[kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked

Wed Apr 7 20:44:58 EAT 2010

Gilda, you are right that all organisations need to meet their obligations
effectively. I wonder though whether some of them are not duplicated?
especially some that we have seen listed on this thread?

On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 4:40 PM, <godera at skyweb.co.ke> wrote:

>
> Hi Harry,
>
> I believe the various organisations are all playing their own unique roles.
> Key thing is for each to meet it's obligations effectively.
> Tim Waema's proposal on the discussion of various organisations and their
> mandate is no doubt a good idea to get things cleared and for industry to
> continue giving their input so that the organisations are well designed.
>
> Best,
>
> Gilda
>
> Quoting Harry Delano <harry at comtelsys.co.ke>:
>
> >
> > S. Murigi,
> >
> > Hey is it an ipad you typing on....?? Anyways, just on a lighter note...
> >
> > So, what could be the best way forward? It seems, we just got a whole
> myriad
> > of organizations out here, some of them I'm hearing for the 1st time..
> >
> > Harry
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> > [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry <kictanet-bounces%2Bharry>=
> comtelsys.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke] On
> > Behalf Of S.Murigi Muraya
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 3:25 PM
> > To: harry at comtelsys.co.ke
> > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked
> >
> > About 2 years ago went to the KICTB offices then at Waiyaki Way. My
> purpose
> > then was to find out what they were about.
> >
> > Was referred to a visibly irritated fellow who was done with me in less
> than
> > 1 minute only telling me to check the KICTB website.
> >
> > Have waited to see what they would come up with and am not too
> disappointed.
> > For one they organize, co sponsor or market industry events that yuppies
> can
> > be involved in without falling asleep. Being sort of experienced in the
> > professional tech skills development field this can authoritatively say
> this
> > is one of the 'enabling situations' we have lacked locally.
> >
> > We need skills but companies are not willing to train unethical techies
> who
> > jump ship immediately after being sharpened. On the other hand techies
> are
> > unable to effectively educate themselves without corporate or tech
> community
> > support eg. www.ihub.co.ke
> >
> > Training centers are not too doing well financially & cannot hire the
> best
> > (often more experienced) techies because corporates are not training as
> much
> > as they should. By working with industry giants (eg Google, Microsoft,
> > Oracle) & their partners the KICTB is somehow helping educate techies via
> > these industry events.
> >
> > If anything, the KICTB needs to exist for this purpose -> to help build
> > capacity in the local tech industry. They are exposing budding software
> > entreprenuers to Indian outsourcing practices to name another 'situation'
> > they are enabling. GITS, NCS etc do not do this as far as I know.
> >
> > Nimechoka - typing on a mobile.
> >
> > SMM
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack at gmail.com>
> > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 16:52
> > To: murigi.muraya at gmail.com
> > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked
> >
> > Dr. Siganga,
> >
> > Your write up makes  sense, i guess we have been mixing too many issues,
> in
> > other words we handle government agencies and industry associations
> > separately, sounds like the meeting is a welcome idea, i suggest
> government
> > agencies first.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 3:03 PM, waudo siganga <emailsignet at mailcan.com>
> > wrote:
> > > Hi Evans, all - we have discussed the issue of a statutory body to
> > > regulate ICT professionalism on this list in the past and the
> > > discussion did not go far. Some said that we would be interfering with
> > > "innovation". Some mentioned Bill Gates as a guy who has done much but
> > > does not have any professional qualification. Yet others had other
> > > stories (e.g. the three blind men story from Brian and his note to
> > > Walu on 7/7/08:
> > >> I beg to differ. ICT is too large, too deep and too wide to have a
> > >> single, authoritative, representative body. What you refer to would
> > >> probably be more appropriate to some of the professional disciplines
> > >> within the ICT sector e.g. Software Developers Guild, System
> > >> Administrators Association, CIO/CTO Society - within which there can
> > >> be certain codes of behavior, ethics, values, best practices etc...
> > >
> > > On 10/9/08 on this list I re-introduced the topic of a statutory body
> > > such as LSK,ICPAK, ... to guide the ICT profession. In my mail I even
> > > included a "draft ICT Professionals Act".  The idea received cold
> > > water except from Kamotho.
> > >
> > > One distinction between "profession" and "Industry". In my mind I see
> > > statutory bodies as more regulating "profession" rather than
> "industry".
> > > Industry bodies are normally private sector initiatives formed by
> > > interested persons to achieve common goals. I can be surprised to hear
> > > the government being asked to help set up an "industry" association of
> > > any type. Private sector associations engage the government, so how
> > > can the same government be involved in their set up? The other
> > > axiomatic thing about associations is that the ones that do not
> > > deliver invariably die a natural death - and there are many examples
> > > of this in Kenya even within ICT. It is not difficult to set up a
> > > membership association (just like a Church or Club which are set up
> under
> > the same "Societies Act").
