[kictanet] Kenya IGF 2010 Mailing List Discussions Day 2 of 8 Theme : Infrastructure Issues - Impact of the Fibre Optic Cable IGF Mailing List Discussions
waudo siganga
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Wed Jul 7 17:06:29 EAT 2010
Dear Barrack - thanks for your good work moderating the
discussion despite your busy schedule in Geneva. I just want to
comment on the issue of Cloud Computing that you and Okech have
raised - I think this issue requires some thorough analysis
given that it is this year's "Emerging Issue" in Lithuania and
indeed the Government of Kenya and the private sector will
collaborate on a workshop on the same. I suggest that somehow you
squeeze it into its own day of discussion. Specifically it would
be useful to establish how Cloud Computing is likely to impact
the processes, customs, policies, laws, and institutions
affecting the way the Internet is directed, administered and
controlled. It would also be useful to explore the possible
changes and/or impacts on the relationships among the many
stakeholders of IG that you mentioned earlier. Another question
is: how does cloud computing impact the goals for which the
Internet is governed - including the IG4D perspective?
Kind Regards,
Waudo
On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 15:19 +0200, "Barrack Otieno"
<otieno.barrack at gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks Okech, i suppose there were some crossed wires
somewhere, on the Contrary i was wondering whether Cloud
Computing would render the investments we have made in
Infrastructure Obsolete and whether we are prepared for this
eventuality, your comments are noted though.
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Okech <[1]okechjr at yahoo.com>
wrote:
Listers,
I have been going through the thread and have some few comments
that I would like to make and here it goes.....
Judy, we may not really need to be patient but we may need to
study the progress and asses if it is indeed doing the right
pace. How do we do that then? I’m not sure exactly, but if there
was some visionary documentation on the intended progress with
the coming of fibre cables then that would do. Nonetheless the
intention was to boost our economy by creating more jobs and
opening up our country for trade and other investment.
I will agree with Sam Guyo that we need to stop complaining but
consider the bags of goodies that the cables promise us. However,
how will we why we can‘t catch with the rest of the world or
simply why we are not ahead yet we have all the three cable links
with us? Solomon opines the loss we experience due to the
breakdown of SEACOM cable. If we keep quiet how will it be know?
In fact, he goes ahead to wonder if the delay could be a result
of some sabotage. Well, Solomon, I believe it isn’t sabotage.
Even china had such an experience that made them lose billions
yet they are such higher in technology than we are. Basically,
locating faults in fibre optics and more so undersea fibres is
really difficult. But am certain they will sort it somehow.
I have also read from the list that there are hidden benefits of
undersea connectivity. The tenets that have convinced several
providers to indicate an intention of or move their hqs to Kenya
is a well laid pointer that we are heading the right direction.
However, are simply in the rush just because the networks exist
(well put by Victor “…as the 'silver bullet' that would slay the
problems facing the ICT industry”)? Or are they getting some
convincing information somewhere we do not know? I am informed
that Sam has some insight please share as this will make us have
some informed arguments.
Lastly, barrack inquired if the infrastructure would make cloud
computing obsolete. I’m sure not. My understanding of cloud
computing is that it rides on a well laid infrastructure. And
that means tha our infrastructure will indeed enhance it. We will
no longer need to keep very e expensive server rooms! However,
what I really decry for……where are the providers of cloud
computing operating from? Do we have some locally centred? If
not….how do we benefit?
Regards,
Okech JM
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From: Barrack Otieno <[4]otieno.barrack at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya IGF 2010 Mailing List Discussions
Day 2 of 8 Theme : Infrastructure Issues - Impact of the Fibre
Optic Cable IGF Mailing List Discussions
To: [5]okechjr at yahoo.com
Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions"
<[6]kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Date: Wednesday, July 7, 2010, 5:35 AM
Dear Judy,
There are risks and costs to every program of action, something
had to be done, and as someone once said patience pays, the
feasibility study mentality has costed us more than the
initiatives that have been conducted so far.
Kind Regards
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Judy Okite <FastMail.FM WARNING:
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we all seem to be on the same page....yes, we(consumers) are
not pleased or have not yet felt the impact of the fibre
cables....
so yes, despite the risen demand of the internet, the costs are
still very high...we have been saying that for awhile to empty
promises of they will come down 'soon'
can we say that what is going on is, teething problems? and we
need to be patient? ..
in the mean time, who is paying for the 'patience' ?
Kind Regards,
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Barrack Otieno <FastMail.FM
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Well put Solomon, if i got Sams post correctly, some research in
underway, i hope he doesnt mind sharing some snipets on this
list, there seems to be silent consensus that we are on the right
track any differing views :-)
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Solomon Mburu Kamau <FastMail.FM
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And there is the element of demand vs supply. While in
essence, there
was no task force et al that was pre-commissioned to look into
the
need of essentiality of the fibre cables, (I stand to be
corrected on
this), the govt of Kenya thought it wise to have the cables
landed,
anyway.
The consumers, on their part, had a number of views on the
effects
(both -ve and +ve) of the cables, realistically, changing
their
thoughts at the end of having them landing.
Nevertheless, we can't throw the fibre cables out of the
window
because of this 'blunder'. A lot of opportunities now exist
based on
the factual results being felt.
It is imperative to ask ourselves, just as it has been pointed
out,
why had Zain, to be known as Airtel, to have the African
headquarters
in Nairobi, yet there are other 14 nations in Africa where
Zain
International operates? This remember, despite the political
hue and
cue!
Maybe we shouldn't be impatient, and after some years, we can
point
fingers out.
I'm still believing that there was/is a need to have a
time-line for
assessing the impact of these infrastructure.
