[kictanet] Seacom goes live- wait for TEAMS

Mon Aug 3 21:18:01 EAT 2009

Walu,

The Ownership table below looks fairly accurate in comparison to data
available online on Wikipedia (Follow url ::
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TEAMS_(cable_system) however Wikipedia may not
be an authority in terms of source of the information.

S.

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 5:48 PM, Catherine Adeya <elizaslider at yahoo.com>wrote:

> I agree that this information is publicly available and I can share what I
> found based on some research I am currently involved in. If I am wrong,
> kindly update as it will also help with our research. As you can see I have
> already deleted a few from TEAMS. Thanks Nyaki:
>
> TEAMS Shareholders
>
> Kenya government (20%)
>
> France Telecom (10%)
>
> Access Kenya (1.25 %)
>
> Safaricom (22.5%)
>
> Kenya Data Networks (10%)
>
> Inhand Equip Ltd (1.25 %)
>
> Econet Wireless Kenya ltd (10%)
>
> Wananchi Telecom (5%)
>
>
>
> Flashcom (1.25 %)
>
> Telkom Kenya (22.5 %)
>
>
>
> Jamii Telecom           (3.75%)
>
>
>
> Fibrent Africa of Uganda. (1.25 %)
>
>
>
>  Seacom shareholders
>
> Industrial Promotion Services– an arm of the Aga Khan Fund for Economic
> Development (25%)
>
> Convergence Partners (12.5%)
>
>
>
> Venfin Limited (25 %)
>
> Shanduka Group (12.5%).
>
> International Herakles Telecom with (25%)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> EASSy Shareholders
>
> Sudan: Sudatel
>
>
>
> Tanzania: Tanzania Telecommunications Company Limited
>
> Djibouti: Djibouti Telecom
>
> Madagascar: Telma
>
> Somalia: Dalkom
>
> Mozambique: Telecommunication de Mozambique
>
> Kenya: Telkom Kenya
>
> Pan-African telecom trade association: ATU
>
> South Africa: Telkom SA, Neotel, MTN Group
>
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> From:* Michael Joseph <MJoseph at Safaricom.co.ke>
> *To:* elizaslider at yahoo.com
> *Cc:* kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 1, 2009 8:00:48 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Seacom goes live- wait for TEAMS
>
> I think the allegations and language used on this list really discourage
> real informative comment.
>
> For information the shareholders of the Teams cable, who are most of the
> telecom operators in Kenya, will own and manage the cable and will sell
> their capacity both wholesale and retail as they see fit. The GOK owns 20%.
>
> The Seacom cable is owned by a separate set of shareholders and this info
> is publically available.
>
> The Eassy cable will be owned by another group of shareholders including a
> number of African telecom operators. This info is also publically available.
>
> Not one shareholder will want to price themselves out of the market and, as
> another commentator mentioned earlier, the first to market with competitive
> prices will gain the most.
>
> I broke my silence on this subject a few days ago and I regret it now as
> mostly the comments have been somewhat impolite, to put it mildly. I will
> refrain in future.
> Regards
>
> Michael Joseph
> CEO
> Safaricom Limited
>
> BlackBerryÂ® powered by Safaricom
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: kictanet-bounces+mjoseph=safaricom.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke<kictanet-bounces+mjoseph=
> safaricom.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> To: Michael Joseph
> Cc: kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Sent: Sat Aug 01 19:16:51 2009
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Seacom goes live- wait for TEAMS
>
> Competition?
>
> 3 cables does NOT = competition.
>
> As Waudo mentioned elsewhere in his posts, the big boys and girls sitting
> on TEAMs board are the same ones on SEACOM, EASSy and most likely anything
> else likely to land in Mombasa in the near future.
>
> Basically you are looking at a conducive\cartel environment for fixing
> prices - think of our oil industry. Yes you have competition in the name of
> Agip, Total, Caltex, etc but has that brought down prices for gas?
>
> Probably am being paranoid but I am waiting for the case study where public
> good won over private profits...maybe it will happen in another 4 months as
> the PS said.  And when it happens it should  should not be the misleading by
> 1-5% price drops.  Ideally for the TEAMs
> (tax-payers) cable you should be asking for the less than 100USD per MB
> prices that have been floated around over the recent years. And that should
> be per month rates NOT the punitive per byte of download rates.
>
> walu.
>
