > still open. Today we look at Infrastructure issues, a quick glance
> >> > through last years report brings to mind the Pomp that greeted the
> >> > TEAMS and SEACOM initiative, one year down the line, it would only be
> >> > good to review the milestones we have made this far, going through an
> >> > earlier discussion on this list, i noted an interesting article posted
> >> > by listers that mentioned the fact that the undersea cable has led to
> a
> >> > boom in Spam coming from the this region, the study was conducted by
> >> > Symantec, i know this is just a tip of the ICEBERG and would like to
> >> > look at the issue from a Social perspective as well as an economic
> >> > perspective, are there real (tangible benefits) that the cables have
> >> > brought or is it euphoria, do we have indicators that show how the
> >> > country has benefited?, what do the various consituencies have to say?
> >> > Consumer advocates, Youth Representatives, the Private Sector?..the
> >> > discussion is open
> >> >
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