[kictanet] Cable issues

Sun Nov 8 23:27:27 EAT 2009

Eric,

I will stop here, I am coming from a practical point and this has nothing to
do with regulation.

Rgds

Kai

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Auftrag von emko at internetresearch.com.gh
Gesendet: Sunday, November 08, 2009 22:04
An: kai.wulff at kdn.co.ke
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
Betreff: Re: [kictanet] Cable issues

Kai,

You know that what is happening here, has also happened in Europe and most
recently Asia, my sugestion is one of the ways by which they fix it.

The bigger issue is our markets are not matured enough for one business to
depend on the other for provisioning of services, a precusor to the
markets working, is to use regulatory policy means.

Eric here

> Eric,
>
> My business depends on those cables (in the duct). It is for me the CORE.
>
> So who would I trust with outsourcing .. And, if the duct gets cut (and it
> will, 10, 20, 50 .. or more times a week), which cable will be restored by
> whom ... Where will a manhole be set? How will we fit all the Joint Boxes
> ..
>
> I think I should do a workshop and explain it from a practical point of
> view
> .. Forget that I work for one company!
>
> Kai
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: emko at internetresearch.com.gh [mailto:emko at internetresearch.com.gh]
> Gesendet: Sunday, November 08, 2009 18:14
> An: kai wulff
> Cc: emko at internetresearch.com.gh; 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'
> Betreff: Re: AW: [kictanet] Cable issues
>
> Kai,
>
> Congratulations on leading the way....
>
> Ducting needs to be seen as part of the infrastructure for development
> like roads, gutters etc. I explain this a bit more in my response to the
> other Eric.
>
> Building and or maintenance of ducts can be outsourced to the private
> sector, the situation of 5 operators fight for the best seat does not
> arrive when you have the third party maintenance entity who is rewarded
> for ensuring the ducts are useful.
>
> Eric here
>
>
>> Eric,
>>
>> Actually we had fiber first ..
>>
>> But it is not that easy .. The question with a duct is: Who is doing the
>> maintenance?
>>
>> If a duct gets cut, I would not want a scenario that has 5 operators on
>> site
>> fighting for the best "seat" in the house to restore!
>>
>> Rgds
>>
>> Kai
>>
>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke] Im
>> Auftrag von emko at internetresearch.com.gh
>> Gesendet: Sunday, November 08, 2009 17:13
>> An: kai.wulff at kdn.co.ke
>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>> Betreff: Re: [kictanet] Cable issues
>>
>> Mahmoud,
>>
>> While i agree with your simple but to be taken serious submission, i beg
>> to differ on the substance and form of the underlining principle.
>>
>> It is the reponsibility of regulatory policy to ensure that
>> infrastructure
>> is shared and a common conduit is built so that different providers can
>> blow their fiber, this is not a market failure situation but an argument
>> for direct public policy intervention to ensure a certain market
>> situation. In the absence of this, the same government through the
>> various
>> institutions collect all kinds of levies from the private companies
>> knowing very well that they are building next to each other.
>>
>> It is important for us to ensure not only institutional saparation but
>> stakeholder responbilities and outcomes in these discussions. The
>> government and regulator must do their work in ensuring that when KDN
>> wants to build fiber from Nairobi to Mombasa, they are told, telkom
>> already has the ducts in place so go talk to them, pay a fee and blow
>> your
>> fiber. Blaming KDN for getting the license and building out next to
>> Telkom, exonerate unnecessarily the responsibility of those
>> institutionalised to do so and belittles the effort to institutionalise.
>>
>> Thailand just passed a law to make broadband a right, this would create
>> the framework for private sector to ensure it happens or government
>> would
>> intervene to make it happen or they would be breaking the law they made.
>>
>> Eric here
>>
>>>
>>> Providers need to share infrastructure,it beats logic to see different
>>> providers digging next to each other on same side of the road,this also
>>> inconveniences road users regularly especilly in urban areas. A first
>>> timer in a route should have extra conduits that can be used by
>>> competitors  in future,once we share the suspicion of competition
>>> sabotaging will reduce.
