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<div>If I recall correctly we have been discussing these cables for some years and there were figures of the anticipated dramatic price drop, even if these were just estimates. Now we do not have figures?</div>
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<div>Waudo</div>
<div>On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 15:58 +0300, "Michael Joseph" <MJoseph@Safaricom.co.ke> wrote:</div>
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<p><!--/*SC*/defang_FONT SIZE=2/*EC*/--><span style="font-size: small">At some risk let me say that I did not say that we first have to recover our investment but said we must take that into account. Let's not make rash assumptions about cost. I hear figures of costs that I have yet to see. Prices will come down for sure but I do not have a figure. We would be pretty stupid to invest nearly US$45 million in the fiber cables and price it so that no one uses it.<br>
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Michael Joseph<br>
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Safaricom Limited<br>
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----- Original Message -----<br>
From: kictanet-bounces+mjoseph=safaricom.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke <kictanet-bounces+mjoseph=safaricom.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke><br>
To: Michael Joseph<br>
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke><br>
Sent: Fri Jul 31 15:48:28 2009<br>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Seacom goes live?<br>
<br>
Waudo<br>
<br>
It was more saddening to hear it from Michael Joseph. I wonder what PS Ndemo will say on this. We are not calling for price regulation. We are calling for transfer of benefits to users.<br>
<br>
We beg if thats what we must do to be heard<br>
<br>
OH<br>
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> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: emailsignet@mailcan.com<br>
> Sent: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 15:26:05 +0300<br>
> To: onyango@inbox.com<br>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Seacom goes live?<br>
><br>
> I agree with Hatari. After all the hullabaloo preeding this fibre<br>
> landings it is deflating to start hearing stories that the benefits to<br>
> consumers will be minimised as investments are recouped (after the<br>
> investments are re-couped will the services be free?).<br>
><br>
> And Brian, Government licenses the corporates to serve Wananchi. Both<br>
> these players must show accountability to Wananchi.<br>
><br>
> Well done Hatari.<br>
><br>
> Waudo<br>
><br>
> On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 03:41 -0800, "Onyango Hatari" <onyango@inbox.com><br>
> wrote:<br>
>> Brian<br>
>><br>
>> Is there anywhere I mentione "everything"? Can you address me on issues<br>
>> I<br>
>> raised and we should not start engaging in flame mail and sideshows.<br>
>> Address my issues.<br>
>><br>
>> OH<br>
>><br>
>>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>>> From: blongwe@gmail.com<br>
>>> Sent: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 14:24:27 +0300<br>
>>> To: onyango@inbox.com<br>
>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Seacom goes live?<br>
>>><br>
>>> hmm, so government and large corporates are to blame for everything...<br>
>>> isn't that an overly simple approach towards addressing solutions to<br>
>>> aid our development?<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Onyango Hatari<onyango@inbox.com><br>
>>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Guys<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Its disgusting listening and watching Michael Joseph claim how the<br>
>>>> investors<br>
>>>> must re-coup their investment. How much must they continue to exploit<br>
>>>> their<br>
>>>> clients to "re-coup their investments"? The price of brea was 100 and<br>
>>>> now<br>
>>>> has gone to 10 and the retailer is still charging 100 just to "re-coup<br>
>>>> their<br>
>>>> investment"?<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Is this the same MJ who said that the cost of doing business in Kenya<br>
>>>> is<br>
>>>> expensive. Thats an investor must invest in a 4WD, security and such?<br>
>>>> Then I<br>
>>>> wondered why we must have investors who cant even afford a 4WD?<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> We would rather have the kadogo economy than big ones who continue to<br>
>>>> exploit Kenyans even when they hinted how much costs will go down. The<br>
>>>> big<br>
>>>> mistake is that now PS Ndemo who is representing the government is<br>
