[kictanet] RATIONALE OF ICT ASSOCIATIONS MERGER

Kamotho Njenga kamothonjenga at gmail.com
Thu Apr 15 15:48:53 EAT 2010 

Listers,

The call by Listers towards the direction of an umbrella body is right and
reasonable. As noted by Vitalis the drive towards this aspiration bound to
be elusive but its worth the indulgence.

During one of my contributions last week, I adverted to an observable trend
among Kenyan ICT folk - "a peculiar propensity to form splinter
Associations". Its therefore no coincidence that another Association is now
in the offing as evidenced by the invitation in circulation. This also goes
to confirm that I possess some "unique" ability to foretell for the ICT
sector. In other words, the foregoing circumstances are sufficient
to qualify me as a competent and reliable prophet. And if that holds, I will
proceed to make some further "prophecies" in view of the subject in
discussion:

1. Every honest member of the ICT fraternity concedes the fact that the
existing outlook of our profession is not admirable. The industry appears to
move faster than the profession yet the profession is supposed to drive and
guide the industry.

2. There is no common reference point for the industry. Any lay person
seeking help from the Kenyan ICT world would be lost in the forest of
Associations that purport to represent "cross sections of ICT interests". As
things stand today none of the Associations is publicly perceived to have
any compelling credibility. As a fact, if any person or the
government decided to give audience to all of them then it would simply be
forced to attend to nothing else.

3. A respectable umbrella body for the ICT profession is due now more than
ever. As far as I am aware, ICT is the only profession that seems
cormfortable to be housed by KEPSA. If other professions like accountancy,
lawyers, medics, matatu crew etc have formidable institutional arrangements
why not a noble profession like ICT?

4. For the dream of a united ICT roadmap to be realized, there must be
sacrifices. Vested interests will be put into jeopardy. Those of us with
controlling interests within existing Associations will feel the threat. Its
no secret that these Associations are exclusive clubs.. But through
consultative crafting, all the interests can be safeguarded within an
improved outfit. Truly it would be better to be an ordinary member of the
lions kingdom than to be a king among the rats.

5. Though ICT has multiple components they are part of a single system, they
are dependent and interrelated. Therefore the justification for us to keep
disecting the various ICT sub-domains into Associations can easily be
ridiculed.

6. Since the current state of a weak institutional set up flies in the face
of multiple associations, ALL the existing associations have very little to
show or to justify their existence. They are visibly moribund. They will be
better off if they voluntarily dissolve and proceed to chart the course for
a praiseworthy vehicle which all eligible members will not hesitate to
identify with.

It is highly in order at this time that the convener of the town hall
meeting begins to solicit for an amicable date for the same.


