[kictanet] Security is Next Week!

John Walubengo jwalu at yahoo.com
Wed Apr 29 19:24:24 EAT 2009 

Harry and Evans:

thanx for your insights...however, I urge u to hold your horses and refer to the program outline posted earlier but repeated below...u will note that there's a whole 4days to discuss security.

All:
Another point - plse reply against the pre-set subject line (it makes it easier two ways: (1) allows you to post against belated posts and (2) makes  the work of the report writer less complex.

regards.

walu. 


+++rest of the 2week discussion program+++++++

1. General Background (1day-Walu)
	*IG Defn and Rational
	*National IG Forum :- 2008 Status Report
2. Infrastructure Issues (4Days- Walu)
	Undersea Fiber Cable and its impact on: (2d)
		*Access, Affordability, Content and Quality
	Management of Critical Internet Resources (2d)
		*IPv6 & Country code Top Level Domain (ccTLD) Management
		*National IXPs/NFOB
3. Cyber-Security and Trust  (4Days-Mwende)
	e-Crimes against (2d)
		*Consumers/Users (Privacy Issues)
		*Data and Infrastructure (Data Security)
	Developing a national cyber-security strategies (2d)
		*What are the Legal Provisions (KCA Act 2008?)
		*Developing National Cyber-Security Strategies(CSIRT)/(CERT)
4. Socio-economic Issues (2Days - Walu)
		*ePayments (MPESA, ZAP, Digital Certificates)-(1d)
		*Regulating a Converged Environment-(1d)
5. Closure and Way Forward (1Day-Mwende)
		*Examine the desirability and continuation of the IG Forum


