Gilda, you are right that all organisations need to meet their obligations effectively. I wonder though whether some of them are not duplicated? especially some that we have seen listed on this thread?<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 4:40 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:godera@skyweb.co.ke">godera@skyweb.co.ke</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<br>
Hi Harry,<br>
<br>
I believe the various organisations are all playing their own unique roles.<br>
Key thing is for each to meet it's obligations effectively.<br>
Tim Waema's proposal on the discussion of various organisations and their<br>
mandate is no doubt a good idea to get things cleared and for industry to<br>
continue giving their input so that the organisations are well designed.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
Gilda<br>
<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
Quoting Harry Delano <<a href="mailto:harry@comtelsys.co.ke">harry@comtelsys.co.ke</a>>:<br>
<br>
><br>
> S. Murigi,<br>
><br>
> Hey is it an ipad you typing on....?? Anyways, just on a lighter note...<br>
><br>
> So, what could be the best way forward? It seems, we just got a whole myriad<br>
> of organizations out here, some of them I'm hearing for the 1st time..<br>
><br>
> Harry<br>
><br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: kictanet-bounces+harry=<a href="http://comtelsys.co.ke" target="_blank">comtelsys.co.ke</a>@<a href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br>
> [mailto:<a href="mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Bharry">kictanet-bounces+harry</a>=<a href="http://comtelsys.co.ke" target="_blank">comtelsys.co.ke</a>@<a href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>] On<br>
> Behalf Of S.Murigi Muraya<br>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 3:25 PM<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:harry@comtelsys.co.ke">harry@comtelsys.co.ke</a><br>
> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<br>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked<br>
><br>
> About 2 years ago went to the KICTB offices then at Waiyaki Way. My purpose<br>
> then was to find out what they were about.<br>
><br>
> Was referred to a visibly irritated fellow who was done with me in less than<br>
> 1 minute only telling me to check the KICTB website.<br>
><br>
> Have waited to see what they would come up with and am not too disappointed.<br>
> For one they organize, co sponsor or market industry events that yuppies can<br>
> be involved in without falling asleep. Being sort of experienced in the<br>
> professional tech skills development field this can authoritatively say this<br>
> is one of the 'enabling situations' we have lacked locally.<br>
><br>
> We need skills but companies are not willing to train unethical techies who<br>
> jump ship immediately after being sharpened. On the other hand techies are<br>
> unable to effectively educate themselves without corporate or tech community<br>
> support eg. <a href="http://www.ihub.co.ke" target="_blank">www.ihub.co.ke</a><br>
><br>
> Training centers are not too doing well financially & cannot hire the best<br>
> (often more experienced) techies because corporates are not training as much<br>
> as they should. By working with industry giants (eg Google, Microsoft,<br>
> Oracle) & their partners the KICTB is somehow helping educate techies via<br>
> these industry events.<br>
><br>
> If anything, the KICTB needs to exist for this purpose -> to help build<br>
> capacity in the local tech industry. They are exposing budding software<br>
> entreprenuers to Indian outsourcing practices to name another 'situation'<br>
> they are enabling. GITS, NCS etc do not do this as far as I know.<br>
><br>
> Nimechoka - typing on a mobile.<br>
><br>
> SMM<br>
><br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: Barrack Otieno <<a href="mailto:otieno.barrack@gmail.com">otieno.barrack@gmail.com</a>><br>
> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 16:52<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:murigi.muraya@gmail.com">murigi.muraya@gmail.com</a><br>
> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked<br>
><br>
> Dr. Siganga,<br>
><br>
> Your write up makes sense, i guess we have been mixing too many issues, in<br>
> other words we handle government agencies and industry associations<br>
> separately, sounds like the meeting is a welcome idea, i suggest government<br>
