[kictanet] Cable issues

Sun Nov 8 18:14:19 EAT 2009

Kai,

Congratulations on leading the way....

Ducting needs to be seen as part of the infrastructure for development
like roads, gutters etc. I explain this a bit more in my response to the
other Eric.

Building and or maintenance of ducts can be outsourced to the private
sector, the situation of 5 operators fight for the best seat does not
arrive when you have the third party maintenance entity who is rewarded
for ensuring the ducts are useful.

Eric here

> Eric,
>
> Actually we had fiber first ..
>
> But it is not that easy .. The question with a duct is: Who is doing the
> maintenance?
>
> If a duct gets cut, I would not want a scenario that has 5 operators on
> site
> fighting for the best "seat" in the house to restore!
>
> Rgds
>
> Kai
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke] Im
> Auftrag von emko at internetresearch.com.gh
> Gesendet: Sunday, November 08, 2009 17:13
> An: kai.wulff at kdn.co.ke
> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> Betreff: Re: [kictanet] Cable issues
>
> Mahmoud,
>
> While i agree with your simple but to be taken serious submission, i beg
> to differ on the substance and form of the underlining principle.
>
> It is the reponsibility of regulatory policy to ensure that infrastructure
> is shared and a common conduit is built so that different providers can
> blow their fiber, this is not a market failure situation but an argument
> for direct public policy intervention to ensure a certain market
> situation. In the absence of this, the same government through the various
> institutions collect all kinds of levies from the private companies
> knowing very well that they are building next to each other.
>
> It is important for us to ensure not only institutional saparation but
> stakeholder responbilities and outcomes in these discussions. The
> government and regulator must do their work in ensuring that when KDN
> wants to build fiber from Nairobi to Mombasa, they are told, telkom
> already has the ducts in place so go talk to them, pay a fee and blow your
> fiber. Blaming KDN for getting the license and building out next to
> Telkom, exonerate unnecessarily the responsibility of those
> institutionalised to do so and belittles the effort to institutionalise.
>
> Thailand just passed a law to make broadband a right, this would create
> the framework for private sector to ensure it happens or government would
> intervene to make it happen or they would be breaking the law they made.
>
> Eric here
>
>>
>> Providers need to share infrastructure,it beats logic to see different
>> providers digging next to each other on same side of the road,this also
>> inconveniences road users regularly especilly in urban areas. A first
>> timer in a route should have extra conduits that can be used by
>> competitors  in future,once we share the suspicion of competition
>> sabotaging will reduce.
>> We also need to educate the public on the importance of the cable
>> network
>> to our country,economy and make a connection to how a cable cut impacts
>> on
>> their lives,ultimately the communities are the best custodians in their
>> areas,we should also encourage contractors to use locals in each of the
>> areas the cable is enroute and let them instill a sense of ownership to
>> this communities.
>> If government could perform well,local authorities and the state could
>> be
>> building and owning fibre routes or just the conduits and lease to all
>> interested providers.
>> With the fibre cuts each day we are reducing the kenya s potential of
>> being the preffered gateway to landlocked countries like
>> Uganda,Rwanda,S.Sudan etc,hence reducing our dominance in the region and
>> in the process loosing economic/employment  opportunities,
>>
>> Concerned,frustrated
>>
>> Mahmoud Noor
>> Sent from my BlackBerry®
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 22:14:08 +0300
>> From: "kai wulff" <kai.wulff at kdn.co.ke>
>> To: <jairah at kippra.or.ke>
>> Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Cable issues
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>> It would help if we could get our day in court. Vandalism is one thing,
>> negligence another. We as Operators spend huge amounts on staff we
>> attach
>> to
>> contractors to make sure they don't destroy our cable plant .. If they
>> do,
>> we never get compensated. Taking them to court takes years and you might
>> only get awarded the cost of the cable plus the labor ..
>>
>> Frustrated
>>
>> Kai
>>
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>>
>> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke] Im
>> Auftrag von jairah at kippra.or.ke
>> Gesendet: Friday, November 06, 2009 20:40
>> An: kai.wulff at kdn.co.ke
>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>> Betreff: Re: [kictanet] Cable issues
>>
>> Colleagues
>>
>> What I would suggest is to have a law to protect critical infrastructure
>> from vagabonds such as those that destroy cables and other
>> infrastructure
>> that we need to sustain the enabling environment for doing business. The
>> penalties this guys receive are a joke and the law needs to target the
>> entire value chain, at least on the Kenyan perhaps East African side.
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Eric Aligula
>> Sent from my BlackBerry?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jevans Nyabiage <jnyabiage at nation.co.ke>
>> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 19:07:21
>> To: <jairah at kippra.or.ke>
>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>> Subject: [kictanet] Cable issues
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>> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 22:16:41 +0300
>> From: "kai wulff" <kai.wulff at kdn.co.ke>
>> To: "'Jevans Nyabiage'" <jnyabiage at nation.co.ke>
>> Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Cable issues
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>> Sabotage and Vandalism look very similar .. Unless we ask the people
>> doing
>> it we would not know the motives.
>>
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>> The fault on Monday was caused by contractors of another operator who
>> was
>> not following procedures and who thought that by virtue of working for a
>> partly state owned company he will be allowed to do what he wants
>> (happens
>> very often, treatment of Operators is still not equal).
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>> Today was clearly a fault caused by someone who ON PURPOSE cut the
>> cable.
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>> Did the person want to steal a cable and stopped when seeing it was not
>> metal or was he there to sabotage the network - I would not know.
>>
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>>
>> Kai
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>> Von: kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kai.wulff=kdn.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke] Im
>> Auftrag von Jevans Nyabiage
>> Gesendet: Friday, November 06, 2009 19:07
>> An: kai.wulff at kdn.co.ke
>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>> Betreff: [kictanet] Cable issues
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>> In the last few weeks there has been an outcry over increasing in
>> disruption
>> of networks with some of the affected firms pointing to industrial
>> sabotage.
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>> Safaricom was the first this week to claim "acts of sabotage" on the
>> disruption of its network. The Orange the next day arrested some cable
>> vandals and attributed it to suspected sabotage.
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>> This Friday (today) Seacom fibre cable went offline for about four
>> hours,
>> they said this was due to cuts on KDN fibre around Voi.
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>> Is this 'sabotage' real or imagined?
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