[kictanet] Seacom goes live?
waudo siganga
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Fri Jul 31 16:04:39 EAT 2009
If I recall correctly we have been discussing these cables for
some years and there were figures of the anticipated dramatic
price drop, even if these were just estimates. Now we do not have
figures?
Waudo
On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 15:58 +0300, "Michael Joseph"
<MJoseph at Safaricom.co.ke> wrote:
At some risk let me say that I did not say that we first have
to recover our investment but said we must take that into
account. Let's not make rash assumptions about cost. I hear
figures of costs that I have yet to see. Prices will come down
for sure but I do not have a figure. We would be pretty stupid
to invest nearly US$45 million in the fiber cables and price
it so that no one uses it.
Regards
Michael Joseph
CEO
Safaricom Limited
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From:
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To: Michael Joseph
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
<kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Sent: Fri Jul 31 15:48:28 2009
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Seacom goes live?
Waudo
It was more saddening to hear it from Michael Joseph. I wonder
what PS Ndemo will say on this. We are not calling for price
regulation. We are calling for transfer of benefits to users.
We beg if thats what we must do to be heard
OH
> -----Original Message-----
> From: emailsignet at mailcan.com
> Sent: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 15:26:05 +0300
> To: onyango at inbox.com
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Seacom goes live?
>
> I agree with Hatari. After all the hullabaloo preeding this
fibre
> landings it is deflating to start hearing stories that the
benefits to
> consumers will be minimised as investments are recouped
(after the
> investments are re-couped will the services be free?).
>
> And Brian, Government licenses the corporates to serve
Wananchi. Both
> these players must show accountability to Wananchi.
>
> Well done Hatari.
>
> Waudo
>
> On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 03:41 -0800, "Onyango Hatari"
<onyango at inbox.com>
> wrote:
>> Brian
>>
>> Is there anywhere I mentione "everything"? Can you address
me on issues
>> I
>> raised and we should not start engaging in flame mail and
sideshows.
>> Address my issues.
>>
>> OH
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blongwe at gmail.com
>>> Sent: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 14:24:27 +0300
>>> To: onyango at inbox.com
>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Seacom goes live?
>>>
>>> hmm, so government and large corporates are to blame for
everything...
>>> isn't that an overly simple approach towards addressing
solutions to
>>> aid our development?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Onyango
Hatari<onyango at inbox.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Guys
>>>>
>>>> Its disgusting listening and watching Michael Joseph
claim how the
>>>> investors
>>>> must re-coup their investment. How much must they
continue to exploit
>>>> their
>>>> clients to "re-coup their investments"? The price of brea
was 100 and
>>>> now
>>>> has gone to 10 and the retailer is still charging 100
just to "re-coup
>>>> their
>>>> investment"?
>>>>
>>>> Is this the same MJ who said that the cost of doing
business in Kenya
>>>> is
>>>> expensive. Thats an investor must invest in a 4WD,
security and such?
>>>> Then I
>>>> wondered why we must have investors who cant even afford
a 4WD?
>>>>
>>>> We would rather have the kadogo economy than big ones who
continue to
>>>> exploit Kenyans even when they hinted how much costs will
go down. The
>>>> big
>>>> mistake is that now PS Ndemo who is representing the
government is
>>>> quiet.
>>>>
>>>> Michael, please can we see the transfer of savings to the
common man.
>>>> Thats
>>>> when Kenyans will appreciate you. We must not see atleas
the cost of
>>>> 300
>>>> MB
>>>> coming from 1,000 to Ksh 500. That way you will still be
making big
>>>> profits
>>>> but we will understand you.
>>>>
>>>> We need a government which cares for its citizens
>>>>
>>>> OH
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: warigia at gmail.com
>>>> Sent: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:19:19 +0300
>>>> To: onyango at inbox.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Seacom goes live?
>>>>
>>>> Dear Brian and Michael
>>>> So, what is the best way for the common mwananchi to take
advantage of
>>>> these
>>>> higher speeds? Will we experience them if we have the
small dial up
>>>> through
>>>> safaricom or do we need new equipment.
>>>> Sincerely, Warigia
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Brian Munyao Longwe
>>>> <blongwe at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> As usual Michael, you are right! I did a traceroute
(connected on
>>>> Onecom/Safaricom)
>>>>
>>>> As you can see it hops into London and gets onto AS6453
in London
>>>> which belongs to Tata.
>>>>
>>>> Brian
>>>>
>>>> BryoNet:~ macbook$ traceroute www.yahoo.com
>>>> traceroute to www.wa1.b.yahoo.com (69.147.76.15), 64 hops
max, 40 byte
>>>> packets
>>>> 1 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) 1.302 ms 0.689 ms 0.677
ms
>>>> 2 41-203-221-209.onecom.co.ke (41.203.221.209) 15.363
ms 4.641 ms
>>>> 4.172
>>>> ms
>>>> 3 41-203-216-12.onecom.co.ke (41.203.216.12) 20.489 ms
6.503 ms
>>>> 3.367
>>>> ms
>>>> 4 41-203-220-17.onecom.co.ke (41.203.220.17) 5.089 ms
16.715 ms
>>>> 5.910
>>>> ms
>>>> 5 41-203-220-2.onecom.co.ke (41.203.220.2) 5.636 ms
4.041 ms
>>>> 4.873
>>>> ms
>>>> 6 196.201.222.17 (196.201.222.17) 12.243 ms 4.722 ms
4.986 ms
>>>> 7 if-12-1-3.mcore3.ldn-london.as6453.net
(195.219.195.189) 238.321
>>>> ms 183.554 ms 187.807 ms
>>>> 8 if-5-0-0-903.core3.aeq-ashburn.as6453.net
(195.219.195.154)
>>>> 272.541 ms 274.972 ms 279.118 ms
>>>> 9 ix-3-0-9.core3.aeq-ashburn.as6453.net (216.6.51.30)
287.170 ms
>>>> 281.733 ms 277.584 ms
>>>> 10 ae2-p140.msr1.re1.yahoo.com (216.115.108.57) 272.322
ms
>>>> ae1-p150.msr2.re1.yahoo.com (216.115.108.21) 276.266 ms
269.433 ms
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Michael
>>>> Joseph<MJoseph at safaricom.co.ke>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> I think they are using Tata from Mumbai but I may be
wrong. Also
>>>>> comprehensive tests are not complete but nevertheless it
gave us an
>>>>> opportunity to experience much faster speeds which can
only get
>>>>> better.