> > > People cannot be stopped from setting up associations because the
> > > Constitution guarantees freedom of association. This means those who
> > > have any bright ideas that are not accommodated by existing
> > > associations cannot have an excuse or choose to take up the role of
> > > professional hecklers of existing associations.
> > >
> > > Within ICT we agreed some years to accommodate multiple associations
> > > which then converge under KEPSA umbrella to offer a unified voice.
> > > This I think is working very well as recently exemplified at the Prime
> > > Minister's Round Table where ICT issues were very well articulated.
> > >
> > > With regard to Prof's suggestion to discuss government agencies and
> > > private sector associations at the same meeting I think that would
> > > create much confusion and even opportunities for red herrings to be
> > > thrown around. It is mixing oranges and apples. The word "association"
> > > is actually a short form. The exact terminology is "membership
> > > association". An association is made up of members who voluntarily
> > > come together and run their interests. The members have their own
> > > channels to discuss their issues. It does not take much imagination to
> > > realize that someone who is NOT a "member" is unlikely to have
> > > overflowing goodwill towards (leave alone information about) the
> > > association. However, associations face a lot of challenges and a
> > > specific get together of associations to discuss best practices and
> > > ways of being sustainable and more effective would be welcome. The
> > > Business Advocacy Fund is for example doing a great and positive job
> > > in the direction of capacity building and funding. Well done to them.
> > > Another useful type of meeting is the type you refer to that was held
> > > at KICC a couple of years ago where associations can inform a wider
> > > audience about their activities and roles and, perhaps, recruit more
> > members. Overall, an associations'
> > > meeting should be a focused one and not be mixed up with one for
> > > government agencies; and guest list should be expanded from Prof's
> > > limiting suggestion of "the plethora of ICT industry associations that
> > > are not effective" to include those which are effective so that others
> > > can learn from them as well.
> > >
> > > Waudo
> > > www.cskonline.org
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 02:38 -0500, ikua at lpakenya.org wrote:
> > >> Dear listers,
> > >> Did we not have a similar meeting not too long ago? I think it was
> > >> about two years or so. Cant remember who had organized it but it was
> > >> there at KICC. Same theme of taking stock of all ICT bodies. Cant
> > >> remember if the Government agencies were represented.
> > >>
> > >> Not that I have a problem with yet another similar meeting, but we
> > >> need to clearly set out what we want to achieve with that kind of
> > >> gathering. Its common knowledge that the ICT industry is awash with
> > >> all manner of associations/organizations and Government bodies. Isn't
> > >> it time that we had the sort of organization that we see with other
> > >> professions like Accountants and Lawyers etc? Isn't it time that the
> > >> Government created a statutory industry association? This can easily
> > >> be achieved by such legislation as the policy document presented by
> > >> the PS the other day, or the Communications Act that was passed not
> > >> too long ago.
> > >>
> > >> Inasmuch as the Government so believes in the increasing importance
> > >> that ICT plays in the economy, then its imperative that we have an
> > >> industry body that would take care of all others, say like a CSK that
> > >> is recognized by an Act of parliament.
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >> Ikua
> > >>
> > >> Quoting Mwololo Tim <timwololo at gmail.com>:
> > >>
> > >> > Dear all,
> > >> > The discussion needs to be on the institutional framework for ICTs
> > >> > in Kenya, not just on KICTB. It needs to cover KICTB, NCS and
> > >> > DEG/GITS. It also needs to include the plethora of ICT industry
> > associations that are not effective.
> > >> > I can organize such a townhall meeting in Chiromo like the first
> one.
> > >> > However, for such a meeting to be useful, it needs to be preceded
> > >> > by some guided discussion on the same. Alternatively, one or two
> > >> > persons can prepare presenations to guide the discussions, with
> > >> > these presentations being made available earlier for participants
> > >> > to acquint with them. I am also prepared to be one of those
> > >> > persons. tim
> > >> >
> > >> > On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 9:10 PM, Barrack Otieno
> > >> > <otieno.barrack at gmail.com>wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> Daktari,
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Thank you for setting the ball rolling, not sure i saw the
> > >> >> document as well it must have been hijacked. A town hall meeting
> > >> >> is a welcome idea i second it, Kippra felt sufficiently
> > >> >> philanthropic before the last town hall meeting i wonder whether
> > >> >> they can double their offer during this easter season, bwn Magolo
> > >> >> can we count on you. Walu can set the agenda.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Regards
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Solomon Mburu Kamau
> > >> >> <solo.mburu at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >> > On 04/04/2010, bitange at jambo.co.ke <bitange at jambo.co.ke> wrote:
> > >> >> >> Barrack,
> > >> >> >> Several posts have come by on the role of ICT and I think it
> > >> >> >> will be
> > >> >> wise
> > >> >> >> if we sorted this in a town hall meeting similar to one we had
> > >> >> >> on
> > >> >> Malili.