>>>> quiet.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Michael, please can we see the transfer of savings to the common man.<br>
>>>> Thats<br>
>>>> when Kenyans will appreciate you. We must not see atleas the cost of<br>
>>>> 300<br>
>>>> MB<br>
>>>> coming from 1,000 to Ksh 500. That way you will still be making big<br>
>>>> profits<br>
>>>> but we will understand you.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> We need a government which cares for its citizens<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> OH<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>>>> From: warigia@gmail.com<br>
>>>> Sent: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:19:19 +0300<br>
>>>> To: onyango@inbox.com<br>
>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Seacom goes live?<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Dear Brian and Michael<br>
>>>> So, what is the best way for the common mwananchi to take advantage of<br>
>>>> these<br>
>>>> higher speeds? Will we experience them if we have the small dial up<br>
>>>> through<br>
>>>> safaricom or do we need new equipment.<br>
>>>> Sincerely, Warigia<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Brian Munyao Longwe<br>
>>>> <blongwe@gmail.com><br>
>>>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> As usual Michael, you are right! I did a traceroute (connected on<br>
>>>> Onecom/Safaricom)<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> As you can see it hops into London and gets onto AS6453 in London<br>
>>>> which belongs to Tata.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Brian<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> BryoNet:~ macbook$ traceroute www.yahoo.com<br>
>>>> traceroute to www.wa1.b.yahoo.com (69.147.76.15), 64 hops max, 40 byte<br>
>>>> packets<br>
>>>> 1 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) 1.302 ms 0.689 ms 0.677 ms<br>
>>>> 2 41-203-221-209.onecom.co.ke (41.203.221.209) 15.363 ms 4.641 ms<br>
>>>> 4.172<br>
>>>> ms<br>
>>>> 3 41-203-216-12.onecom.co.ke (41.203.216.12) 20.489 ms 6.503 ms<br>
>>>> 3.367<br>
>>>> ms<br>
>>>> 4 41-203-220-17.onecom.co.ke (41.203.220.17) 5.089 ms 16.715 ms<br>
>>>> 5.910<br>
>>>> ms<br>
>>>> 5 41-203-220-2.onecom.co.ke (41.203.220.2) 5.636 ms 4.041 ms<br>
>>>> 4.873<br>
>>>> ms<br>
>>>> 6 196.201.222.17 (196.201.222.17) 12.243 ms 4.722 ms 4.986 ms<br>
>>>> 7 if-12-1-3.mcore3.ldn-london.as6453.net (195.219.195.189) 238.321<br>
>>>> ms 183.554 ms 187.807 ms<br>
>>>> 8 if-5-0-0-903.core3.aeq-ashburn.as6453.net (195.219.195.154)<br>
>>>> 272.541 ms 274.972 ms 279.118 ms<br>
>>>> 9 ix-3-0-9.core3.aeq-ashburn.as6453.net (216.6.51.30) 287.170 ms<br>
>>>> 281.733 ms 277.584 ms<br>
>>>> 10 ae2-p140.msr1.re1.yahoo.com (216.115.108.57) 272.322 ms<br>
>>>> ae1-p150.msr2.re1.yahoo.com (216.115.108.21) 276.266 ms 269.433 ms<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Michael<br>
>>>> Joseph<MJoseph@safaricom.co.ke><br>
>>>> wrote:<br>
>>>>> I think they are using Tata from Mumbai but I may be wrong. Also<br>
>>>>> comprehensive tests are not complete but nevertheless it gave us an<br>
>>>>> opportunity to experience much faster speeds which can only get<br>
>>>>> better.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Michael<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> CEO<br>
>>>>> Safaricom Limited<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>>>>> From: kictanet-bounces+mjoseph=safaricom.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke<br>
>>>>> [<a href="mailto:kictanet-bounces+mjoseph=safaricom.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke">mailto:kictanet-bounces+mjoseph=safaricom.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>]<br>
>>>>> On<br>
>>>>> Behalf Of Maliti, Tom<br>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 11:46 AM<br>
>>>>> To: Michael Joseph<br>
>>>>> Cc: ke-users; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<br>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Seacom goes live?<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Asante sana Brian.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> I also pinged while connected to a 1Gbps SEACOM connection last week<br>
>>>>> in<br>
>>>>> Mombasa and got similar numbers to what you got.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> The point is this: we have fiber in Kenya but our service providers<br>
>>>>> are<br>
>>>>> not taking it up, even if it is backup. There have been discussions<br>
>>>>> on<br>
>>>>> this<br>
>>>>> list and other fora about the urgency of fiber for a slew of big and<br>
>>>>> small<br>
>>>>> companies as well just you and I to be able to stream video without<br>
>>>>> interruption or spend less time on email (made possible by high speed<br>