> agencies first.<br>
><br>
> Regards<br>
><br>
> On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 3:03 PM, waudo siganga <<a href="mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com">emailsignet@mailcan.com</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
> > Hi Evans, all - we have discussed the issue of a statutory body to<br>
> > regulate ICT professionalism on this list in the past and the<br>
> > discussion did not go far. Some said that we would be interfering with<br>
> > "innovation". Some mentioned Bill Gates as a guy who has done much but<br>
> > does not have any professional qualification. Yet others had other<br>
> > stories (e.g. the three blind men story from Brian and his note to<br>
> > Walu on 7/7/08:<br>
> >> I beg to differ. ICT is too large, too deep and too wide to have a<br>
> >> single, authoritative, representative body. What you refer to would<br>
> >> probably be more appropriate to some of the professional disciplines<br>
> >> within the ICT sector e.g. Software Developers Guild, System<br>
> >> Administrators Association, CIO/CTO Society - within which there can<br>
> >> be certain codes of behavior, ethics, values, best practices etc...<br>
> ><br>
> > On 10/9/08 on this list I re-introduced the topic of a statutory body<br>
> > such as LSK,ICPAK, ... to guide the ICT profession. In my mail I even<br>
> > included a "draft ICT Professionals Act". The idea received cold<br>
> > water except from Kamotho.<br>
> ><br>
> > One distinction between "profession" and "Industry". In my mind I see<br>
> > statutory bodies as more regulating "profession" rather than "industry".<br>
> > Industry bodies are normally private sector initiatives formed by<br>
> > interested persons to achieve common goals. I can be surprised to hear<br>
> > the government being asked to help set up an "industry" association of<br>
> > any type. Private sector associations engage the government, so how<br>
> > can the same government be involved in their set up? The other<br>
> > axiomatic thing about associations is that the ones that do not<br>
> > deliver invariably die a natural death - and there are many examples<br>
> > of this in Kenya even within ICT. It is not difficult to set up a<br>
> > membership association (just like a Church or Club which are set up under<br>
> the same "Societies Act").<br>
> > People cannot be stopped from setting up associations because the<br>
> > Constitution guarantees freedom of association. This means those who<br>
> > have any bright ideas that are not accommodated by existing<br>
> > associations cannot have an excuse or choose to take up the role of<br>
> > professional hecklers of existing associations.<br>
> ><br>
> > Within ICT we agreed some years to accommodate multiple associations<br>
> > which then converge under KEPSA umbrella to offer a unified voice.<br>
> > This I think is working very well as recently exemplified at the Prime<br>
> > Minister's Round Table where ICT issues were very well articulated.<br>
> ><br>
> > With regard to Prof's suggestion to discuss government agencies and<br>
> > private sector associations at the same meeting I think that would<br>
> > create much confusion and even opportunities for red herrings to be<br>
> > thrown around. It is mixing oranges and apples. The word "association"<br>
> > is actually a short form. The exact terminology is "membership<br>
> > association". An association is made up of members who voluntarily<br>
> > come together and run their interests. The members have their own<br>
> > channels to discuss their issues. It does not take much imagination to<br>
> > realize that someone who is NOT a "member" is unlikely to have<br>
> > overflowing goodwill towards (leave alone information about) the<br>
> > association. However, associations face a lot of challenges and a<br>
> > specific get together of associations to discuss best practices and<br>
> > ways of being sustainable and more effective would be welcome. The<br>
> > Business Advocacy Fund is for example doing a great and positive job<br>
> > in the direction of capacity building and funding. Well done to them.<br>
> > Another useful type of meeting is the type you refer to that was held<br>
> > at KICC a couple of years ago where associations can inform a wider<br>
> > audience about their activities and roles and, perhaps, recruit more<br>
> members. Overall, an associations'<br>
