[kictanet] Security is Next Week!
Eng. Thomas Senaji
tasenaji at gmail.com
Wed Apr 29 22:46:57 EAT 2009
Bw. Walubengo
I have brief comments:
*Access *
the undersea cable provies opportunity to access other international
submarine cables and will no doubt enhance real-time interactive
communication; the stallite delays cureently being experienced will be
overcome. Howver, this being the supply side, the demand side has to be
quickly stimulated and developed in tandem by way of deploying national
backhaul systems and broad band access to the end users; and creation of
awareness of the enormous potential of the undersea cable. Human capacity
not only to use the but also operate and manage the ICTs should remain
resonating theme.
*Affordability*
**
Will partly depend on the market forces and on the business models adopted
by the competing parties in the undersea deployment; however we can expect
reasonable pricing, at least significantly lower than the existing rates
*Content*
**
This needs to be viewed in context, it could be content residing offshore
or local content; my view is that the efforts already being exerted in
development of local content should be intensified for bothfor local
consumption and for export. In this regard, the undersea cable in itself is
not necessary and sugfficient in driving content; local entrepreneurs need
to be proactive in creatgion of the content
*Quality*
In my view there are two sides to this qulity of international links and
quality on/in the domestic links. In this regard, it would not be of
significant impact if the quality of national/domestic links or servies is
improved.
Thanks
Thomas Senaji
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:24 PM, John Walubengo <jwalu at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Harry and Evans:
>
> thanx for your insights...however, I urge u to hold your horses and refer
> to the program outline posted earlier but repeated below...u will note that
> there's a whole 4days to discuss security.
>
> All:
> Another point - plse reply against the pre-set subject line (it makes it
> easier two ways: (1) allows you to post against belated posts and (2) makes
> the work of the report writer less complex.
>
> regards.
>
> walu.
>
>
> +++rest of the 2week discussion program+++++++
>
> 1. General Background (1day-Walu)
> *IG Defn and Rational
> *National IG Forum :- 2008 Status Report
> 2. Infrastructure Issues (4Days- Walu)
> Undersea Fiber Cable and its impact on: (2d)
> *Access, Affordability, Content and Quality
> Management of Critical Internet Resources (2d)
> *IPv6 & Country code Top Level Domain (ccTLD) Management
> *National IXPs/NFOB
> 3. Cyber-Security and Trust (4Days-Mwende)
> e-Crimes against (2d)
> *Consumers/Users (Privacy Issues)
> *Data and Infrastructure (Data Security)
> Developing a national cyber-security strategies (2d)
> *What are the Legal Provisions (KCA Act 2008?)
> *Developing National Cyber-Security Strategies(CSIRT)/(CERT)
> 4. Socio-economic Issues (2Days - Walu)
> *ePayments (MPESA, ZAP, Digital Certificates)-(1d)
> *Regulating a Converged Environment-(1d)
> 5. Closure and Way Forward (1Day-Mwende)
> *Examine the desirability and continuation of the IG Forum
>
>
> --- On Wed, 4/29/09, Evans Kahuthu <ifani.kinos at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > From: Evans Kahuthu <ifani.kinos at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] kictanet Digest, Vol 23, Issue 43
> > To: jwalu at yahoo.com
> > Cc: helpdesk at inds.co.ke, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <
> kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > Date: Wednesday, April 29, 2009, 7:48 PM
> > Harry,
> > Further to your argument, let's not underestimate the
> > fac that the cost of
> > not securing our infrastructure and data far outweighs the
> > cost of
> > prevention.
> > Nevertheless, there are some effort underway to try and
> > bring ICT security
> > awareness.
> >
> > Please see http://secureict.co.ke
> >
> > Regards,
> > Evans
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 8:19 AM, Harry Delano
> > <harry at inds.co.ke> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Re: IG Discussions- Day 3 of 10: Infrastructure
> > > Issues-Submarine Cables - Cyber Security (Harry
> > Delano)
> > >
> > > Fellow discussants,
> > >
> > > One thing to also note with regard to the much
> > anticipated Fibre landing is
> > > how to content with the security challenges that will
> > accompany this 'Super
> > > Highway" So apart from the other topics, that
> > have been covered so
> > > well,allow
> > > me to introduce a new angle and momentarily tackle
> > 'The Security challenges
> > > posed by this noble venture' -Cyber Security.
> > >
> > > It is one thing to deal with a stream flowing through
> > your garden,
> > > harmlessly
> > > but productively watering it, and quite another
> > dealing with a 'flood gate'
> > > suddenly let loose on your land, and which you have
> > had little or no time
> > > to
> > > prepare yourself to handle.
> > >
> > > Indeed as much as this would be a Top Tier
> > connectivity, right now , truth
> > > be told - most of the service providers leave tackling
> > security to end
> > > users
> > >
> > > who in most cases are ill equipped to deal with
> > internetwork borne threats.