--- On Wed, 4/29/09, Evans Kahuthu <ifani.kinos at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Evans Kahuthu <ifani.kinos at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] kictanet Digest, Vol 23, Issue 43
> To: jwalu at yahoo.com
> Cc: helpdesk at inds.co.ke, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Date: Wednesday, April 29, 2009, 7:48 PM
> Harry,
> Further to your argument, let's not underestimate the
> fac that the cost of
> not securing our infrastructure and data far outweighs the
> cost of
> prevention.
> Nevertheless, there are some effort underway to try and
> bring ICT security
> awareness.
> 
> Please see http://secureict.co.ke
> 
> Regards,
> Evans
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 8:19 AM, Harry Delano
> <harry at inds.co.ke> wrote:
> 
> >
> >  Re: IG Discussions- Day 3 of 10: Infrastructure
> >      Issues-Submarine Cables  - Cyber Security (Harry
> Delano)
> >
> > Fellow discussants,
> >
> > One thing to also note with regard to the much
> anticipated Fibre landing is
> > how to content with the security challenges that will
> accompany this 'Super
> > Highway" So apart from the other topics, that
> have been covered so
> > well,allow
> > me to introduce a new angle and momentarily tackle
> 'The Security challenges
> > posed by this noble venture' -Cyber Security.
> >
> > It is one thing to deal with a stream flowing through
> your garden,
> > harmlessly
> > but productively watering it, and quite another
> dealing with a 'flood gate'
> > suddenly let loose on your land, and which you have
> had little or no time
> > to
> > prepare yourself to handle.
> >
> > Indeed as much as this would be a Top Tier
> connectivity, right now , truth
> > be told - most of the service providers leave tackling
> security to end
> > users
> >
> > who in most cases are ill equipped to deal with
> internetwork borne threats.
> > Networks are badly exposed, including sensitive data,
> copywright material,
> > and
> > organizational information that would make it a field
> day for identity
> > thieves,
> > and who knows? - a possible cyber attack on our
> different national wide
> > infrastructure
> > when they go online.
> >
> > Blended threats propagate much faster on faster
> connections. Currently,a
> > standard
> > round trip time of about 800-1300 msec, for most Tier
> 1 & 2 Service
> > providers wears
> > off the patience of most hackers presently prowling
> the net, which is a
> > good
> > thing
> > for us, but not for long as these Marine links lands
> in within the next few
> > months.
> >
> > With this in mind, how prepared are we on this
> front..? And by that I mean,
> > the
> > Government, the Service providers, the Private stake
> holders, including the
> > Educational institutions.
> >
> > Have we made an assessment of our cyber security
> levels, to date? Are our
> > sensitive
> > Data Centres secure..., or will they be overly exposed
> when this time
> > comes?
> > And at
> > what cost will we upgrade these systems..? With
> increasing E-commerce
> > activities,
> > and other online transactions are we 'foolproof?
> Are our cybersecurity
> > regulations
> > up to the task, to protect us...?
> >
> > Certainly, we need to take the necessary measures,- a
> systematic approach
> > and prepare
> > ourselves to deal With these challenges as the Threat
> environment is
> > certainly set to
> > shift for us, especially as a country on the move in
> Communication
> > Technology.
> >
> > The good news is, it is an undertaking to look forward
> to with a lot of
> > expectation,
> > and we need to position ourselves to reap the maximum
> benefits that will
> > accrue thereof.
> >
> > If you would ask me the score for this - Our
> Cybersecurity preparedness to
> > handle, the
> > onset of the Marine Fibre = 1
> >
> >
> > Harry Delano.
> > Integrated Networks and Data Systems.
> >
> >
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> >      Issues-Submarine Cables (John Walubengo)
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> > Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 18:56:59 +0000 (GMT)
> > From: robert yawe <robertyawe at yahoo.co.uk>
> > Subject: [kictanet] A wider audiance
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> > Hi,
> >
> > I have been been contributing articles to a new IT
> magazine called CIO
> > (chief information officer), as you may be aware there
> currently isn't any
> > good and regular ICT local magazine and this magazine
> aims to fill this
> > gap.
> >
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> me an email.
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> > Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 22:19:51 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: John Walubengo <jwalu at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] IG Discussions- Day 3 of 10:
> Infrastructure
> >        Issues-Submarine Cables
> > To: Faima Basly <fbasly1 at gmail.com>
> > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
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> >
> > Morning all,
> >
> > Actually, we had two days to discuss the impact on the
> undersea cables on
> > Access, Affordability, Content and Quality.  So lets
> hear more views...
> >
> > I know Yawe has written and published widely about
> this but no harm
> > summarising.  Also, with regard to Quality, I wish to
> retain my earlier
> > submission that there are issues with the internal
> networks run by our