> > meeting should be a focused one and not be mixed up with one for<br>
> > government agencies; and guest list should be expanded from Prof's<br>
> > limiting suggestion of "the plethora of ICT industry associations that<br>
> > are not effective" to include those which are effective so that others<br>
> > can learn from them as well.<br>
> ><br>
> > Waudo<br>
> > <a href="http://www.cskonline.org" target="_blank">www.cskonline.org</a><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 02:38 -0500, <a href="mailto:ikua@lpakenya.org">ikua@lpakenya.org</a> wrote:<br>
> >> Dear listers,<br>
> >> Did we not have a similar meeting not too long ago? I think it was<br>
> >> about two years or so. Cant remember who had organized it but it was<br>
> >> there at KICC. Same theme of taking stock of all ICT bodies. Cant<br>
> >> remember if the Government agencies were represented.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Not that I have a problem with yet another similar meeting, but we<br>
> >> need to clearly set out what we want to achieve with that kind of<br>
> >> gathering. Its common knowledge that the ICT industry is awash with<br>
> >> all manner of associations/organizations and Government bodies. Isn't<br>
> >> it time that we had the sort of organization that we see with other<br>
> >> professions like Accountants and Lawyers etc? Isn't it time that the<br>
> >> Government created a statutory industry association? This can easily<br>
> >> be achieved by such legislation as the policy document presented by<br>
> >> the PS the other day, or the Communications Act that was passed not<br>
> >> too long ago.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Inasmuch as the Government so believes in the increasing importance<br>
> >> that ICT plays in the economy, then its imperative that we have an<br>
> >> industry body that would take care of all others, say like a CSK that<br>
> >> is recognized by an Act of parliament.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Regards,<br>
> >> Ikua<br>
> >><br>
> >> Quoting Mwololo Tim <<a href="mailto:timwololo@gmail.com">timwololo@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
> >><br>
> >> > Dear all,<br>
> >> > The discussion needs to be on the institutional framework for ICTs<br>
> >> > in Kenya, not just on KICTB. It needs to cover KICTB, NCS and<br>
> >> > DEG/GITS. It also needs to include the plethora of ICT industry<br>
> associations that are not effective.<br>
> >> > I can organize such a townhall meeting in Chiromo like the first one.<br>
> >> > However, for such a meeting to be useful, it needs to be preceded<br>
> >> > by some guided discussion on the same. Alternatively, one or two <br>
> >> > persons can prepare presenations to guide the discussions, with<br>
> >> > these presentations being made available earlier for participants<br>
> >> > to acquint with them. I am also prepared to be one of those<br>
> >> > persons. tim<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 9:10 PM, Barrack Otieno<br>
> >> > <<a href="mailto:otieno.barrack@gmail.com">otieno.barrack@gmail.com</a>>wrote:<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> >> Daktari,<br>
> >> >><br>
> >> >> Thank you for setting the ball rolling, not sure i saw the<br>
> >> >> document as well it must have been hijacked. A town hall meeting<br>
> >> >> is a welcome idea i second it, Kippra felt sufficiently<br>
> >> >> philanthropic before the last town hall meeting i wonder whether<br>
> >> >> they can double their offer during this easter season, bwn Magolo<br>
> >> >> can we count on you. Walu can set the agenda.<br>
> >> >><br>
> >> >> Regards<br>
> >> >><br>
> >> >> On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Solomon Mburu Kamau<br>
> >> >> <<a href="mailto:solo.mburu@gmail.com">solo.mburu@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> >> >> > On 04/04/2010, <a href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a> <<a href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a>> wrote:<br>
> >> >> >> Barrack,<br>
> >> >> >> Several posts have come by on the role of ICT and I think it<br>
> >> >> >> will be<br>
> >> >> wise<br>
> >> >> >> if we sorted this in a town hall meeting similar to one we had<br>
> >> >> >> on<br>
> >> >> Malili.<br>
> >> >> >> Honestly it feels as though some Neanderthal decided to create<br>
> >> >> >> these agencies without putting some thought to it. Criticisms<br>
> >> >> >> are good only when you point out where there are gaps.<br>
