[kictanet] Red Card for the Sheikhs

Tue Apr 27 12:55:30 EAT 2010

Hi,
You could be right Waianaina....but remember this issue that I believe we all do not subscribe to is thriving in this current constitution. I have not indicated that I'm willing to support abortion but I will not sit down and watch mistakes done one after another the next day they will wal k with my head and some people continue saying they need abotion entrenched. Will you support it? I guess not. According to me (I believe in modularity) I better separate and concentrate on issues case by case to complete. It will give me the strength to soldier on and agiotate for more goodies. I will definitely address the abortion issue but mixing them makes life difficult and may allow two wrongs to get life!

Regards,    Okech JMMy blog

--- On Tue, 4/27/10, Wainaina Mungai <wainaina at madeinkenya.org> wrote:

From: Wainaina Mungai <wainaina at madeinkenya.org>
Subject: Re: Red Card for the Sheikhs
To: okechjr at yahoo.com, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 1:55 AM

Just one more:

1. The replacement of the "current constitution" with the "draft
constitution" does not solve the problem.
....let us entrench principles that are universal and do not favour
one religion or tribe or gender etc.

2. Then ofcourse we have the abortion issue raised separately.

WM

On 4/27/10, Okech <okechjr at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Emmanuel,
> You win my support here! We are not yet under the new
> constitution and that is why we are complaining. The constitution we want to
> oust supports this barbaric
> act of dictatorship and religious censorship if what I heard is something to
> go by. It may not be a bad idea but if it does deny citizens the right to
> information then something is definitely wrong. We are sick of such a
> tendency and thus we must join hands to kick this old constitution.
>
> Regards,    Okech JMMy blog
>
> --- On Mon, 4/26/10, emmanuel.khisa at kadet.co.ke <emmanuel.khisa at kadet.co.ke>
> wrote:
>
> From: emmanuel.khisa at kadet.co.ke <emmanuel.khisa at kadet.co.ke>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Red Card for the Sheikhs
> To: okechjr at yahoo.com
> Cc: "'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 9:48 PM
>
> Did I miss some news?
>
> I thought what I happened in North Eastern (Mandera) to be specific was a
> decree that even the Kenyan chief's proclaim from time to time in
> "Christian" Kenya. When this happens it affects both Christian and Muslim
> youth alike.
>
> I am bound to be corrected but this is happening not under the new
> Constitution but the current one and so my question is what has it got to do
> with the new constitution? What has it got to do with the Kadhi's courts or
> any of those parts being contested?
>
> I really think that as reasonable and kind Christ followers, we must ask
> ourselves, what's Christ do?
>
> Regards,
>
> Emmanuel
> PS: The views expressed here are my own..
>
>
>>  -------Original Message-------
>>  From: Harry Delano <harry at comtelsys.co.ke>
>>  To: emmanuel.khisa at kadet.co.ke
>>  Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>  Subject: Re: [kictanet] Red Card for the Sheikhs
>>  Sent: Apr 26 '10 22:26
>>
>>  You mean, there is something called Sharia law, in this  country...???
>>
>>  Last time I checked, it's the kind of law applied and dictated  by
>>  fundamentalists
>>  upon hapless citizenry, with no regard  whatsoever for the very basic of
>>  basic
>>  human rights..
>>
>>  So, who is fooling who..?  Next thing, internet will be  outlawed in that
>>  section
>>  of the nation. Who knows where next. And this is at a time we  working to
>>  open up space and bridge the national divide. Time to smell  coffee...
>>
>>  Harry
>>
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>>  BEHALF OF S.Murigi Muraya
>>  SENT: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 1:09  AM
>>  TO: harry at comtelsys.co.ke
>>  CC: KICTAnet ICT Policy  Discussions
>>  SUBJECT: Re: [kictanet] Red Card for the  Sheikhs
>>
>>
>>  Please note Article 24 Subsection 4 of our soon to be new  constitution
>>  limits how the Bill of Rights may apply to the one religion the  Kenyan
>>  state is funding with the approval of Kenyans who vote YES!
>>
>>  Of  course the Kenyan media is too busy slandering Churches to point this
>>  out.
>>
>>
>>  On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:52 AM, Wainaina Mungai <[LINK:
>>  mailto:wainaina at madeinkenya.org] wainaina at madeinkenya.org>  wrote:
>>  The recent move by Muslim Sheikhs to enforce Sharia Law,   outlaw DSTV,
>>  video dens & related activities in Mandera could not have   come at a
>>  more unfortunate time. The support they have received from   SUPREM
>>  (Supreme Council of Kenya Muslims) further complicates the debate   on
>>  the "continued" inclusion of Kadhi Courts in our   Constitution.
>>
>>  Now that the SUPKEM has proved to support such apparent   'treason' in
>>  my secular nation,  President Kibaki and Prime Minister   Odinga must
>>  also commit to ensuring that religion and religious courts are   omitted
>>  from the new constitution. That is the pact they must sign with the   NO
>>  campaign if a YES vote is to sail through without question.   No
>>  religion, especially fundamentalist Islam, should enjoy the   privileges
>>  of my hard-earned taxes to propagate religious activities that   may
>>  disintegrate into such treasonable actions as by the Sheikhs.
>>
>>  My   vote would easily change to a resounding "NO" unless I am assured
>>  by the   Constitution that no Sheikh or Buddist monk, Hindu priest or
>>  Christian   cleric will get away with the absurd audacity of attempting
>>  to determine   where I watch my Supersport matches, what I drink as I do
>>  so; where and   what I can smoke or drink in an independent secular
>>  KENYA.
>>
>>  No   religion should 'get it twisted' on its place in secular Kenya and
>>  no   loopholes should allow Sheikhs or SUPKEM to get away with such
>>  treasonable   actions.
>>
>>  Regards,
>>  Wainaina
>>
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