Kamotho Njenga


On 4/14/10, Vitalis Olunga <volunga at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>  I tend to support and fully agree with those suggesting having in place a
> body empowered to provide "strategic leadership and governance of ICT" to
> the nation. A body that oversees the strategic ICT activities (e.g. strategy
> formulation and implementation of ICT activities).  An ICT governance
> framework should therefore be developed, and structures follow. Also
> the required capabilities/competencies developed, for innovation and
> sustainable development.  It is high time to go back on the drawing board,
> and move away from focusing on a few areas such as,  marketting, BPOs, etc,
>  as the main things. We need an "umbrella'  body, with resources capable
> of developing, evaluating,  formulating and implementing decisions on ICT
> development.
>
> I tend to disagree with those suggesting the "merging of the many private
> assocaitions", as this approach "will not work no matter what".  Many new
> associations will keep on emerging with diverse interests, diverse
> activities or diverse activism, this beeing a dynamic industry. What is
> required is a body with competencies and capability to give direction,
> and provide strategic leadership and governance to the ICT sector, and to
> link these strategic activities to strategies of other sectors in the
> economy. This  "umbrella strategic" body may be ellusive at the moment, but
> it is necessary to move towards this direction, so that the many fragmented
> organizations can have some sort of cohesiveness in their national, regional
> and international activities. The goverment organizations  with duplicated
> and conflicting mandates can be reviewed and streamlined.  There are
> some  interesting contributions and suggestions (e.g. Lilian; Matunda) that
> could be useful as a foundation in formulation of a framework for this kind
> of "umbrella" organization for  this sector.
>
>
> Regards
>
> Vitalis
>
>
>
>
>
>  On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Sam Aguyo <saguyo at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>   Thanks Charles for your feedback, however if you go back to the
>> previous discussions as well as the title of the subject, members discussed
>> ways and means of merging the varied associations which in my opinion is not
>> feasible.  I think this thread came from Charles,
>>
>> >>I ment that ...... was the first ....... of the *merged factions* of
>>
>>   which he made christianity compulsory more like the KANU of the
>>
>> 90s  i.e. BABA NA MAMA. .........was more like george okado the
>> founding chairman of computer society......
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Sam
>>
>>
>>  ------------------------------
>> *From:* waudo siganga <emailsignet at mailcan.com>
>> *To:* saguyo at yahoo.com
>>
>> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>
>> *Sent:* Wed, April 14, 2010 11:51:46 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] RATIONALE OF ICT ASSOCIATIONS MERGER
>>
>> Charles - I agree with Evans completely. The title of your mail refers
>> to "Associations Merger" while in the substance of the mail you talk of
>> "Federation". In a federation individual associations maintain their
>> identity while in a merger they are swallowed up by one behemothic
>> entity. A federation is practical where, as Charles indicates,
>> over-arching and cross-cutting issues need to be addressed. There is
>> also a practical aspect when engaging government. Otherwise specialist
>> associations keep coming up according to need and technology changes and
>> someone trying to stop or curtail them would be doing a dis-service.
>> Just the other day on this list I was reading of a new association for
>> those interested in software testing. That's OK. It will move the
>> country ahead.
>>
>> A Federation should be a "thin" entity rather than a full-blown
>> association to avoid competing or duplicating what the sub-associatons
>> are doing. It can even operate with just one member of staff as it is
>> just a "special service vehicle". For it to be widely accepted  it is
>> important for it to be developed BOTTOM-UP with the full participation
>> of the underlying associations. A federation that is set up and then
>> imposed can never work.
>>
>> Just to repeat that in our case of a couple of years ago we agreed to
>> implement federation for INDUSTRY associations through the KEPSA ICT
>> Board and so far that is working very very well.
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>> Waudo
>>
>> On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 03:00 -0500, ikua at lpakenya.org wrote:
>> > Charles,
>> > That is very true. For instance, all the bodies that fall under KEPSA
>> > still maintain their identity. So, having one main ICT federation does
>> > not mean that we for instance will cease existing as LPA and pursuing
>> > our own agenda. But we have a sumit body through which we can easily
>> > get heard.
>> >
>> > Its like the surveyors who share one body with Architects and Quantity
>> > Surveyors etc. They are chapters within the main body but they still
>> > have their own identity.
>> >
>> > Ikua
>> >
>> > Quoting charles nduati <charlesnduati2002 at yahoo.co.uk>:
>> >
>> > > Hi Sam,
>> > >
