[kictanet] ICT ASSOCIATIONS MERGER

Thu Apr 8 09:06:53 EAT 2010

This would be highly welcome. It also shows that as much as we accuse  
the Government of having a disjointed approach to ICT, we in the  
private sector are not doing any better. Maybe its time to eat our own  
dog food.

Ikua

Quoting Harry Delano <harry at comtelsys.co.ke>:

>
> Hey Charles,
>
> This is quite a good initiative - however, it may also seem not so many
> people within this fraternity might be aware of the Federation. It would be
> good to sensitize and create an awareness regarding the role & objective of
> each specific organization we come up with. Looks to me this whole thing of
> "splinter" groups just bedevills almost every section of the society. Maybe
> so that we keep this whole debate focused and on course, let's have all the
> 'would-be' stakeholders, participating in such forums as "Kictanet", and the
> rest who are like-minded in their individual capacity - engage Govt, and
> other sectors, and deal..
>
> This should foster progress, so that we do not let enclaves cloud up this
> noble purpose..
>
> Harry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: charles nduati [mailto:charlesnduati2002 at yahoo.co.uk]
> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 6:49 AM
> To: harry at comtelsys.co.ke; bm at jkuates.jkuat.ac.ke
> Cc: kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICT ASSOCIATIONS MERGER
>
> Hi listers,
>
> I have truly enjoyed this debate especially having been the first founding
> executive director of KENYA ICT FEDERATION (KIF) With other industry
> captains like mike eldon our founder chairman and all chairmen of the then
> 12 existing ICT associations i.e. 2003. our vision was exactly what this
> debate is about and we anchored KIF under KEPSA. as Dr. siganga said,  there
> is no need of recreating the wheel. just contact Dr. kevit desai the KIF
> governor at KEPSA and ask him to adopt all ICT associations and stakeholders
> in KEPSA through KIF.
>
> believe me folks, if the ROMAN KING CONSTANTINE hadn t merged all christian
> sects and made himself the first POPE, christianity would not have survived
> 2000  years and be so successful in its mission
>
> good day all
>
> charles nduati
>
> On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 21:34 EEST Harry Delano wrote:
>
>> Al Kags,
>>
>> That is why this town hall meeting may be important. Actually Harry
>> (Hare), came up with a more brilliant idea that would require us to
>> make this to be more of an evaluation process
>> - that would create a "need" for
>> either overhaul or improvement in structures and processes. This could
>> be enacted by Govt, either through legislation, or an executive
>> decision.
>>
>> Mr. Kukubo, also had a good suggestion that we cast the net wider, to
>> draw in as many stakeholers as we can. This, I suppose would be be a
>> perfect chance for us, to tick each of these agencies off the list,
>> enumerating their roles, mandate, and how this all should fit in the
>> bigger picture across the national ICT Landscape. I suppose, we need to
>> hold to account those tasked with a mandate..
>>
>> So I suppose, the question we should be asking ourselves, is where do
>> we first start - The town hall meeting..?
>> And how do we cast this net wider for participation..?
>>
>> Harry
>>
>>  _____
>>
>> From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke] On
>> Behalf Of Al Kags
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 8:45 PM
>> To: harry at comtelsys.co.ke
>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked
>>
>>
>> Gilda, you are right that all organisations need to meet their
>> obligations effectively. I wonder though whether some of them are not
> duplicated?
>> especially some that we have seen listed on this thread?
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 4:40 PM, <godera at skyweb.co.ke> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Harry,
>>
>> I believe the various organisations are all playing their own unique roles.
>> Key thing is for each to meet it's obligations effectively.
>> Tim Waema's proposal on the discussion of various organisations and
>> their mandate is no doubt a good idea to get things cleared and for
>> industry to continue giving their input so that the organisations are well
> designed.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Gilda
>>
>>
>> Quoting Harry Delano <harry at comtelsys.co.ke>:
>>
>>>
>>> S. Murigi,
>>>
>>> Hey is it an ipad you typing on....?? Anyways, just on a lighter note...
>>>
>>> So, what could be the best way forward? It seems, we just got a whole
>> myriad
>>> of organizations out here, some of them I'm hearing for the 1st time..
>>>
>>> Harry
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>>> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry <mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Bharry>
>> =comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke] On
>>> Behalf Of S.Murigi Muraya
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 3:25 PM
>>> To: harry at comtelsys.co.ke
>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked
>>>
>>> About 2 years ago went to the KICTB offices then at Waiyaki Way. My
>> purpose
>>> then was to find out what they were about.