>>> We also need to educate the public on the importance of the cable
>>> network
>>> to our country,economy and make a connection to how a cable cut impacts
>>> on
>>> their lives,ultimately the communities are the best custodians in their
>>> areas,we should also encourage contractors to use locals in each of the
>>> areas the cable is enroute and let them instill a sense of ownership to
>>> this communities.
>>> If government could perform well,local authorities and the state could
>>> be
>>> building and owning fibre routes or just the conduits and lease to all
>>> interested providers.
>>> With the fibre cuts each day we are reducing the kenya s potential of
>>> being the preffered gateway to landlocked countries like
>>> Uganda,Rwanda,S.Sudan etc,hence reducing our dominance in the region
>>> and
>>> in the process loosing economic/employment  opportunities,
>>>
>>> Concerned,frustrated
>>>
>>> Mahmoud Noor
>>> Sent from my BlackBerry®
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 22:14:08 +0300
>>> From: "kai wulff" <kai.wulff at kdn.co.ke>
>>> To: <jairah at kippra.or.ke>
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>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Cable issues
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>>> It would help if we could get our day in court. Vandalism is one thing,
>>> negligence another. We as Operators spend huge amounts on staff we
>>> attach
>>> to
>>> contractors to make sure they don't destroy our cable plant .. If they
>>> do,
>>> we never get compensated. Taking them to court takes years and you
>>> might
>>> only get awarded the cost of the cable plus the labor ..
>>>
>>> Frustrated
>>>
>>> Kai
>>>
>>>
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>>> Auftrag von jairah at kippra.or.ke
>>> Gesendet: Friday, November 06, 2009 20:40
>>> An: kai.wulff at kdn.co.ke
>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>>> Betreff: Re: [kictanet] Cable issues
>>>
>>> Colleagues
>>>
>>> What I would suggest is to have a law to protect critical
>>> infrastructure
>>> from vagabonds such as those that destroy cables and other
>>> infrastructure
>>> that we need to sustain the enabling environment for doing business.
>>> The
>>> penalties this guys receive are a joke and the law needs to target the
>>> entire value chain, at least on the Kenyan perhaps East African side.
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>>
>>> Eric Aligula
>>> Sent from my BlackBerry?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
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>>> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 19:07:21
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>>> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 22:16:41 +0300
>>> From: "kai wulff" <kai.wulff at kdn.co.ke>
>>> To: "'Jevans Nyabiage'" <jnyabiage at nation.co.ke>
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>>> Sabotage and Vandalism look very similar .. Unless we ask the people
>>> doing
>>> it we would not know the motives.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The fault on Monday was caused by contractors of another operator who
>>> was
>>> not following procedures and who thought that by virtue of working for
>>> a
>>> partly state owned company he will be allowed to do what he wants
>>> (happens
>>> very often, treatment of Operators is still not equal).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Today was clearly a fault caused by someone who ON PURPOSE cut the
>>> cable.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Did the person want to steal a cable and stopped when seeing it was not
>>> metal or was he there to sabotage the network - I would not know.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Kai
>>>
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>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>>> Betreff: [kictanet] Cable issues
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In the last few weeks there has been an outcry over increasing in
>>> disruption
>>> of networks with some of the affected firms pointing to industrial
>>> sabotage.
>>>
>>> Safaricom was the first this week to claim "acts of sabotage" on the
>>> disruption of its network. The Orange the next day arrested some cable
>>> vandals and attributed it to suspected sabotage.
>>>
>>> This Friday (today) Seacom fibre cable went offline for about four
>>> hours,
>>> they said this was due to cuts on KDN fibre around Voi.
>>>
>>> Is this 'sabotage' real or imagined?
>>>
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