>> > > The rationale for federations is based on the fact that many issues
>> > > in sub sub sectors are CROSS CUTTING. e.g. all sectors in all
>> > > industries across the country  have a problem with power, security
>> > > etc. so its make no sense for government to give audience to 1000
>> > > industry representatives to hear the same exact thing. that s why
>> > > KEPSA was formed to distill the sector issues and give the
>> > > government ONE PAGE OF PRIORITY ISSUES.
>> > >
>> > > cheers all
>> > >
>> > > Charles Nduati
>> > >
>> > > On Fri, 09 Apr 2010 08:32 EEST Sam Aguyo wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Hello Colleagues,
>> > >>
>> > >> I wonder wether it would be possible to merge the various
>> > >> associations into one.  First we need to ask ourselves why they are
>> > >>  formed, who finances them and the mandate of each.
>> > >>
>> > >> ICT is dynamic - self destructing, the associations may follow the
>> > >> same principle.  A more feasible approach is to ensure they deliver
>> > >>  on there mandate.
>> > >>
>> > >> Sam
>> > >>
>> > >> hi Walu,
>> > >>
>> > >> I ment that constatine was the first pope of the merged factions of
>> > >>  which he made christianity compulsory more like the KANU of the
>> > >> 90s  i.e. BABA NA MAMA. st. peter was more like george okado the
>> > >> founding chairman of computer society
>> > >>
>> > >> Thanks shah for keeping the KIF spirit alive.
>> > >>
>> > >> charles
>> > >>
>> > >> On Thu, 08 Apr 2010 08:19 EEST Walubengo J wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>> Charles,
>> > >>>
>> > >>> At the risk of starting a religious debate, ...jst wanted to
>> > >>> clarify.  1st Pope was never Constantine but St. Peter...in the
>> > >>> 1st Century.  Constantine came on the scene 300years later....
>> > >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_I ...
>> > >>>
>> > >>> walu.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> --- On Thu, 4/8/10, charles nduati <charlesnduati2002 at yahoo.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>> From: charles nduati <charlesnduati2002 at yahoo.co.uk>
>> > >>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICT ASSOCIATIONS MERGER
>> > >>> To: jwalu at yahoo.com
>> > >>> Cc: kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>> > >>> Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 7:49 AM
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Hi listers,
>> > >>>
>> > >>> I have truly enjoyed this debate especially having been the first
>> > >>> founding executive director of KENYA ICT FEDERATION (KIF) With
>> > >>> other industry captains like mike eldon our founder chairman and
>> > >>> all chairmen of the then 12 existing ICT associations i.e. 2003.
>> > >>> our vision was exactly what this debate is about and we anchored
>> > >>> KIF under KEPSA. as Dr. siganga said,  there is no need of
>> > >>> recreating the wheel. just contact Dr. kevit desai the KIF
>> > >>> governor at KEPSA and ask him to adopt all ICT associations and
>> > >>> stakeholders in KEPSA through KIF.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> believe me folks, if the ROMAN KING CONSTANTINE hadn t merged all
>> > >>> christian sects and made himself the first POPE, christianity
>> > >>> would not have survived 2000  years and be so successful in its
>> > >>> mission
>> > >>>
>> > >>> good day all
>> > >>>
>> > >>> charles nduati
>> > >>>
>> > >>> On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 21:34 EEST Harry Delano wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>>> Al Kags,
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> That is why this town hall meeting may be important. Actually
>> > >>>> Harry (Hare),
>> > >>>> came up with a more brilliant
>> > >>>> idea that would require us to make this to be more of an
>> > >>>> evaluation process
>> > >>>> - that would create a "need" for
>> > >>>> either overhaul or improvement in structures and processes. This
>> could be
>> > >>>> enacted by Govt, either through
>> > >>>> legislation, or an executive decision.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Mr. Kukubo, also had a good suggestion that we cast the net wider,
>> to draw
>> > >>>> in as many stakeholers as
>> > >>>> we can. This, I suppose would be be a perfect chance for us, to
>> > >>>> tick each of
>> > >>>> these agencies off the list,
>> > >>>> enumerating their roles, mandate, and how this all should fit in
>> > >>>> the bigger
>> > >>>> picture across the national ICT
>> > >>>> Landscape. I suppose, we need to hold to account those tasked with
>> a
>> > >>>> mandate..
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> So I suppose, the question we should be asking ourselves, is where
>> do we
>> > >>>> first start - The town hall meeting..?
>> > >>>> And how do we cast this net wider for participation..?
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Harry
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>   _____
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>> > >>>> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry <kictanet-bounces%2Bharry>=
>> comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke] On
>> > >>>> Behalf Of Al Kags
>> > >>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 8:45 PM
>> > >>>> To: harry at comtelsys.co.ke