> > > Networks are badly exposed, including sensitive data,
> > copywright material,
> > > and
> > > organizational information that would make it a field
> > day for identity
> > > thieves,
> > > and who knows? - a possible cyber attack on our
> > different national wide
> > > infrastructure
> > > when they go online.
> > >
> > > Blended threats propagate much faster on faster
> > connections. Currently,a
> > > standard
> > > round trip time of about 800-1300 msec, for most Tier
> > 1 & 2 Service
> > > providers wears
> > > off the patience of most hackers presently prowling
> > the net, which is a
> > > good
> > > thing
> > > for us, but not for long as these Marine links lands
> > in within the next few
> > > months.
> > >
> > > With this in mind, how prepared are we on this
> > front..? And by that I mean,
> > > the
> > > Government, the Service providers, the Private stake
> > holders, including the
> > > Educational institutions.
> > >
> > > Have we made an assessment of our cyber security
> > levels, to date? Are our
> > > sensitive
> > > Data Centres secure..., or will they be overly exposed
> > when this time
> > > comes?
> > > And at
> > > what cost will we upgrade these systems..? With
> > increasing E-commerce
> > > activities,
> > > and other online transactions are we 'foolproof?
> > Are our cybersecurity
> > > regulations
> > > up to the task, to protect us...?
> > >
> > > Certainly, we need to take the necessary measures,- a
> > systematic approach
> > > and prepare
> > > ourselves to deal With these challenges as the Threat
> > environment is
> > > certainly set to
> > > shift for us, especially as a country on the move in
> > Communication
> > > Technology.
> > >
> > > The good news is, it is an undertaking to look forward
> > to with a lot of
> > > expectation,
> > > and we need to position ourselves to reap the maximum
> > benefits that will
> > > accrue thereof.
> > >
> > > If you would ask me the score for this - Our
> > Cybersecurity preparedness to
> > > handle, the
> > > onset of the Marine Fibre = 1
> > >
> > >
> > > Harry Delano.
> > > Integrated Networks and Data Systems.
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:
> > kictanet-bounces+harry=inds.co.ke at lists.kictanet.or.ke
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> > > Today's Topics:
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> > > 1. A wider audiance (robert yawe)
> > > 2. Re: IG Discussions- Day 3 of 10: Infrastructure
> > > Issues-Submarine Cables (John Walubengo)
> > >
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> > > Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 18:56:59 +0000 (GMT)
> > > From: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
> > > Subject: [kictanet] A wider audiance
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> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I have been been contributing articles to a new IT
> > magazine called CIO
> > > (chief information officer), as you may be aware there
> > currently isn't any
> > > good and regular ICT local magazine and this magazine
> > aims to fill this
> > > gap.
> > >
> > > The magazine is in its 3rd issue please get a copy and
> > read my articles as
> > > well as others which are well thought through and
> > cover local ICT issues.
> > >
> > > Due to space issues some of my articles have needed to
> > be shortened, if you
> > > need to read the entire unsensored version please send
> > me an email.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Robert Yawe
> > >
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> > >
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> > > Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 22:19:51 -0700 (PDT)
> > > From: John Walubengo <jwalu at yahoo.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [kictanet] IG Discussions- Day 3 of 10:
> > Infrastructure
> > > Issues-Submarine Cables
> > > To: Faima Basly <fbasly1 at gmail.com>
> > > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> > <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > > Message-ID:
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> > >
> > >
> > > Morning all,
> > >
> > > Actually, we had two days to discuss the impact on the
> > undersea cables on
> > > Access, Affordability, Content and Quality. So lets
> > hear more views...
> > >
> > > I know Yawe has written and published widely about
> > this but no harm
> > > summarising. Also, with regard to Quality, I wish to
> > retain my earlier
> > > submission that there are issues with the internal
> > networks run by our
> > > telcos. Numerous technical evidence exists on the
> > skunkwork list - the
> > > local
> > > techies lists - and they may wish to share in not so
> > technical terms...As
> > > for Affordability, the jury is still out there and we
> > shall indeed know who
> > > is fooling who over the next 12mths.
> > >
> > > Lets hear more views on this today and prepare to move
> > onto a new theme
> > > tomorrow on the Management of Critical Internet
> > Resources (IPv6, top level
> > > domain, National IXPs - dont be scared by the
> > technical jargon, will break
> > > it down for you)
> > >
> > > walu.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Faima Basly
> > <fbasly1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > From: Faima Basly <fbasly1 at gmail.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: [kictanet] IG Discussions- Day 2 of
> > 10: Infrastructure
> > > > Issues-Submarine Cables
> > > > To: jwalu at yahoo.com
> > > > Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions"
> > <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > > > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 12:21 PM Dear
> > Listers,
> > > >
> > > > Good morning. I am happy to hear that it is
> > raining in Kenya!