>>>
>>> Was referred to a visibly irritated fellow who was done with me in
>>> less
>> than
>>> 1 minute only telling me to check the KICTB website.
>>>
>>> Have waited to see what they would come up with and am not too
>> disappointed.
>>> For one they organize, co sponsor or market industry events that
>>> yuppies
>> can
>>> be involved in without falling asleep. Being sort of experienced in
>>> the professional tech skills development field this can
>>> authoritatively say
>> this
>>> is one of the 'enabling situations' we have lacked locally.
>>>
>>> We need skills but companies are not willing to train unethical
>>> techies
>> who
>>> jump ship immediately after being sharpened. On the other hand
>>> techies are unable to effectively educate themselves without
>>> corporate or tech
>> community
>>> support eg. www.ihub.co.ke
>>>
>>> Training centers are not too doing well financially & cannot hire the
>>> best (often more experienced) techies because corporates are not
>>> training as
>> much
>>> as they should. By working with industry giants (eg Google,
>>> Microsoft,
>>> Oracle) & their partners the KICTB is somehow helping educate techies
>>> via these industry events.
>>>
>>> If anything, the KICTB needs to exist for this purpose -> to help
>>> build capacity in the local tech industry. They are exposing budding
>>> software entreprenuers to Indian outsourcing practices to name another
> 'situation'
>>> they are enabling. GITS, NCS etc do not do this as far as I know.
>>>
>>> Nimechoka - typing on a mobile.
>>>
>>> SMM
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 16:52
>>> To: murigi.muraya at gmail.com
>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked
>>>
>>> Dr. Siganga,
>>>
>>> Your write up makes  sense, i guess we have been mixing too many
>>> issues,
>> in
>>> other words we handle government agencies and industry associations
>>> separately, sounds like the meeting is a welcome idea, i suggest
>> government
>>> agencies first.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 3:03 PM, waudo siganga
>>> <emailsignet at mailcan.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Hi Evans, all - we have discussed the issue of a statutory body to
>>> > regulate ICT professionalism on this list in the past and the
>>> > discussion did not go far. Some said that we would be interfering
>>> > with "innovation". Some mentioned Bill Gates as a guy who has done
>>> > much but does not have any professional qualification. Yet others
>>> > had other stories (e.g. the three blind men story from Brian and
>>> > his note to Walu on 7/7/08:
>>> >> I beg to differ. ICT is too large, too deep and too wide to have a
>>> >> single, authoritative, representative body. What you refer to
>>> >> would probably be more appropriate to some of the professional
>>> >> disciplines within the ICT sector e.g. Software Developers Guild,
>>> >> System Administrators Association, CIO/CTO Society - within which
>>> >> there can be certain codes of behavior, ethics, values, best practices
> etc...
>>> >
>>> > On 10/9/08 on this list I re-introduced the topic of a statutory
>>> > body such as LSK,ICPAK, ... to guide the ICT profession. In my mail
>>> > I even included a "draft ICT Professionals Act".  The idea received
>>> > cold water except from Kamotho.
>>> >
>>> > One distinction between "profession" and "Industry". In my mind I
>>> > see statutory bodies as more regulating "profession" rather than
> "industry".
>>> > Industry bodies are normally private sector initiatives formed by
>>> > interested persons to achieve common goals. I can be surprised to
>>> > hear the government being asked to help set up an "industry"
>>> > association of any type. Private sector associations engage the
>>> > government, so how can the same government be involved in their set
>>> > up? The other axiomatic thing about associations is that the ones
>>> > that do not deliver invariably die a natural death - and there are
>>> > many examples of this in Kenya even within ICT. It is not difficult
>>> > to set up a membership association (just like a Church or Club
>>> > which are set up
>> under
>>> the same "Societies Act").
>>> > People cannot be stopped from setting up associations because the
>>> > Constitution guarantees freedom of association. This means those
>>> > who have any bright ideas that are not accommodated by existing
>>> > associations cannot have an excuse or choose to take up the role of
>>> > professional hecklers of existing associations.
>>> >
>>> > Within ICT we agreed some years to accommodate multiple
>>> > associations which then converge under KEPSA umbrella to offer a
> unified voice.
>>> > This I think is working very well as recently exemplified at the
>>> > Prime Minister's Round Table where ICT issues were very well
> articulated.