>> > >>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>> > >>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Gilda, you are right that all organisations need to meet their
>> obligations
>> > >>>> effectively. I wonder though whether some of them are not
>> duplicated?
>> > >>>> especially some that we have seen listed on this thread?
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 4:40 PM, <godera at skyweb.co.ke> wrote:
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Hi Harry,
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> I believe the various organisations are all playing their own
>> > >>>> unique roles.
>> > >>>> Key thing is for each to meet it's obligations effectively.
>> > >>>> Tim Waema's proposal on the discussion of various organisations and
>> their
>> > >>>> mandate is no doubt a good idea to get things cleared and for
>> industry to
>> > >>>> continue giving their input so that the organisations are well
>> designed.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Best,
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Gilda
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Quoting Harry Delano <harry at comtelsys.co.ke>:
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> S. Murigi,
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Hey is it an ipad you typing on....?? Anyways, just on a lighter
>> note...
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> So, what could be the best way forward? It seems, we just got a
>> whole
>> > >>>> myriad
>> > >>>>> of organizations out here, some of them I'm hearing for the 1st
>> time..
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Harry
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> > >>>>> From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>> > >>>>> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry <kictanet-bounces%2Bharry><mailto:
>> kictanet-bounces%2Bharry <kictanet-bounces%252Bharry>>
>> > >>>> =comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke] On
>> > >>>>> Behalf Of S.Murigi Muraya
>> > >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 3:25 PM
>> > >>>>> To: harry at comtelsys.co.ke
>> > >>>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>> > >>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> About 2 years ago went to the KICTB offices then at Waiyaki Way.
>> My
>> > >>>> purpose
>> > >>>>> then was to find out what they were about.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Was referred to a visibly irritated fellow who was done with me in
>> less
>> > >>>> than
>> > >>>>> 1 minute only telling me to check the KICTB website.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Have waited to see what they would come up with and am not too
>> > >>>> disappointed.
>> > >>>>> For one they organize, co sponsor or market industry events that
>> yuppies
>> > >>>> can
>> > >>>>> be involved in without falling asleep. Being sort of experienced
>> in the
>> > >>>>> professional tech skills development field this can
>> authoritatively say
>> > >>>> this
>> > >>>>> is one of the 'enabling situations' we have lacked locally.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> We need skills but companies are not willing to train unethical
>> techies
>> > >>>> who
>> > >>>>> jump ship immediately after being sharpened. On the other hand
>> > >>>>> techies are
>> > >>>>> unable to effectively educate themselves without corporate or tech
>> > >>>> community
>> > >>>>> support eg. www.ihub.co.ke
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Training centers are not too doing well financially & cannot
>> > >>>>> hire the best
>> > >>>>> (often more experienced) techies because corporates are not
>> training as
>> > >>>> much
>> > >>>>> as they should. By working with industry giants (eg Google,
>> Microsoft,
>> > >>>>> Oracle) & their partners the KICTB is somehow helping educate
>> techies via
>> > >>>>> these industry events.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> If anything, the KICTB needs to exist for this purpose -> to help
>> build
>> > >>>>> capacity in the local tech industry. They are exposing budding
>> software
>> > >>>>> entreprenuers to Indian outsourcing practices to name another
>> 'situation'
>> > >>>>> they are enabling. GITS, NCS etc do not do this as far as I know.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Nimechoka - typing on a mobile.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> SMM
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> > >>>>> From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack at gmail.com>
>> > >>>>> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 16:52
>> > >>>>> To: murigi.muraya at gmail.com
>> > >>>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <
>> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>> > >>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Dr. Siganga,
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Your write up makes  sense, i guess we have been mixing too many
>> issues,
>> > >>>> in
>> > >>>>> other words we handle government agencies and industry
>> associations
>> > >>>>> separately, sounds like the meeting is a welcome idea, i suggest
>> > >>>> government
>> > >>>>> agencies first.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Regards
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 3:03 PM, waudo siganga <
