[kictanet] "Draft" ICT Practioners Act
waudo siganga
emailsignet at mailcan.com
Sat Sep 13 10:31:47 EAT 2008
Hi Walu,
First I think that when you are talking about KASNEB you should issue a
caveat regarding your conflict of interest. You are making some coins
marking their exams and it is natural you would wish to protect that.
Another question, can the accountants agree for ICT Professionals to
start offering accounting professional exams? I think there would be a
riot. If I follow your duplication argument then we should do away with
the Kenya School of Law and throw that to KASNEB as well.
As for killing innovation, maybe you can give me some examples of
innovation that has been killed by the existence of LSK, Medical and
Engineering bodies.
In general, I am completely perplexed why you appear so keen to shoot
down the ICT Professionalism efforts????
Waudo
At IFIP Meeting in Milan,
Discussing ICT Professionalism (visit http://www.ipthree.org/)
On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 00:13:09 -0700 (PDT), "John Walubengo"
<jwalu at yahoo.com> said:
> Dr. Waudo, quite some thinking put in this document I must admit. But
> just a few questions if I may.
>
> 1. It looks like if I am not registered with the said ICT practitioners
> Institute, then i cannot provide ICT services. More like the LSKs,
> Medical and Engineers bodies. Would this kill or stimulate ICT
> innovation?
>
> 2. There's a whole section creating an ICT Examination Board, along the
> lines of KASNEB. Isnt this replicating national resources? Why not
> leverage or outsource that role to KASNEB (forget it's otherwise
> Accounting origin and focus on its established, rigorous and proven
> Examination track record.)
>
> walu.
>
> --- On Fri, 9/12/08, kamotho Njenga <kamothonjenga at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > From: kamotho Njenga <kamothonjenga at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] "Draft" ICT Practioners Act
> > To: jwalu at yahoo.com
> > Cc: amosoba at ict.go.ke, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 9:02 PM
> > Quite remarkable efforts, Waudo. The work sets up an
> > appropriate pedestal
> > for further contributions that will enable academicians,
> > regulators,
> > managers, employers et.al, to better appreciate the ICT
> > professional
> > paradigms.
> >
> > The draft forms a critical first step towards our dream of
> > defining the ICT
> > profession in Kenya. It's a sacred endeavor which
> > should be entirely
> > isolated from all traces of the emerging Kenyan version of
> > "ICT politics"
> > (Exclusion and sabotage of perceived critics).
> >
> > If we collaboratively manage to generate an amicable
> > framework that will
> > yield a streamlined and mainstreamed professional sector,
> > we will have made
> > a solid foundation for the future growth of our ICT
> > industry.
> >
> > May the ICT Practitioners Management Act live to see the
> > light of day!
> >
> > Kamotho Njenga
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 9:57 PM, waudo siganga
> > <emailsignet at mailcan.com>wrote:
> >
> > > I am just wondering how much "Work" it would
> > take to formulate a
> > > legislative instrument to regualte ICT qualifications
> > and profession. I
> > > notice most of the other instruments appear similar
> > except for a few
> > > changes here and there. I have taken one and put a few
> > changes to create
> > > an "ICT Practioners Management Act" -
> > >
> > www.cskonline.org/downloads/Proposed_ICT_Practioners_Act.pdf
> > >
> > > Waudo
> > >
> > > On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 00:56:20 -0700 (PDT), "John
> > Walubengo"
> > > <jwalu at yahoo.com> said:
> > > > Waudo,
> > > >
> > > > I beg to differ (disclosure: probably because I
> > sit on the KASNEB ICT
> > > > Syllabus Board) on two accounts.
> > > >
> > > > 1. That the KASNEB ICT syllabus is for
> > Accountants and
> > > > 2. That KICT Board should have nothing to do with
> > KASNEB.
> > > >
> > > > Count 1: Syllabi for Accountants?
> > > > The KASNEB ICT syllabus is aimed to create
> > mid-level, technical personnel
> > > > in the ICT sector. Any doubting expert can visit
> > > > http://www.kasneb.or.ke/cict.htm to see the
> > course outline which
> > > > incidentally you (Waudo and I) contributed to in
> > 2005. In addition, this
> > > > syallabus is already under review by another Task
> > force to make it more
> > > > relevant (tell me which university/college here
> > in Kenya reviews their
> > > > syllabus in such turn-around record times?)