> > > >
> > > > Mine are observations that I have gathered from
> > one or two fora that I
> > > > think may be of interest.
> > > >
> > > > Access - If this is looked at purely from an
> > individual perspective
> > > > then it will be seen as low (Score 1) and clearly
> > not realize the
> > > > benefits of having an undersea cable at all.
> > There are already signs
> > > > of high demand for increased bandwidth if
> > complaints from consumers
> > > > today are anything to go by. This must then feed
> > the notion that with
> > > > the undersea cable will find ready users albeit
> > of the corporate and
> > > > SOHO ( Small office home office) variety. This
> > then in the
> > > > appropriately competitively structured market
> > will trickle down to
> > > > Apartment buildings and soon into Suburbs.
> > > >
> > > > Further more with clever government subsidies
> > targeting structured
> > > > learning institutions ( schools, universities,
> > libraries) habit will
> > > > be built and carried over and soon demand
> > hopefully will match supply.
> > > >
> > > > I think with the proliferation of lower cost high
> > end Mobile Phones
> > > > into Africa and the readily available Chinese
> > wannabe models, Access
> > > > will be readily facilitated . This may not speak
> > much for computer
> > > > literacy but that may be the price that we have
> > to pay.
> > > >
> > > > Affordability : This will be relative in my
> > opinion. It will be two
> > > > fold.
> > > > >From the perspective of the provider and from
> > that of
> > > > the user. I am
> > > > certain the providers have their numbers worked
> > out and it will now
> > > > just be a matter of waiting for the uptake from
> > the consumers end.
> > > > And the end of
> > > > it all is unless one is running a BPO or a Media
> > House it will be
> > > > rather interesting to see how business will
> > respond to better priced
> > > > internet bandwidth when their main stay is
> > emails? Even in the
> > > > developed world the internet is being curtailed
> > during working hours
> > > > as a result of the distraction that work causes
> > to staff who are busy
> > > > on face book and chat. In some extreme cases
> > because of availability
> > > > of internet on mobilephones some employers are
> > banking phones till tea
> > > > break and lunch time, as all communication can go
> > on on email and
> > > > landlines....So will majority of the existing
> > business ' jump on the
> > > > bandwagon' when the seacables land? the jury
> > is still out on this
> > > > one......
> > > >
> > > > Content , here I disagree with the score given
> > (1) this is because the
> > > > minute connectivity becomes available &
> > affordable then a lot of
> > > > sharing will begin and we will be pleasantly
> > suprised as to the gems
> > > > that may be unlocked. Of course Content will in
> > itself need to be
> > > > shepherded and managed, but I beleive I saw a
> > post that alluded to an
> > > > oncoming content discussion so will hold my
> > horses. I suspect that 'a
> > > > monkey see monkey do'
> > > > approach will come into play as has been the case
> > in the west where
> > > > content is concerned, once people see what it is
> > all about and what
> > > > covers the wide scope of content we may as well
> > lead Africa. After All
> > > > Kenya is a reference point for many in East,
> > Central and parts of
> > > > Southern Africa and with the enterpreneuring
> > spirit we are known for
> > > > it will only be a matter of time. I think the
> > score should be a 2.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ms Basly
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Sam Gatere
> > <sam.gatere at gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Walu
> > > > >
> > > > > Interesting ice breaker on the packet
> > exchange
> > > > -Internet- to keep the
> > > > > intellectual community going!
> > > > >
> > > > > my Initial reactions on Access low impact
> > seems to be
> > > > a fairly accurate
> > > > > since the glorified undersea cables are
> > actually top
> > > > tear and not landing in
> > > > > my house or office! I think this needs to be
> > > > demystified to the end user. In
> > > > > my view possible ways of getting access and
> > broadband
> > > > access to the end user
> > > > > would possibly be facilitated by triple play
> > providers
> > > > such as Zuku who are
> > > > > not only offering Internet and the only
> > product but
> > > > other infotainment
> > > > > products.
> > > > >
> > > > > On affordability specifically to the Kenyan
> > scenario I
> > > > think the PPP
> > > > > (Public Private Partnership) model would
> > ensure some
> > > > form of Public Good
> > > > > service that safeguards the end user. and
> > cushions
> > > > them from being exploited
> > > > > by infrastructure investors. I would like to
> > site the
> > > > SEACOM venture that
> > > > > has the government and other players such as
> > Safaricom
> > > > who are private
> > > > > investors. As you know Safaricom already
> > offers
> > > > "broadband" Internet
> > > > > services. If they benefit from high speed
> > Internet
> > > > through this SEACOM
> > > > > partnership the end user in this case may
> > actually
> > > > enjoy faster, more
> > > > > reliable Internet access.
