[kictanet] Cable issues

[kai wulff]

Eric,

Actually we had fiber first ..

But it is not that easy .. The question with a duct is: Who is doing the
maintenance?

If a duct gets cut, I would not want a scenario that has 5 operators on site
fighting for the best "seat" in the house to restore!

Rgds

Kai

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Auftrag von emko at internetresearch.com.gh
Gesendet: Sunday, November 08, 2009 17:13
An: kai.wulff at kdn.co.ke
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
Betreff: Re: [kictanet] Cable issues

Mahmoud,

While i agree with your simple but to be taken serious submission, i beg
to differ on the substance and form of the underlining principle.

It is the reponsibility of regulatory policy to ensure that infrastructure
is shared and a common conduit is built so that different providers can
blow their fiber, this is not a market failure situation but an argument
for direct public policy intervention to ensure a certain market
situation. In the absence of this, the same government through the various
institutions collect all kinds of levies from the private companies
knowing very well that they are building next to each other.

It is important for us to ensure not only institutional saparation but
stakeholder responbilities and outcomes in these discussions. The
government and regulator must do their work in ensuring that when KDN
wants to build fiber from Nairobi to Mombasa, they are told, telkom
already has the ducts in place so go talk to them, pay a fee and blow your
fiber. Blaming KDN for getting the license and building out next to
Telkom, exonerate unnecessarily the responsibility of those
institutionalised to do so and belittles the effort to institutionalise.

Thailand just passed a law to make broadband a right, this would create
the framework for private sector to ensure it happens or government would
intervene to make it happen or they would be breaking the law they made.

Eric here

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> Providers need to share infrastructure,it beats logic to see different
> providers digging next to each other on same side of the road,this also
> inconveniences road users regularly especilly in urban areas. A first
> timer in a route should have extra conduits that can be used by
> competitors  in future,once we share the suspicion of competition
> sabotaging will reduce.
> We also need to educate the public on the importance of the cable network
> to our country,economy and make a connection to how a cable cut impacts on
> their lives,ultimately the communities are the best custodians in their
> areas,we should also encourage contractors to use locals in each of the
> areas the cable is enroute and let them instill a sense of ownership to
> this communities.
> If government could perform well,local authorities and the state could be
> building and owning fibre routes or just the conduits and lease to all
> interested providers.
> With the fibre cuts each day we are reducing the kenya s potential of
> being the preffered gateway to landlocked countries like
> Uganda,Rwanda,S.Sudan etc,hence reducing our dominance in the region and
> in the process loosing economic/employment  opportunities,
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> Concerned,frustrated
>
> Mahmoud Noor
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> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 22:14:08 +0300
> From: "kai wulff" <kai.wulff at kdn.co.ke>
> To: <jairah at kippra.or.ke>
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> It would help if we could get our day in court. Vandalism is one thing,
> negligence another. We as Operators spend huge amounts on staff we attach
> to
> contractors to make sure they don't destroy our cable plant .. If they do,
> we never get compensated. Taking them to court takes years and you might
> only get awarded the cost of the cable plus the labor ..
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> Frustrated
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> Kai
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> Auftrag von jairah at kippra.or.ke
> Gesendet: Friday, November 06, 2009 20:40
> An: kai.wulff at kdn.co.ke
> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> Betreff: Re: [kictanet] Cable issues
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> Colleagues
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> What I would suggest is to have a law to protect critical infrastructure
> from vagabonds such as those that destroy cables and other infrastructure
> that we need to sustain the enabling environment for doing business. The
> penalties this guys receive are a joke and the law needs to target the
> entire value chain, at least on the Kenyan perhaps East African side.
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> Kind regards
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> Eric Aligula
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> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 19:07:21
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> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 22:16:41 +0300
> From: "kai wulff" <kai.wulff at kdn.co.ke>
> To: "'Jevans Nyabiage'" <jnyabiage at nation.co.ke>
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> Sabotage and Vandalism look very similar .. Unless we ask the people doing
> it we would not know the motives.
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> The fault on Monday was caused by contractors of another operator who was
> not following procedures and who thought that by virtue of working for a
> partly state owned company he will be allowed to do what he wants (happens
> very often, treatment of Operators is still not equal).
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> Today was clearly a fault caused by someone who ON PURPOSE cut the cable.
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> Did the person want to steal a cable and stopped when seeing it was not
> metal or was he there to sabotage the network - I would not know.
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> Kai
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> Gesendet: Friday, November 06, 2009 19:07
> An: kai.wulff at kdn.co.ke
> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> Betreff: [kictanet] Cable issues
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> In the last few weeks there has been an outcry over increasing in
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> of networks with some of the affected firms pointing to industrial
> sabotage.
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> Safaricom was the first this week to claim "acts of sabotage" on the
> disruption of its network. The Orange the next day arrested some cable
> vandals and attributed it to suspected sabotage.
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> This Friday (today) Seacom fibre cable went offline for about four hours,
> they said this was due to cuts on KDN fibre around Voi.
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> Is this 'sabotage' real or imagined?
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