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> Thank you Charles and Sam for your observation and positive
outlook. I agree
> with Sam, having a highway without vehicles to ply on is a
mirage
> nonetheless Charles is right in pointing out the very fact with
the few
> vehicles on the highway the future looks bright. That
nothwithstanding and
> considering the fact that 70 percent of our economy is composed
of the
> informal sector we need a sustained campaign that will ensure
this segment
> is brought onto the Super highway.
>
> On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 6:26 AM, Sam Aguyo <FastMail.FM WARNING:
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>
>> Dear Listeners,
>>
>> I think we need to be more inward looking, the golden murmur
should have
>> been Seacom is down so our BPOs are suffering huge losses.
Indeed we have
>> the superhighway but apparently not vehicles to run on it.
When the Anti
>> Terrorist Police Unit first released its rapid communication
channels i
>> had
>> worries since it was a [7]yahoo.com address, am glad they
quickly changed and
>> now it is [8]go.ke, a good development. We now have 3 cables
if am not
>> mistaken but if there are no Buses not even matatus to ply on
them, then
>> they are a mirage.
>>
>> Considerable impact will be felt when we stop, think, ponder
and seize the
>> opportunity that comes with the infrastructure than wait to
complain that
>> the infrastructure itself is not in itself giving business
opportunity.
>>
>> Well Walu, am already doing research on something related.
>>
>>
>> Sam Aguyo
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
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>> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
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>> *Sent:* Tue, July 6, 2010 5:15:39 PM
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kenya IGF 2010 Mailing List
Discussions Day 2 of
>> 8 Theme : Infrastructure Issues - Impact of the Fibre Optic
Cable IGF
>> Mailing List Discussions
>>
>> One of the views in regards to the undersea cables, is
realistically
>> speaking, the current situation. As Walu pointed out, all
users of
>> .com have been affectedby the effects of Seacom's state of
affairs.
>>
>> This is perhaps one of the many reasons as to why the Undersea
Cables
>> were a 'mess' from the word go. It beats logic why the
breakdown or
>> whatever has not been restored to its full capacity, as we
speak.
>> Could there be sabotage?
>>
>> Back to your query: The socio-economioc impact of the cables.
>> 1. They are anticipated to open more job opportunities (BPO,
E-stuff)
>> 2. They would generally improve the economic and security of
countries
>> thus enhancing interdepence and social closeness.
>> 3. The most notable impact, in my view, was the momentus speed
that
>> would usher quick businesses thus economic growth.
>>
>> The youth would have benefitted greatly considering that they
>> constitute to the majority of workforce. In such a view,
growth in
>> countries where the cables pass would be great, maybe +10%
p.a.
>> The value addition, as of now, remains to be seen!
>>
>> On 06/07/2010, Walubengo J <FastMail.FM WARNING: URL text and
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>> > Barrack,
>> >
>> > internet traffic is truly messed up down here. Considering
that our
>> domestic
>> > networks+local content are relatively non-existent we are
heavy
>> > consumers
>> > international traffic - even my email, yours and many others
are .com
>> > and
>> so
>> > they will try to head out of the country through constrained
links given
>> > that Seacom has gone down with probably 50%? of our
international
>> > capacity...
>> >
>> > it only emphasis the sorry state of affairs that despite the
pomp
>> > surrounding the advent of the undersea cable, there is yet
to be that
>> > socio-economic revolution that was expected. Maybe there is
but I have
>> not
>> > yet heard about BPO jobs flooding our market, eLearning
taking off,
>> > eCommerce and the rest of the goodies happening because we
now have the
>> > superhighway down at the coast...indeed someone can do a
good PhD thesis
>> on
>> > why this is so and inform us exactly when the IT miracle
will happen
>> > (the
>> > Indian style).
>> >
>> > walu.
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> > From: Barrack Otieno <FastMail.FM WARNING: URL text and host
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>> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya IGF 2010 Mailing List
Discussions Day 2 of
>> 8
>> > Theme : Infrastructure Issues - Impact of the Fibre Optic
Cable IGF
>> Mailing
>> > List Discussions
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>> > Date: Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 2:42 PM
>> >
>> > Listers , there is very loud silence with regard to
Infrastructure
>> > issues
>> i
>> > suppose we have adopted a wait and see approach, i can hear
murmus
>> > across
>> > various lists within the country as well as regionally that
seacom is
>> down
>> >
>>
[11]http://www.seacomblog.com/team-seacom/2010/07/seacom-service-
down-seacom-actively-seeking-solutions
>> ,
>> > probably we are getting used to this scenario, however is
this right?
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Barrack Otieno <FastMail.FM
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>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > Dear Listers,
>> >
>> > Apologies for starting the thread late and thanks
>> > to all those who responded actively on the first day, the
thread is
>> > still open. Today we look at Infrastructure issues, a quick
glance
>> > through last years report brings to mind the Pomp that
greeted the
>> > TEAMS and SEACOM initiative, one year down the line, it
would only be
>> > good to review the milestones we have made this far, going
through an
>> > earlier discussion on this list, i noted an interesting
article posted
>> > by listers that mentioned the fact that the undersea cable
has led to a
>> > boom in Spam coming from the this region, the study was
conducted by
>> > Symantec, i know this is just a tip of the ICEBERG and would
like to
>> > look at the issue from a Social perspective as well as an
economic
>> > perspective, are there real (tangible benefits) that the
cables have
>> > brought or is it euphoria, do we have indicators that show
how the
>> > country has benefited?, what do the various consituencies
have to say?
>> > Consumer advocates, Youth Representatives, the Private
Sector?..the
>> > discussion is open
>> >
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>> >
>> >
>> >
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