>> emailsignet at mailcan.com>
>> > >>>>> wrote:
>> > >>>>> > Hi Evans, all - we have discussed the issue of a statutory body
>> to
>> > >>>>> > regulate ICT professionalism on this list in the past and the
>> > >>>>> > discussion did not go far. Some said that we would be
>> interfering with
>> > >>>>> > "innovation". Some mentioned Bill Gates as a guy who has done
>> much but
>> > >>>>> > does not have any professional qualification. Yet others had
>> other
>> > >>>>> > stories (e.g. the three blind men story from Brian and his note
>> to
>> > >>>>> > Walu on 7/7/08:
>> > >>>>> >> I beg to differ. ICT is too large, too deep and too wide to
>> have a
>> > >>>>> >> single, authoritative, representative body. What you refer to
>> would
>> > >>>>> >> probably be more appropriate to some of the professional
>> disciplines
>> > >>>>> >> within the ICT sector e.g. Software Developers Guild, System
>> > >>>>> >> Administrators Association, CIO/CTO Society - within which
>> there can
>> > >>>>> >> be certain codes of behavior, ethics, values, best practices
>> etc...
>> > >>>>> >
>> > >>>>> > On 10/9/08 on this list I re-introduced the topic of a statutory
>> body
>> > >>>>> > such as LSK,ICPAK, ... to guide the ICT profession. In my mail I
>> even
>> > >>>>> > included a "draft ICT Professionals Act".  The idea received
>> cold
>> > >>>>> > water except from Kamotho.
>> > >>>>> >
>> > >>>>> > One distinction between "profession" and "Industry". In my mind
>> I see
>> > >>>>> > statutory bodies as more regulating "profession" rather than
>> > >>>>> "industry".
>> > >>>>> > Industry bodies are normally private sector initiatives formed
>> by
>> > >>>>> > interested persons to achieve common goals. I can be surprised
>> to hear
>> > >>>>> > the government being asked to help set up an "industry"
>> association of
>> > >>>>> > any type. Private sector associations engage the government, so
>> how
>> > >>>>> > can the same government be involved in their set up? The other
>> > >>>>> > axiomatic thing about associations is that the ones that do not
>> > >>>>> > deliver invariably die a natural death - and there are many
>> examples
>> > >>>>> > of this in Kenya even within ICT. It is not difficult to set up
>> a
>> > >>>>> > membership association (just like a Church or Club which are set
>> up
>> > >>>> under
>> > >>>>> the same "Societies Act").
>> > >>>>> > People cannot be stopped from setting up associations because
>> the
>> > >>>>> > Constitution guarantees freedom of association. This means those
>> who
>> > >>>>> > have any bright ideas that are not accommodated by existing
>> > >>>>> > associations cannot have an excuse or choose to take up the role
>> of
>> > >>>>> > professional hecklers of existing associations.
>> > >>>>> >
>> > >>>>> > Within ICT we agreed some years to accommodate multiple
>> associations
>> > >>>>> > which then converge under KEPSA umbrella to offer a unified
>> voice.
>> > >>>>> > This I think is working very well as recently exemplified at the
>> Prime
>> > >>>>> > Minister's Round Table where ICT issues were very well
>> articulated.
>> > >>>>> >
>> > >>>>> > With regard to Prof's suggestion to discuss government agencies
>> and
>> > >>>>> > private sector associations at the same meeting I think that
>> would
>> > >>>>> > create much confusion and even opportunities for red herrings to
>> be
>> > >>>>> > thrown around. It is mixing oranges and apples. The word
>> "association"
>> > >>>>> > is actually a short form. The exact terminology is "membership
>> > >>>>> > association". An association is made up of members who
>> voluntarily
>> > >>>>> > come together and run their interests. The members have their
>> own
>> > >>>>> > channels to discuss their issues. It does not take much
>> imagination to
>> > >>>>> > realize that someone who is NOT a "member" is unlikely to have
>> > >>>>> > overflowing goodwill towards (leave alone information about) the
>> > >>>>> > association. However, associations face a lot of challenges and
>> a
>> > >>>>> > specific get together of associations to discuss best practices
>> and
>> > >>>>> > ways of being sustainable and more effective would be welcome.
>> The
>> > >>>>> > Business Advocacy Fund is for example doing a great and positive
>> job
>> > >>>>> > in the direction of capacity building and funding. Well done to
>> them.
>> > >>>>> > Another useful type of meeting is the type you refer to that was
>> held
>> > >>>>> > at KICC a couple of years ago where associations can inform a
>> wider
>> > >>>>> > audience about their activities and roles and, perhaps, recruit
>> more
>> > >>>>> members. Overall, an associations'
>> > >>>>> > meeting should be a focused one and not be mixed up with one for
>> > >>>>> > government agencies; and guest list should be expanded from
>> Prof's
>> > >>>>> > limiting suggestion of "the plethora of ICT industry
>> associations that
>> > >>>>> > are not effective" to include those which are effective so that
>> others
>> > >>>>> > can learn from them as well.
>> > >>>>> >
>> > >>>>> > Waudo
>> > >>>>> > www.cskonline.org
>> > >>>>> >
>> > >>>>> >
>> > >>>>> > On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 02:38 -0500, ikua at lpakenya.org wrote:
>> > >>>>> >> Dear listers,
>> > >>>>> >> Did we not have a similar meeting not too long ago? I think it