> >> >> >><br>
> >> >> >> The other day I posted a policy proposal for comments but only<br>
> >> >> >> one<br>
> >> >> person<br>
> >> >> >> did respond. What it means then is that this forum ni ya<br>
> >> >> >> kuchongoana<br>
> >> >> tu.<br>
> >> >> ><br>
> >> >> > Dakitari, with due respect, would you mind resending the policy<br>
> >> >> > proposals as a new thread so that interested parties may respond?<br>
> >> >> > If sent within this thread, I'm afraid they'll be swallowed<br>
> >> >> > along the<br>
> >> >> way.<br>
> >> >> ><br>
> >> >> >> Which really is unfortunate. I have four other policy<br>
> >> >> >> proposals that I really think should push through then arouse<br>
> >> >> >> sufficient interest from<br>
> >> >> the<br>
> >> >> >> membership here.<br>
> >> >> ><br>
> >> >> > I also think you should send them so that we react to the contents!<br>
> >> >> >><br>
> >> >> >><br>
> >> >> >> Ndemo.<br>
> >> >> >><br>
> >> >> >><br>
> >> >> >>> This is truly "Jicho Pevu", i think some answers to this<br>
> >> >> >>> questions are very much in order as we celebrate Easter, can<br>
> >> >> >>> someone provide us with a list of all agencies involved in<br>
> >> >> >>> ICTs and ICT4D so that we can do some tooth comb analysis, i<br>
> >> >> >>> saw a post from Paul on what the board has achieved early<br>
> >> >> >>> this year, that was very much in order we need something from NCS<br>
> as well plus any other agencies.<br>
> >> >> >>><br>
> >> >> >>> Regards<br>
> >> >> >>><br>
> >> >> >>> On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Vitalis Olunga<br>
> >> >> >>> <<a href="mailto:volunga@yahoo.com">volunga@yahoo.com</a>><br>
> >> >> wrote:<br>
> >> >> >>>> There is also another body , National Communications<br>
> >> >> >>>> Secretarait. What is the diffrence between NCS and ICT Baord<br>
> >> >> >>>> and how do the two bodies<br>
> >> >> relate<br>
> >> >> >>>> with respect to advisory services to the governement on ICT<br>
> matters?<br>
> >> >> >>>><br>
> >> >> >>>> Regards<br>
> >> >> >>>><br>
> >> >> >>>><br>
> >> >> >>>> Vitalis<br>
> >> >> >>>><br>
> >> >> >>>> ________________________________<br>
> >> >> >>>> From: robert yawe <<a href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a>><br>
> >> >> >>>> To: <a href="mailto:volunga@yahoo.com">volunga@yahoo.com</a><br>
> >> >> >>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<br>
> >> >> >>>> <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
> >> >> >>>> Sent: Sat, April 3, 2010 12:03:22 PM<br>
> >> >> >>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked<br>
> >> >> >>>><br>
> >> >> >>>> Hi,<br>
> >> >> >>>> I rest my case on this issue, the ICT Board is a monolith,<br>
> >> >> >>>> Try reading this... (pdf file), as I feared it is mandated to<br>
> >> >> >>>> do anything and everything under the sun that could be called<br>
> >> >> >>>> ICT which includes your microwave oven and copier.<br>
> >> >> >>>> Functions of Kenya ICT Board<br>
> >> >> >>>> The core functions of Kenya ICT Board as documented in the<br>
> >> >> >>>> Kenya<br>
> >> >> Gazette<br>
> >> >> >>>> Legal Notice No 26 of the May 2007:<br>
> >> >> >>>> ? To advice the government on all relevant matters<br>
> >> >> >>>> pertaining to development, coordination (remember the PM<br>
> >> >> >>>> post) and promotion of ICT industries in the country.<br>
> >> >> >>>> ? Promote both locally and internationally the opportunities<br>
> >> >> >>>> for investments in ICT technology ? Facilitate and manage<br>
> >> >> >>>> ICT industrial incubation parks and<br>
> >> >> technology<br>
> >> >> >>>> parks together with associated facilities on sites, estates and<br>
> land.<br>
> >> >> >>>> ? Partner with agents within and without the country to<br>
> >> >> >>>> carry out<br>
> >> >> such<br>
> >> >> >>>> functions as it may consider necessary.<br>
> >> >> >>>> ? To transform and empower society through deployment and<br>
> >> >> >>>> use of<br>
> >> >> ICTs.<br>
> >> >> >>>> ? Carry out any other activity to promote and develop ICT<br>
> >> >> >>>> products<br>
> >> >> and<br>
> >> >> >>>> services.<br>
> >> >> >>>> Have a restful Easter as we await the limited range 4G, yes<br>
> >> >> >>>> you<br>
> >> >> guessed<br>
> >> >> >>>> it I<br>
> >> >> >>>> still have a 3G issue and I am in Nairobi.<br>
> >> >> >>>> Regards<br>
> >> >> >>>><br>
> >> >> >>>><br>
> >> >> >>>><br>
> >> >> >>>><br>
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