>>>>> connections). Somehow our service providers, with the exception of<br>
>>>>> one,<br>
>>>>> do<br>
>>>>> not get that.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Unless of course there are others who already have.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Tom Maliti<br>
>>>>> Correspondent<br>
>>>>> East Africa Bureau<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Direct line: +254 20 285 9109<br>
>>>>> Office line: +254 20 285 9000<br>
>>>>> +254 734 555 252<br>
>>>>> Fax: +254 20 2724726<br>
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>>>>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>>>>> From: Brian Munyao Longwe [<a href="mailto:blongwe@gmail.com">mailto:blongwe@gmail.com</a>]<br>
>>>>> Sent: 29 July 2009 11:24<br>
>>>>> To: Maliti, Tom<br>
>>>>> Cc: ke-users; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<br>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Seacom goes live?<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Hi Tom,<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> SEACOM indeed started providing services last week, however the<br>
>>>>> service<br>
>>>>> being provided is not the *complete* SEACOM project.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> I understand that what they lit up is the portion that connects SAT-3<br>
>>>>> in<br>
>>>>> South Africa upto Mombasa - therefore the international link is going<br>
>>>>> via<br>
>>>>> SAT-3. The *complete* system as per their technical drawings connects<br>
>>>>> from<br>
>>>>> Mumbai, India into Djibouti and thence across the EA seaboard. What<br>
>>>>> we<br>
>>>>> have<br>
>>>>> now is more of capacity on their "backup"<br>
>>>>> system. A traceroute or 'ping' across their present link reveals a<br>
>>>>> round-trip-time (RTT) of about 140ms-240ms - this is due to the<br>
>>>>> congestion<br>
>>>>> on SAT-3. A real "end-to-end" fiber system should yield RTT of<br>
>>>>> between<br>
>>>>> 7-30ms.... they, nevertheless called it a "launch"<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Needless to say, this is much better performance than the satellite<br>
>>>>> that<br>
>>>>> we are used to, thus the excitement is definitely worth it's while -<br>
>>>>> but it<br>
>>>>> will be much more exciting once the true end-to-end services of<br>
>>>>> either<br>
>>>>> SEACOM, TEAMS or others lights up.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Regards,<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Brian<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Maliti, Tom<tmaliti@ap.org> wrote:<br>
>>>>>> Dear Walu,<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> It is almost a week since SEACOM went live and there does not seem<br>
>>>>>> to<br>
>>>>>> be that much excitement or response despite the many discussions<br>
>>>>>> that<br>
>>>>>> have been dedicated to broadband on this list.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Your question at the end of your email is still valid. Or is it<br>
>>>>>> possible our varied service providers were not prepared,<br>
>>>>>> irrespective<br>
>>>>>> of what they say in public? It seems, however, one service provider<br>
>>>>>> was ready: Safaricom. Their service has been on fiber since Saturday<br>
>>>>>> and anyone who is on their data services has been enjoying the high<br>
>>>>>> speeds that have been talked about for years.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Does anyone know of any others?<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Tom Maliti<br>
>>>>>> Correspondent<br>
>>>>>> East Africa Bureau<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Direct line: +254 20 285 9109<br>
>>>>>> Office line: +254 20 285 9000<br>
>>>>>> +254 734 555 252<br>
>>>>>> Fax: +254 20 2724726<br>
>>>>>> Mobile +254 733 641 984<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> ________________________________<br>
>>>>>> From: kictanet-bounces+tmaliti=ap.org@lists.kictanet.or.ke<br>
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>>>>>> Behalf Of Walubengo J<br>
>>>>>> Sent: 23 July 2009 17:18<br>
>>>>>> To: Maliti, Tom<br>
>>>>>> Cc: skunk; ke-users; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<br>
>>>>>> Subject: [kictanet] Seacom goes live?<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> <a href="http://twitter.com/SeacomLive/">http://twitter.com/SeacomLive/</a><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Jst reading from Twitter that Seacom has gone live. Not sure if its<br>
>>>>>> only in .TZ though. Any impact in .KE? Ama we are still waiting<br>
>>>>>> for<br>
>>>>>> our very own TEAMS?<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Tunajivunia?<br>
>>>>>><br>
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