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael
>>>>>
>>>>> CEO
>>>>> Safaricom Limited
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From:
kictanet-bounces+mjoseph=safaricom.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke
>>>>>
[[1]mailto:kictanet-bounces+mjoseph=safaricom.co.ke at lists.kict
anet.or.ke]
>>>>> On
>>>>> Behalf Of Maliti, Tom
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 11:46 AM
>>>>> To: Michael Joseph
>>>>> Cc: ke-users; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Seacom goes live?
>>>>>
>>>>> Asante sana Brian.
>>>>>
>>>>> I also pinged while connected to a 1Gbps SEACOM
connection last week
>>>>> in
>>>>> Mombasa and got similar numbers to what you got.
>>>>>
>>>>> The point is this: we have fiber in Kenya but our
service providers
>>>>> are
>>>>> not taking it up, even if it is backup. There have been
discussions
>>>>> on
>>>>> this
>>>>> list and other fora about the urgency of fiber for a
slew of big and
>>>>> small
>>>>> companies as well just you and I to be able to stream
video without
>>>>> interruption or spend less time on email (made possible
by high speed
>>>>> connections). Somehow our service providers, with the
exception of
>>>>> one,
>>>>> do
>>>>> not get that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unless of course there are others who already have.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tom Maliti
>>>>> Correspondent
>>>>> East Africa Bureau
>>>>>
>>>>> Direct line: +254 20 285 9109
>>>>> Office line: +254 20 285 9000
>>>>> +254 734 555 252
>>>>> Fax: +254 20 2724726
>>>>> Mobile +254 733 641 984
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Brian Munyao Longwe [[2]mailto:blongwe at gmail.com]
>>>>> Sent: 29 July 2009 11:24
>>>>> To: Maliti, Tom
>>>>> Cc: ke-users; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Seacom goes live?
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Tom,
>>>>>
>>>>> SEACOM indeed started providing services last week,
however the
>>>>> service
>>>>> being provided is not the *complete* SEACOM project.
>>>>>
>>>>> I understand that what they lit up is the portion that
connects SAT-3
>>>>> in
>>>>> South Africa upto Mombasa - therefore the international
link is going
>>>>> via
>>>>> SAT-3. The *complete* system as per their technical
drawings connects
>>>>> from
>>>>> Mumbai, India into Djibouti and thence across the EA
seaboard. What
>>>>> we
>>>>> have
>>>>> now is more of capacity on their "backup"
>>>>> system. A traceroute or 'ping' across their present link
reveals a
>>>>> round-trip-time (RTT) of about 140ms-240ms - this is due
to the
>>>>> congestion
>>>>> on SAT-3. A real "end-to-end" fiber system should yield
RTT of
>>>>> between
>>>>> 7-30ms.... they, nevertheless called it a "launch"
>>>>>
>>>>> Needless to say, this is much better performance than
the satellite
>>>>> that
>>>>> we are used to, thus the excitement is definitely worth
it's while -
>>>>> but it
>>>>> will be much more exciting once the true end-to-end
services of
>>>>> either
>>>>> SEACOM, TEAMS or others lights up.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Brian
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Maliti,
Tom<tmaliti at ap.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Dear Walu,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is almost a week since SEACOM went live and there
does not seem
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> be that much excitement or response despite the many
discussions
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> have been dedicated to broadband on this list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your question at the end of your email is still valid.
Or is it
>>>>>> possible our varied service providers were not
prepared,
>>>>>> irrespective
>>>>>> of what they say in public? It seems, however, one
service provider
>>>>>> was ready: Safaricom. Their service has been on fiber
since Saturday
>>>>>> and anyone who is on their data services has been
enjoying the high
>>>>>> speeds that have been talked about for years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does anyone know of any others?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tom Maliti
>>>>>> Correspondent
>>>>>> East Africa Bureau
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Direct line: +254 20 285 9109
>>>>>> Office line: +254 20 285 9000
>>>>>> +254 734 555 252
>>>>>> Fax: +254 20 2724726
>>>>>> Mobile +254 733 641 984
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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[[3]mailto:kictanet-bounces+tmaliti=ap.org at lists.kictanet.or.k
e] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Walubengo J
>>>>>> Sent: 23 July 2009 17:18
>>>>>> To: Maliti, Tom
>>>>>> Cc: skunk; ke-users; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>>>>>> Subject: [kictanet] Seacom goes live?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [4]http://twitter.com/SeacomLive/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jst reading from Twitter that Seacom has gone live. Not
sure if its
>>>>>> only in .TZ though. Any impact in .KE? Ama we are
still waiting
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> our very own TEAMS?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tunajivunia?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> walu.
>>>>>>
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