> > telcos. Numerous technical evidence exists on the
> skunkwork list - the
> > local
> > techies lists - and they may wish to share in not so
> technical terms...As
> > for Affordability, the jury is still out there and we
> shall indeed know who
> > is fooling who over the next 12mths.
> >
> > Lets hear more views on this today and prepare to move
> onto a new theme
> > tomorrow on the Management of Critical Internet
> Resources (IPv6, top level
> > domain, National IXPs - dont be scared by the
> technical jargon, will break
> > it down for you)
> >
> > walu.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Faima Basly
> <fbasly1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > From: Faima Basly <fbasly1 at gmail.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [kictanet] IG Discussions- Day 2 of
> 10: Infrastructure
> > > Issues-Submarine Cables
> > > To: jwalu at yahoo.com
> > > Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions"
> <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 12:21 PM Dear
> Listers,
> > >
> > > Good morning. I am happy to hear that it is
> raining in Kenya!
> > >
> > > Mine are observations that I have gathered from
> one or two fora that I
> > > think may be of interest.
> > >
> > > Access - If this is looked at purely from an
> individual perspective
> > > then it will be seen as low (Score 1) and clearly
> not realize the
> > > benefits of having an undersea cable at all.
> There are already signs
> > > of high demand for increased bandwidth if
> complaints from consumers
> > > today are anything to go by. This must then feed
> the notion that with
> > > the undersea cable will find ready users albeit
> of the corporate and
> > > SOHO ( Small office home office) variety. This
> then in the
> > > appropriately competitively structured market
> will trickle down to
> > > Apartment buildings and soon into Suburbs.
> > >
> > > Further more with clever government subsidies
> targeting structured
> > > learning institutions ( schools, universities,
> libraries) habit will
> > > be built and carried over and soon demand
> hopefully will match supply.
> > >
> > > I think with the proliferation of lower cost high
> end Mobile Phones
> > > into Africa and the readily available Chinese
> wannabe models, Access
> > > will be readily facilitated . This may not speak
> much for computer
> > > literacy but that may be the price that we have
> to pay.
> > >
> > > Affordability : This will be relative in my
> opinion. It will be two
> > > fold.
> > > >From the perspective of the provider and from
> that of
> > > the user.  I am
> > > certain the providers have their numbers worked
> out and it will now
> > > just be a matter of waiting for the uptake from
> the consumers end.
> > > And the end of
> > > it all is unless one is running a BPO or a Media
> House it will be
> > > rather interesting to see how business will
> respond to better priced
> > > internet bandwidth when their main stay is
> emails? Even in the
> > > developed world the internet is being curtailed
> during working hours
> > > as a result of the distraction that work causes
> to staff who are busy
> > > on face book and chat. In some extreme cases
> because of availability
> > > of internet on mobilephones some employers are
> banking phones till tea
> > > break and lunch time, as all communication can go
> on on email and
> > > landlines....So will majority of the existing
> business ' jump on the
> > > bandwagon' when the seacables land? the jury
> is still out on this
> > > one......
> > >
> > > Content , here I disagree with the score given
> (1) this is because the
> > > minute connectivity becomes available  &
> affordable then a lot of
> > > sharing will begin and we will be pleasantly
> suprised as to the gems
> > > that may be unlocked. Of course Content will in
> itself need to be
> > > shepherded and managed, but I beleive I saw a
> post that alluded to an
> > > oncoming content discussion so will hold my
> horses. I suspect that 'a
> > > monkey see monkey do'
> > > approach will come into play as has been the case
> in the west where
> > > content is concerned, once people see what it is
> all about and what
> > > covers the wide scope of content we may as well
> lead Africa. After All
> > > Kenya is a reference point for many in East,
> Central and parts of
> > > Southern Africa and with the enterpreneuring
> spirit we are known for
> > > it will only be a matter of time. I think the
> score should be a 2.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ms Basly
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Sam Gatere
> <sam.gatere at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Walu
> > > >
> > > > Interesting ice breaker on the packet
> exchange
> > > -Internet- to keep the
> > > > intellectual   community going!
> > > >
> > > > my Initial reactions on Access low impact
> seems to be
> > > a fairly accurate
> > > > since the glorified undersea cables are
> actually top
> > > tear and not landing in
> > > > my house or office! I think this needs to be
> > > demystified to the end user. In
> > > > my view possible ways of getting access and
> broadband
> > > access to the end user
> > > > would possibly be facilitated by triple play
> providers
> > > such as Zuku who are
> > > > not only offering Internet and the only
> product  but
> > > other infotainment
> > > > products.
> > > >
> > > > On affordability specifically to the Kenyan
> scenario I
> > > think the PPP
