[kictanet] ICDL - I apologise(RESTRICTED ACCESS)

Wed Aug 18 18:30:01 EAT 2010

Harry,

Its a simple case of people wanting to reap without sowing, which is why you 
have a government.

We all know the benefits of wearing seat belts but do you think the directive 
would have been implemented if it was not for the government pushing it through. 

A sudden and total shut down of all perpetrators is the only way that we can 
provide solid grounding on technology use, its only now that I appreciate the 
standards based training I took on Apple Works 2.0.  The good grounding has seen 
be transition to today able to utilise over 20% of all the productivity tools.

The mediocre training taking place is a cancer that will stagnate the entire 
region, it needs radical intervention, now.

Regards

Dr. Ndemo does not need to keep justifying he position let him use the rod or 
risk spoiling the child further.
 Robert Yawe
KAY System Technologies Ltd
Phoenix House, 6th Floor
P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
Kenya

Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696

________________________________
From: Harry Hare <harry at africanedevelopment.org>
To: Bobby Yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Sent: Fri, 6 August, 2010 7:41:45
Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICDL - I apologise(RESTRICTED ACCESS)

Good people,

Reading Walu’s email, seems like you are both proposing a solution to the 
“wrong” problem. Money is not the issue, the issue is “resistance to change”. So 
I think we should solve that problem before creating another one. If there is 
resistance it means there is no “buy-in”. If there is no “buy-in” it means the 
group that is resisting are not fully aware of the potential and the benefits 
that the proposed project has. I would propose a non-techy approach to 
communicate the benefits of the project to the old chaps, you need to address 
their fears and concerns – show the business value, continuity and the wins - 
otherwise they will through a spanner in the works even if you got money to 
implement...and that’s from experience.

And congratulations to all Kenyans for ushering Kenya 2.0

Cheers
Harry

On 8/5/10 1:11 PM, "Bobby Yawe" <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Hi Walu,
>
>It is good to know that there is a push to resolve this issue.
>
>My proposal would be to have the software developed by a private entity which 
>would then do a revenue share with KASNEB whose main resistance is based on a 
>fear of loosing their traditional income streams which is examination fees.
>
>Lets look at raising angle funds for anyone who can come up with an online 
>testing software that can equal or even rival the likes of smartforce, ICT-Board 
>does not have the capacity to handle such an undertaking as they are more of a 
>procurement agency.
>
>Dr. Ndemo, we seriously need to enforce legislation otherwise all we shall keep 
>loosing our edge as an outsourcing destination.  Maybe having the issue of ICT 
>proficiency should be spearheaded by the Ministry of Youth who I believe are now 
>responsible for the village polytechnics.  As higher education has dropped the 
>ball on this one.
>
>Regards
>
> 
> 
>Robert Yawe
>KAY System Technologies Ltd
>Phoenix House, 6th Floor
>P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
>Kenya
>
>Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
>
>
>
________________________________
From:Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com>
>To: bitange at jambo.co.ke; Paul Kukubo <pkukubo at ict.go.ke>; robert yawe 
><robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
>Sent: Sat, 31 July, 2010 9:50:08
>Subject: Fw:  ICDL - I apologise(RESTRICTED ACCESS)
>
>Ndemo, Paul, Yawe
>
>I do sit on a sub-committee of the KASNEB board and for the last 9mths we were 
>tasked to create (replicate) a local version of ICDL.  This sub-committee 
>completed its task by way of reviewing the ICDL course outlines with a view to 
>including kenyan contexts. Further the sub-committee recommended the creation 
>(software development) of an electronic testing platform (again along the lines 
>of ICDL) where the exam is booked, administered and marked electronically. Such 
>a software would cost money, software engineering skills and time.
>
>But that is NOT the problem since I believe the "skunk-works"  can do this type 
>of software if given the money and the time.  The biggest challenge has been 
>what I would call (soft-resistance) from the KASNEB full-board in going forward 
>with this project. Whereas the CEO (relatively ICT savvy) wants to go full blast 
>with the project, the (older) members of the Board correctly realise that such 
>an electronic examination system would totally disrupt their existing manual 
>examining model that they have been accustomed to over the last 40yrs that 
>KASNEB has existed...(hence the resistance to change)
>
>And so here comes my proposal...get funding from Kenya ICT Board, get software 
>engineers from skunkworks to do the electronic examination system, and get 
>KASNEB to "adopt" this e-system to administer their local "ICDL" type of 
>examinations...this way we knock down the resistance to change barrier from the 
>older KASNEB board members - who may actually embrace the system once they see a 
>workable model....
>
>Furthermore, the electronic examination system would pay for itself within a 
>year from the money thousands of potential students would pay to sit the exam 
>(IAT has 3,000 ICDL candidates per year, MMU has about 400, not counting 
>Computer pride and others, you have a potential market of 5,000 candidates to 
>sit this local exam at even half the price ICDL (ksh3,500) is asking for...
>
>any takers?
>walu.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>--- On Fri, 7/30/10, bitange at jambo.co.ke <bitange at jambo.co.ke> wrote:
>
>
>>From: bitange at jambo.co.ke <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
>>Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICDL - I apologise
>>To: jwalu at yahoo.com
>>Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>Date: Friday, July 30, 2010, 3:03 PM
>>
>>Robert,
>>We are still fighting the resistance from the colleges.  There must be
>>some examining body to ensure that the sylabbus is covered and the student
>>can make good use of the training.  Unfortunately, in this country we want
>>to make money at the expense of our unsuspecting sisters and brothers.
>>
>>
>>Regards
>>
>>
>>Ndemo.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I would like to apologise to Dr. Ndemo for giving the impression that his
>>> team
>>> had not done their homework when they recommended that ICDL be the
>>> official
>>> computer proficiency certification.
>>>
>>> As is said it is only after you have walked in a man's shoes can you then
>>> criticise him, I recently looked at a training manual from one of the
>>> local
>>> computer colleges that was 10 pages long and covered word, excel,
>>> powerpoint,
>>> access, frontpage and IE. The exam for each subject was done after 1 day
>>> of
>>> training, in the case of word it included mailmerge.
>>>
>>> Each application was covered on less than 2 pages and the entire course
>>> takes 10
>>> days, Dr. Ndemo the sooner you can operationalise the ICDL issue the
>>> sooner
>>> students will stop loosing money to quacks and we shall return to the
>>> point of
>>> making computer users truly IT proficient.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>  Robert Yawe
>>> KAY System Technologies Ltd
>>> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
>>> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
>>> Kenya
>>>
>>>
>>> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
>>>
>>>
>>>
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