>>> >
>>> > With regard to Prof's suggestion to discuss government agencies and
>>> > private sector associations at the same meeting I think that would
>>> > create much confusion and even opportunities for red herrings to be
>>> > thrown around. It is mixing oranges and apples. The word "association"
>>> > is actually a short form. The exact terminology is "membership
>>> > association". An association is made up of members who voluntarily
>>> > come together and run their interests. The members have their own
>>> > channels to discuss their issues. It does not take much imagination
>>> > to realize that someone who is NOT a "member" is unlikely to have
>>> > overflowing goodwill towards (leave alone information about) the
>>> > association. However, associations face a lot of challenges and a
>>> > specific get together of associations to discuss best practices and
>>> > ways of being sustainable and more effective would be welcome. The
>>> > Business Advocacy Fund is for example doing a great and positive
>>> > job in the direction of capacity building and funding. Well done to
> them.
>>> > Another useful type of meeting is the type you refer to that was
>>> > held at KICC a couple of years ago where associations can inform a
>>> > wider audience about their activities and roles and, perhaps,
>>> > recruit more
>>> members. Overall, an associations'
>>> > meeting should be a focused one and not be mixed up with one for
>>> > government agencies; and guest list should be expanded from Prof's
>>> > limiting suggestion of "the plethora of ICT industry associations
>>> > that are not effective" to include those which are effective so
>>> > that others can learn from them as well.
>>> >
>>> > Waudo
>>> > www.cskonline.org
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 02:38 -0500, ikua at lpakenya.org wrote:
>>> >> Dear listers,
>>> >> Did we not have a similar meeting not too long ago? I think it was
>>> >> about two years or so. Cant remember who had organized it but it
>>> >> was there at KICC. Same theme of taking stock of all ICT bodies.
>>> >> Cant remember if the Government agencies were represented.
>>> >>
>>> >> Not that I have a problem with yet another similar meeting, but we
>>> >> need to clearly set out what we want to achieve with that kind of
>>> >> gathering. Its common knowledge that the ICT industry is awash
>>> >> with all manner of associations/organizations and Government
>>> >> bodies. Isn't it time that we had the sort of organization that we
>>> >> see with other professions like Accountants and Lawyers etc? Isn't
>>> >> it time that the Government created a statutory industry
>>> >> association? This can easily be achieved by such legislation as
>>> >> the policy document presented by the PS the other day, or the
>>> >> Communications Act that was passed not too long ago.
>>> >>
>>> >> Inasmuch as the Government so believes in the increasing
>>> >> importance that ICT plays in the economy, then its imperative that
>>> >> we have an industry body that would take care of all others, say
>>> >> like a CSK that is recognized by an Act of parliament.
>>> >>
>>> >> Regards,
>>> >> Ikua
>>> >>
>>> >> Quoting Mwololo Tim <timwololo at gmail.com>:
>>> >>
>>> >> > Dear all,
>>> >> > The discussion needs to be on the institutional framework for
>>> >> > ICTs in Kenya, not just on KICTB. It needs to cover KICTB, NCS
>>> >> > and DEG/GITS. It also needs to include the plethora of ICT
>>> >> > industry
>>> associations that are not effective.
>>> >> > I can organize such a townhall meeting in Chiromo like the first
> one.
>>> >> > However, for such a meeting to be useful, it needs to be
>>> >> > preceded by some guided discussion on the same. Alternatively,
>>> >> > one or two persons can prepare presenations to guide the
>>> >> > discussions, with these presentations being made available
>>> >> > earlier for participants to acquint with them. I am also
>>> >> > prepared to be one of those persons. tim
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 9:10 PM, Barrack Otieno
>>> >> > <otieno.barrack at gmail.com>wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> Daktari,
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Thank you for setting the ball rolling, not sure i saw the
>>> >> >> document as well it must have been hijacked. A town hall
>>> >> >> meeting is a welcome idea i second it, Kippra felt sufficiently
>>> >> >> philanthropic before the last town hall meeting i wonder
>>> >> >> whether they can double their offer during this easter season,
>>> >> >> bwn Magolo can we count on you. Walu can set the agenda.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Regards
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Solomon Mburu Kamau
>>> >> >> <solo.mburu at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> >> > On 04/04/2010, bitange at jambo.co.ke <bitange at jambo.co.ke> wrote:
>>> >> >> >> Barrack,
>>> >> >> >> Several posts have come by on the role of ICT and I think it
>>> >> >> >> will be
>>> >> >> wise
>>> >> >> >> if we sorted this in a town hall meeting similar to one we
>>> >> >> >> had on
>>> >> >> Malili.
>>> >> >> >> Honestly it feels as though some Neanderthal decided to
>>> >> >> >> create these agencies without putting some thought to it.