>> was
>> > >>>>> >> about two years or so. Cant remember who had organized it but
>> it was
>> > >>>>> >> there at KICC. Same theme of taking stock of all ICT bodies.
>> Cant
>> > >>>>> >> remember if the Government agencies were represented.
>> > >>>>> >>
>> > >>>>> >> Not that I have a problem with yet another similar meeting, but
>> we
>> > >>>>> >> need to clearly set out what we want to achieve with that kind
>> of
>> > >>>>> >> gathering. Its common knowledge that the ICT industry is awash
>> with
>> > >>>>> >> all manner of associations/organizations and Government bodies.
>> Isn't
>> > >>>>> >> it time that we had the sort of organization that we see with
>> other
>> > >>>>> >> professions like Accountants and Lawyers etc? Isn't it time
>> that the
>> > >>>>> >> Government created a statutory industry association? This can
>> easily
>> > >>>>> >> be achieved by such legislation as the policy document
>> presented by
>> > >>>>> >> the PS the other day, or the Communications Act that was passed
>> not
>> > >>>>> >> too long ago.
>> > >>>>> >>
>> > >>>>> >> Inasmuch as the Government so believes in the increasing
>> importance
>> > >>>>> >> that ICT plays in the economy, then its imperative that we have
>> an
>> > >>>>> >> industry body that would take care of all others, say like a
>> CSK that
>> > >>>>> >> is recognized by an Act of parliament.
>> > >>>>> >>
>> > >>>>> >> Regards,
>> > >>>>> >> Ikua
>> > >>>>> >>
>> > >>>>> >> Quoting Mwololo Tim <timwololo at gmail.com>:
>> > >>>>> >>
>> > >>>>> >> > Dear all,
>> > >>>>> >> > The discussion needs to be on the institutional framework for
>> ICTs
>> > >>>>> >> > in Kenya, not just on KICTB. It needs to cover KICTB, NCS and
>> > >>>>> >> > DEG/GITS. It also needs to include the plethora of ICT
>> industry
>> > >>>>> associations that are not effective.
>> > >>>>> >> > I can organize such a townhall meeting in Chiromo like the
>> > >>>>> first one.
>> > >>>>> >> > However, for such a meeting to be useful, it needs to be
>> preceded
>> > >>>>> >> > by some guided discussion on the same. Alternatively, one or
>> two
>> > >>>>> >> > persons can prepare presenations to guide the discussions,
>> with
>> > >>>>> >> > these presentations being made available earlier for
>> participants
>> > >>>>> >> > to acquint with them. I am also prepared to be one of those
>> > >>>>> >> > persons. tim
>> > >>>>> >> >
>> > >>>>> >> > On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 9:10 PM, Barrack Otieno
>> > >>>>> >> > <otieno.barrack at gmail.com>wrote:
>> > >>>>> >> >
>> > >>>>> >> >> Daktari,
>> > >>>>> >> >>
>> > >>>>> >> >> Thank you for setting the ball rolling, not sure i saw the
>> > >>>>> >> >> document as well it must have been hijacked. A town hall
>> meeting
>> > >>>>> >> >> is a welcome idea i second it, Kippra felt sufficiently
>> > >>>>> >> >> philanthropic before the last town hall meeting i wonder
>> whether
>> > >>>>> >> >> they can double their offer during this easter season, bwn
>> Magolo
>> > >>>>> >> >> can we count on you. Walu can set the agenda.
>> > >>>>> >> >>
>> > >>>>> >> >> Regards
>> > >>>>> >> >>
>> > >>>>> >> >> On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Solomon Mburu Kamau
>> > >>>>> >> >> <solo.mburu at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>>>> >> >> > On 04/04/2010, bitange at jambo.co.ke <bitange at jambo.co.ke>
>> wrote:
>> > >>>>> >> >> >> Barrack,
>> > >>>>> >> >> >> Several posts have come by on the role of ICT and I think
>> it
>> > >>>>> >> >> >> will be
>> > >>>>> >> >> wise
>> > >>>>> >> >> >> if we sorted this in a town hall meeting similar to one
>> we had
>> > >>>>> >> >> >> on
>> > >>>>> >> >> Malili.
>> > >>>>> >> >> >> Honestly it feels as though some Neanderthal decided to
>> create
>> > >>>>> >> >> >> these agencies without putting some thought to it.
>> Criticisms
>> > >>>>> >> >> >> are good only when you point out where there are gaps.
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>
>> > >>>>> >> >> >> The other day I posted a policy proposal for comments but
>> only
>> > >>>>> >> >> >> one
>> > >>>>> >> >> person
>> > >>>>> >> >> >> did respond.  What it means then is that this forum ni ya
>> > >>>>> >> >> >> kuchongoana
>> > >>>>> >> >> tu.
>> > >>>>> >> >> >
>> > >>>>> >> >> > Dakitari, with due respect, would you mind resending the
>> policy
>> > >>>>> >> >> > proposals as a new thread so that interested parties may
>> respond?
>> > >>>>> >> >> > If sent within this thread, I'm afraid they'll be
>> swallowed
>> > >>>>> >> >> > along the
>> > >>>>> >> >> way.
>> > >>>>> >> >> >
>> > >>>>> >> >> >> Which really is unfortunate.  I have four other policy
>> > >>>>> >> >> >> proposals that I really think should push through then
>> arouse
>> > >>>>> >> >> >> sufficient interest from
>> > >>>>> >> >> the
>> > >>>>> >> >> >> membership here.
>> > >>>>> >> >> >
>> > >>>>> >> >> > I also think you should send them so that we react to the
>> > >>>> contents!
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>
>> > >>>>> >> >> >> Ndemo.
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>> This is truly "Jicho Pevu", i think some answers to this
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>> questions are very much in order as we celebrate Easter,
>> can