> > > > >
> > > > > When we talk about content and local content
> > for that
> > > > matter... I think
> > > > > this one is just a sorry or sad state of
> > affairs. I
> > > > agree content should be
> > > > > independent of infrastructure. As for our
> > Local
> > > > Universities developing
> > > > > digital content we need a whole e-education
> > on the
> > > > benefits of digitising
> > > > > knowledge and finding new ways of learning
> > and
> > > > delivering the same....
> > > > >
> > > > > It will be Interesting to hear what others
> > have to
> > > > say.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Sam.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 8:20 AM, John
> > Walubengo
> > > > <jwalu at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Welcome to day 2. Hopefully it would be
> > more
> > > > interactive than
> > > > >> yesterday...I want to believe that the
> > paralysis
> > > > in our politics has not
> > > > >> infected and paralysed us. And just like
> > during
> > > > the cold war, scientists and
> > > > >> technocrats accross the divide continued
> > to
> > > > exchange internet packets
> > > > >> inspite of...
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Nway without too much digression, today
> > we want to
> > > > interrogate several
> > > > >> assumptions about the long awaited
> > submarine
> > > > cable(s) that are poised to hit
> > > > >> our coastal city of Mombasa. SEACOM,
> > TEAMs, EASsy
> > > > are all expected to be
> > > > >> operational starting July 09 (SEACOM),
> > TEAMS (Sep
> > > > 09) and EASsy (2010?)
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Here's my take/opinion on their
> > impact based
> > > > on a scale of Low(1),
> > > > >> Moderate(2) and High(3)
> > > > >>
> > > > >> i) Access:- Score=1, Low Impact on
> > Access The undersea cable is a
> > > > >> top-tier infrastructure
> > > > that has no impact at the
> > > > >> (User) Access level. User access level
> > is a
> > > > function of the maturity of the
> > > > >> domestic(local) infrastructure. Unless
> > this is
> > > > developed proportionately,
> > > > >> we shall have an an awkward situation
> > similar to a
> > > > country with top-notch
> > > > >> Universities (Submarine cable) but no
> > Primary and
> > > > Secondary Schools to
> > > > >> provide the students (no Access)...
> > > > >>
> > > > >> ii) Affordability: Score= 2,Moderate
> > Impact on
> > > > Internet Service Costs.
> > > > >> Yes, the prices are likely to go down
> > from the
> > > > current retail levels of
> > > > >> about 2500USD per 1MB to btwn
> > 500-1000USD per 1MB
> > > > of bandwidth. But I have
> > > > >> serious doubts if this prices will be
> > sustained at
> > > > these low levels because
> > > > >> the investors in these cables are not in
> > it for
> > > > fun - they have calculated
> > > > >> ROI targets that anticipate a huge
> > uptake of the
> > > > bandwidth. In the likely
> > > > >> event that this uptake failes to happen,
> > I see
> > > > prices beginning to go up by
> > > > >> the end of the 1st year of the cable
> > operation.
> > > > The investors in the cable
> > > > >> will then begin to milk the few
> > subscribers who
> > > > may have jumped onto the
> > > > >> highway in order to pay for the cost of
> > the
> > > > capital sunk into the cables.
> > > > >> Yes, maybe I just cant get over the
> > nasty SAT3
> > > > experience where the
> > > > >> submarine fiber cable landed in the West
> > African
> > > > region with little impact
> > > > >> on pricing.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> iii) Content: Score=1, Low Impact on
> > Content.
> > > > >> Incidentally, digital content should be
> > > > independent of infrastructure. I
> > > > >> mean, we do not need the submarine cable
> > for our
> > > > Lecturers at the
> > > > >> universities to have their notes in
> > digital form.
> > > > We do not need the
> > > > >> submarine cable to digitize government
> > records.
> > > > Content is intricately
> > > > >> related to eventual cost of Internet
> > Service and
> > > > ideally should be fully
> > > > >> developed before the submarine cable.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> iv) Quality. Score=2, Moderate Impact on
> > Internet
> > > > Quality.
> > > > >> "Broadband Quality of
> > Internet" is what
> > > > every service provider is
> > > > >> screaming about. But Broadband standard
> > in .KE is
> > > > way off the mark when
> > > > >> compared to India or Europe. I will
> > remain
> > > > sceptical until proven otherwise
> > > > >> but I forsee the undersea cable having
> > moderate
> > > > impact on quality because of
> > > > >> our poorly managed domestic User and
> > Telco
> > > > networks. Most Telco networks
> > > > >> that will act as gateways to the
> > submarine cable
> > > > are full of Viruses, Spam,
> > > > >> Proxies, and ill-configured Servers,
> > Routers and
> > > > Switches that introduce
> > > > >> congestion and bottlenecks rather
> > facilate
> > > > broadband access to the Submarine
> > > > >> cable.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> We have today to hear your views on
> > this...and the
> > > > floor is open.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> walu.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
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