> > > > (Public Private Partnership) model would
> ensure some
> > > form of Public Good
> > > > service that safeguards the end user. and
> cushions
> > > them from being exploited
> > > > by infrastructure investors. I would like to
> site the
> > > SEACOM venture that
> > > > has the government and other players such as
> Safaricom
> > > who are private
> > > > investors. As you know Safaricom already
> offers
> > > "broadband" Internet
> > > > services. If they benefit from high speed
> Internet
> > > through this SEACOM
> > > > partnership the end user in this case may
> actually
> > > enjoy faster, more
> > > > reliable Internet access.
> > > >
> > > > When we talk about content and local content
> for that
> > > matter...  I think
> > > > this one is just a sorry or sad state of
> affairs. I
> > > agree content should be
> > > > independent of infrastructure. As for our
> Local
> > > Universities developing
> > > > digital content we need a whole e-education
> on the
> > > benefits of digitising
> > > > knowledge and finding new ways of learning
> and
> > > delivering the same....
> > > >
> > > > It will be Interesting to hear what others
> have to
> > > say.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Sam.
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 8:20 AM, John
> Walubengo
> > > <jwalu at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >> Welcome to day 2. Hopefully it would be
> more
> > > interactive than
> > > >> yesterday...I want to believe that the
> paralysis
> > > in our politics has not
> > > >> infected and paralysed us. And just like
> during
> > > the cold war, scientists and
> > > >> technocrats accross the divide continued
> to
> > > exchange internet packets
> > > >> inspite of...
> > > >>
> > > >> Nway without too much digression, today
> we want to
> > > interrogate several
> > > >> assumptions about the long awaited
> submarine
> > > cable(s) that are poised to hit
> > > >> our coastal city of Mombasa.  SEACOM,
> TEAMs, EASsy
> > > are all expected to be
> > > >> operational starting July 09 (SEACOM),
> TEAMS (Sep
> > > 09) and EASsy (2010?)
> > > >>
> > > >> Here's my take/opinion on their
> impact based
> > > on a scale of Low(1),
> > > >> Moderate(2) and High(3)
> > > >>
> > > >> i) Access:- Score=1, Low Impact on
> Access The undersea cable is a
> > > >> top-tier infrastructure
> > > that has no impact at the
> > > >> (User) Access level.  User access level
> is a
> > > function of the maturity of the
> > > >> domestic(local) infrastructure.  Unless
> this is
> > > developed proportionately,
> > > >> we shall have an an awkward situation
> similar to a
> > > country with top-notch
> > > >> Universities (Submarine cable) but no
> Primary and
> > > Secondary Schools to
> > > >> provide the students (no Access)...
> > > >>
> > > >> ii) Affordability: Score= 2,Moderate
> Impact on
> > > Internet Service Costs.
> > > >> Yes, the prices are likely to go down
> from the
> > > current retail levels of
> > > >> about 2500USD per 1MB to btwn
> 500-1000USD per 1MB
> > > of bandwidth.  But I have
> > > >> serious doubts if this prices will be
> sustained at
> > > these low levels because
> > > >> the investors in these cables are not in
> it for
> > > fun - they have calculated
> > > >> ROI targets that anticipate a huge
> uptake of the
> > > bandwidth.  In the likely
> > > >> event that this uptake failes to happen,
> I see
> > > prices beginning to go up by
> > > >> the end of the 1st year of the cable
> operation.
> > > The investors in the cable
> > > >> will then begin to milk the few
> subscribers who
> > > may have jumped onto the
> > > >> highway in order to pay for the cost of
> the
> > > capital sunk into the cables.
> > > >>  Yes, maybe I just cant get over the
> nasty SAT3
> > > experience where the
> > > >> submarine fiber cable landed in the West
> African
> > > region with little impact
> > > >> on pricing.
> > > >>
> > > >> iii) Content: Score=1, Low Impact on
> Content.
> > > >> Incidentally, digital content should be
> > > independent of infrastructure.  I
> > > >> mean, we do not need the submarine cable
> for our
> > > Lecturers at the
> > > >> universities to have their notes in
> digital form.
> > > We do not need the
> > > >> submarine cable to digitize government
> records.
> > > Content is intricately
> > > >> related to eventual cost of Internet
> Service and
> > > ideally should be fully
> > > >> developed before the submarine cable.
> > > >>
> > > >> iv) Quality. Score=2, Moderate Impact on
> Internet
> > > Quality.
> > > >> "Broadband Quality of
> Internet" is what
> > > every service provider is
> > > >> screaming about. But Broadband standard
> in .KE is
> > > way off the mark when
> > > >> compared to India or Europe. I will
> remain
> > > sceptical until proven otherwise
> > > >> but I forsee the undersea cable having
> moderate
> > > impact on quality because of
> > > >> our poorly managed domestic User and 
> Telco
> > > networks. Most Telco networks
> > > >> that will act as gateways to the
> submarine cable
> > > are full of Viruses, Spam,
> > > >> Proxies, and ill-configured Servers,
> Routers and
> > > Switches that introduce
> > > >> congestion and bottlenecks rather
> facilate
> > > broadband access to the Submarine
> > > >> cable.
> > > >>
> > > >> We have today to hear your views on
> this...and the
> > > floor is open.
> > > >>
> > > >> walu.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
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