>>> >> >> >> Criticisms are good only when you point out where there are
> gaps.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> The other day I posted a policy proposal for comments but
>>> >> >> >> only one
>>> >> >> person
>>> >> >> >> did respond.  What it means then is that this forum ni ya
>>> >> >> >> kuchongoana
>>> >> >> tu.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > Dakitari, with due respect, would you mind resending the
>>> >> >> > policy proposals as a new thread so that interested parties may
> respond?
>>> >> >> > If sent within this thread, I'm afraid they'll be swallowed
>>> >> >> > along the
>>> >> >> way.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> Which really is unfortunate.  I have four other policy
>>> >> >> >> proposals that I really think should push through then
>>> >> >> >> arouse sufficient interest from
>>> >> >> the
>>> >> >> >> membership here.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > I also think you should send them so that we react to the
>> contents!
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> Ndemo.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>> This is truly "Jicho Pevu", i think some answers to this
>>> >> >> >>> questions are very much in order as we celebrate Easter,
>>> >> >> >>> can someone provide us with a list of all agencies involved
>>> >> >> >>> in ICTs and ICT4D so that we can do some tooth comb
>>> >> >> >>> analysis, i saw a  post from Paul on what the board has
>>> >> >> >>> achieved early this year, that was very much in order we
>>> >> >> >>> need something from
>> NCS
>>> as well plus any other agencies.
>>> >> >> >>>
>>> >> >> >>> Regards
>>> >> >> >>>
>>> >> >> >>> On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Vitalis Olunga
>>> >> >> >>> <volunga at yahoo.com>
>>> >> >> wrote:
>>> >> >> >>>> There is also another body , National Communications
>>> >> >> >>>> Secretarait. What is the diffrence between NCS and ICT
>>> >> >> >>>> Baord and how do the two bodies
>>> >> >> relate
>>> >> >> >>>> with respect to  advisory services to the governement on
>>> >> >> >>>> ICT
>>> matters?
>>> >> >> >>>>
>>> >> >> >>>> Regards
>>> >> >> >>>>
>>> >> >> >>>>
>>> >> >> >>>> Vitalis
>>> >> >> >>>>
>>> >> >> >>>> ________________________________
>>> >> >> >>>> From: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
>>> >> >> >>>> To: volunga at yahoo.com
>>> >> >> >>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>>> >> >> >>>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>> >> >> >>>> Sent: Sat, April 3, 2010 12:03:22 PM
>>> >> >> >>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked
>>> >> >> >>>>
>>> >> >> >>>> Hi,
>>> >> >> >>>> I rest my case on this issue, the ICT Board is a monolith,
>>> >> >> >>>> Try reading this... (pdf file), as I feared it is mandated
>>> >> >> >>>> to do anything and everything under the sun that could be
>>> >> >> >>>> called ICT which includes your microwave oven and copier.
>>> >> >> >>>> Functions of Kenya ICT Board The core functions of Kenya
>>> >> >> >>>> ICT Board as documented in the Kenya
>>> >> >> Gazette
>>> >> >> >>>> Legal Notice No 26 of the May 2007:
>>> >> >> >>>> ?  To advice the government on all relevant matters
>>> >> >> >>>> pertaining to development, coordination  (remember the PM
>>> >> >> >>>> post) and promotion of ICT industries in the country.
>>> >> >> >>>> ?  Promote both locally and internationally the
>>> >> >> >>>> opportunities for investments in ICT technology ?
>>> >> >> >>>> Facilitate and manage ICT industrial incubation parks and
>>> >> >> technology
>>> >> >> >>>> parks together with associated facilities on sites,
>>> >> >> >>>> estates and
>>> land.
>>> >> >> >>>> ?  Partner with agents within and without the country to
>>> >> >> >>>> carry out
>>> >> >> such
>>> >> >> >>>> functions as it may consider necessary.
>>> >> >> >>>> ?  To transform and empower society through deployment and
>>> >> >> >>>> use of
>>> >> >> ICTs.
>>> >> >> >>>> ?  Carry out any other activity to promote and develop ICT
>>> >> >> >>>> products
>>> >> >> and
>>> >> >> >>>> services.
>>> >> >> >>>> Have a restful Easter as we await the limited range 4G,
>>> >> >> >>>> yes you
>>> >> >> guessed
>>> >> >> >>>> it I
>>> >> >> >>>> still have a 3G issue and I am in Nairobi.
>>> >> >> >>>> Regards
>>> >> >> >>>>
>>> >> >> >>>>
>>> >> >> >>>>
>>> >> >> >>>>
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