> --- On Sat, 8/1/09, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > From: Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Seacom goes live- wait for TEAMS
> > To: jwalu at yahoo.com
> > Cc: kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke
> > Date: Saturday, August 1, 2009, 12:54 PM
> > Competition!! Yes indeed is consumers
> > best friend.
> >
> > In fact, instead of staying out all night pinging, pinging,
> > and
> > pinging.. and nothing much changes...then burning ourselves
> > out
> > arguing on Seacom pricing, we should now strategise how to
> > fuel more
> > competition, confront next connectivity frontier-rural.
> >
> > Skunkworks are pleased to inform you that PS Ndemo will be
> > talking to
> > us about the one million laptops stimulus, technology
> > innovation and
> > entrepreneurship- On Tuesday next week (4th August).
> >
> > I intend to ask him "what would be the government's plans
> > regards
> > hooking Kenya up with http://www.o3bnetworks.com/?"
> >
> > See the attached image.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Alex
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 3:41 AM, Joseph Mucheru<mucheru at google.com>
> > wrote:
> > > Walu,
> > >
> > > I personally think it is a bit simpler than that. Over
> > the many years we
> > > have lobbied for better services and/or prices in the
> > country, the one sure
> > > thing that always worked was competition. In the case
> > of the cables, I think
> > > the competitive pressures are much more for the
> > operators as the investment
> > > (stakes) are much higher. By various calculations both
> > Seacom and Teams have
> > > more than three times the current bandwidth demand.
> > That means the wiser
> > > operators will not only be the ones that are first to
> > market, but those that
> > > give the right price to attract the economies of scale
> > they need to ever get
> > > back their investment. Any operator that delays this
> > process will only have
> > > much more future cost to convincing consumers to get
> > onto their network.
> > >
> > > I am convinced right now it is a consumers market and
> > what will be
> > > interesting is which operators are able to see things
> > from a long-term
> > > perspective and win the market. The fact that some
> > operators have a much
> > > broader and wider local loop infrastructure only makes
> > this more interesting
> > > and does not give outright victory to one.
> > >
> > > In summary, investment in the cables is a sunk cost
> > and the game now is who
> > > can get the user numbers on their network. Any
> > short-term gains by an
> > > operator through higer prices will cost them
> > significantly more in the
> > > long-run.
> > >
> > > my 2cts worth
> > >
> > > Joe Mucheru
> > >
> > > On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 1:14 AM, Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Waudo,
> > >>
> > >> Difference -at least on paper- is that TEAMS was
> > put up with Tax payers
> > >> money by close to 40% (i think). Â So you and me
> > have a 40% say or demand
> > >> that they sell the bandwidth commodity at cost.
> > Â But you and me (tax payers)
> > >> have 0% (zero%) shares in SEACOM.
> > >>
> > >> SEACOM was put up with 100% private money - only
> > the individual
> > >> shareholders can decide on pricing (remember the
> > famous SAT3 cable on the
> > >> west-african cost that had little impact on
> > pricing? the individual
> > >> shareholders decided to keep the prices just 1-5%
> > below satellite in order
> > >> to recoup investment with the shortest timeframes.
> > Â 15 years later, the
> > >> prcing was still the same at 1-5% satellite costs.
> > Â That is called Business-
> > >> increasing shareholders value and yes nobody
> > should apologies for that)
> > >>
> > >> In short, SEACOM can go the SAT3 way and you and
> > CCK can shout as much as
> > >> they want and they have every right not to care.
> > Â BUT with TEAMS you and i
>
> > >> do have a say - however small it is or it maybe.
> > >>
> > >> And its pretty grey area how say like Safcom with
> > shares on both cables
> > >> can be compelled to reduce prices because if push
> > comes to shove Safcom can
> > >> say their data is strictly running on the
> > (private) SEACOM cable which is
> > >> exempt from all the regulatory pressures. It can
> > chose to say TEAMS is
> > >> simply it back-up route.
> > >>
> > >> Thats why I think we are breaking new ground here
> > and its going to be very
> > >> interesting...
> > >>
> > >> walu.
> > >>
> >
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