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>> someone provide us with a list of all agencies involved
>> in
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>> ICTs and ICT4D so that we can do some tooth comb
>> analysis, i
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>> saw a  post from Paul on what the board has achieved
>> early
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>> this year, that was very much in order we need something
>> from
>> > >>>> NCS
>> > >>>>> as well plus any other agencies.
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>>
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>> Regards
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>>
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>> On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Vitalis Olunga
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>> <volunga at yahoo.com>
>> > >>>>> >> >> wrote:
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>>> There is also another body , National Communications
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>>> Secretarait. What is the diffrence between NCS and ICT
>> Baord
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>>> and how do the two bodies
>> > >>>>> >> >> relate
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>>> with respect to  advisory services to the governement
>> on ICT
>> > >>>>> matters?
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>>>
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>>> Regards
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>>>
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>>>
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>>> Vitalis
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>>>
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>>> ________________________________
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>>> From: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>>> To: volunga at yahoo.com
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>>> Sent: Sat, April 3, 2010 12:03:22 PM
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>>>
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>>> Hi,
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>>> I rest my case on this issue, the ICT Board is a
>> monolith,
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>>> Try reading this... (pdf file), as I feared it is
>> mandated to
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>>> do anything and everything under the sun that could be
>> called
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>>> ICT which includes your microwave oven and copier.
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>>> Functions of Kenya ICT Board
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>>> The core functions of Kenya ICT Board as documented in
>> the
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>>> Kenya
>> > >>>>> >> >> Gazette
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>>> Legal Notice No 26 of the May 2007:
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>>> ?  To advice the government on all relevant matters
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>>> pertaining to development, coordination  (remember the
>> PM
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>>> post) and promotion of ICT industries in the country.
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>>> ?  Promote both locally and internationally the
>> opportunities
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>>> for investments in ICT technology ?  Facilitate and
>> manage
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>>> ICT industrial incubation parks and
>> > >>>>> >> >> technology
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>>> parks together with associated facilities on sites,
>> > >>>>> estates and
>> > >>>>> land.
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>>> ?  Partner with agents within and without the country
>> to
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>>> carry out
>> > >>>>> >> >> such
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>>> functions as it may consider necessary.
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>>> ?  To transform and empower society through deployment
>> and
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>>> use of
>> > >>>>> >> >> ICTs.
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>>> ?  Carry out any other activity to promote and develop
>> ICT
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>>> products
>> > >>>>> >> >> and
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>>> services.
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>>> Have a restful Easter as we await the limited range 4G,
>> yes
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>>> you
>> > >>>>> >> >> guessed
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>>> it I
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>>> still have a 3G issue and I am in Nairobi.
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>>> Regards
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>>>
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>>>
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>>>
>> > >>>>> >> >> >>>>
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