> > >> >> >> Honestly it feels as though some Neanderthal decided to create
> > >> >> >> these agencies without putting some thought to it.  Criticisms
> > >> >> >> are good only when you point out where there are gaps.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> The other day I posted a policy proposal for comments but only
> > >> >> >> one
> > >> >> person
> > >> >> >> did respond.  What it means then is that this forum ni ya
> > >> >> >> kuchongoana
> > >> >> tu.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Dakitari, with due respect, would you mind resending the policy
> > >> >> > proposals as a new thread so that interested parties may respond?
> > >> >> > If sent within this thread, I'm afraid they'll be swallowed
> > >> >> > along the
> > >> >> way.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >> Which really is unfortunate.  I have four other policy
> > >> >> >> proposals that I really think should push through then arouse
> > >> >> >> sufficient interest from
> > >> >> the
> > >> >> >> membership here.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > I also think you should send them so that we react to the
> contents!
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> Ndemo.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>> This is truly "Jicho Pevu", i think some answers to this
> > >> >> >>> questions are very much in order as we celebrate Easter, can
> > >> >> >>> someone provide us with a list of all agencies involved in
> > >> >> >>> ICTs and ICT4D so that we can do some tooth comb analysis, i
> > >> >> >>> saw a  post from Paul on what the board has achieved early
> > >> >> >>> this year, that was very much in order we need something from
> NCS
> > as well plus any other agencies.
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>> Regards
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>> On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Vitalis Olunga
> > >> >> >>> <volunga at yahoo.com>
> > >> >> wrote:
> > >> >> >>>> There is also another body , National Communications
> > >> >> >>>> Secretarait. What is the diffrence between NCS and ICT Baord
> > >> >> >>>> and how do the two bodies
> > >> >> relate
> > >> >> >>>> with respect to  advisory services to the governement on ICT
> > matters?
> > >> >> >>>>
> > >> >> >>>> Regards
> > >> >> >>>>
> > >> >> >>>>
> > >> >> >>>> Vitalis
> > >> >> >>>>
> > >> >> >>>> ________________________________
> > >> >> >>>> From: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
> > >> >> >>>> To: volunga at yahoo.com
> > >> >> >>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> > >> >> >>>> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > >> >> >>>> Sent: Sat, April 3, 2010 12:03:22 PM
> > >> >> >>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked
> > >> >> >>>>
> > >> >> >>>> Hi,
> > >> >> >>>> I rest my case on this issue, the ICT Board is a monolith,
> > >> >> >>>> Try reading this... (pdf file), as I feared it is mandated to
> > >> >> >>>> do anything and everything under the sun that could be called
> > >> >> >>>> ICT which includes your microwave oven and copier.
> > >> >> >>>> Functions of Kenya ICT Board
> > >> >> >>>> The core functions of Kenya ICT Board as documented in the
> > >> >> >>>> Kenya
> > >> >> Gazette
> > >> >> >>>> Legal Notice No 26 of the May 2007:
> > >> >> >>>> ?  To advice the government on all relevant matters
> > >> >> >>>> pertaining to development, coordination  (remember the PM
> > >> >> >>>> post) and promotion of ICT industries in the country.
> > >> >> >>>> ?  Promote both locally and internationally the opportunities
> > >> >> >>>> for investments in ICT technology ?  Facilitate and manage
> > >> >> >>>> ICT industrial incubation parks and
> > >> >> technology
> > >> >> >>>> parks together with associated facilities on sites, estates
> and
> > land.
> > >> >> >>>> ?  Partner with agents within and without the country to
> > >> >> >>>> carry out
> > >> >> such
> > >> >> >>>> functions as it may consider necessary.
> > >> >> >>>> ?  To transform and empower society through deployment and
> > >> >> >>>> use of
> > >> >> ICTs.
> > >> >> >>>> ?  Carry out any other activity to promote and develop ICT
> > >> >> >>>> products
> > >> >> and
> > >> >> >>>> services.
> > >> >> >>>> Have a restful Easter as we await the limited range 4G, yes
> > >> >> >>>> you
> > >> >> guessed
> > >> >> >>>> it I
> > >> >> >>>> still have a 3G issue and I am in Nairobi.
> > >> >> >>>> Regards
> > >> >> >>>>
> > >> >> >>>>
> > >> >> >>>>
> > >> >> >>>>
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