> > > >
> > > > Count 2: ICT board has/should have nothing to do
> > with KASNEB?
> > > > I think ICT board has an interest in the ICT
> > technical capacity in this
> > > > country. It would be futile to market Kenya as
> > an ICT destination, when
> > > > one knows the gaps or inadequacy we have
> > particularly at the levels that
> > > > our Polytechnics (now all rushing to be
> > universities) used to address.
> > > >
> > > > Finally, KASNEB has an Accounting background but
> > is moving into providing
> > > > their Examination Expertise into other areas
> > (ICT, Actural Science, etc)
> > > > and you are right:-They have a legal mandate and
> > parliamentary basis for
> > > > this. Something the Computer Soceity of Kenya,
> > ITSA and other ICT
> > > > professional bodies have sought to no avail.
> > > >
> > > > Probably Waudo, could your worry be that KASNEB
> > maybe introducing
> > > > 'unnecessary' competition in that space?
> > > >
> > > > walu.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- On Fri, 9/5/08, waudo siganga
> > <emailsignet at mailcan.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > From: waudo siganga
> > <emailsignet at mailcan.com>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Review, identify
> > gaps and enhance the quality
> > > of the Certificate of ICT (CICT) qualification
> > > > > To: jwalu at yahoo.com
> > > > > Cc: amosoba at ict.go.ke, "KICTAnet ICT
> > Policy Discussions" <
> > > kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > > > > Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 6:53 PM
> > > > > Why is partnering with KASNEB a
> > "Strategic
> > > > > Objective' of the ICT
> > > > > Board? Does it mean that the Board sees the
> > running of ICT
> > > > > examinations and, presumably,
> > professionalism as a
> > > > > responsibility
> > > > > of accountants? To me the strategic
> > objective should be to
> > > > > ensure
> > > > > ICT education and professionalism are
> > established under
> > > > > statutory
> > > > > recognition in their own right. The only
> > advantage
> > > > > accountants
> > > > > have is the statutory recognition and if we
> > plan properly
> > > > > we will
> > > > > reach there. I do not want to derail this
> > new partnership
> > > > > but I
> > > > > hope it is short term.
> > > > >
> > > > > BTW KASNEB does not have the technical
> > capacity to make any
> > > > > ICT
> > > > > Syllabus. They had to call in a team of ICT
> > experts,
> > > > > including
> > > > > me, to write the CICT syllabus for them. The
> > syllabus we
> > > > > made out
> > > > > is geared for accountants.
> > > > >
> > > > > Kind Regards,
> > > > > Waudo
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 15:47:20 +0300, "Al
> > Kags"
> > > > > <alkags at alkags.com> said:
> > > > >
> > > > > The Kenya ICT Board and KASNEB have formed
> > a partnership
> > > > > to
> > > > > review, identify gaps and enhance the
> > quality of the
> > > > > Certificate of ICT (CICT) qualification
> > that is managed
> > > > > by
> > > > > KASNEB and offered by various ICT
> > institutions in Kenya.
> > > > > This
> > > > > collaboration will cover, among other
> > areas:-
> > > > > * Working together towards enhancing
> > quality ICT skills
> > > > > in the
> > > > > country
> > > > > * Marketing CICT to get industry buy in
> > and endorsement
> > > > > at the
> > > > > same level as CPA.
> > > > > * Collaborate in conducting a baseline
> > study/survey to
> > > > > determine the deficiency of ICT skills
> > and type of
> > > > > skills
> > > > > required.
> > > > > * Collaborate to lobby for appropriate
> > legal provisions
> > > > > for the
> > > > > establishment of an Institute for the
> > CICT graduates,
> > > > > recognizing KASNEB as the examining and
> > the
> > > > > certification
> > > > > body for ICT graduates.
> > > > > * Work to gain industry acceptance of CICT
> > certification
> > > > > on
> > > > > same quality rating as CPA.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Kenya ICT Board wishes to convene an
> > ICT Public Panel
> > > > > to
> > > > > develop industry and stake holder input
> > into the review.
> > > > > We
> > > > > invite the participation of key sector
> > players in the
> > > > > industry
> > > > > on a voluntary basis, as represented
> > below:-
> > > > > * Industry players (IT products and
> > services
> > > > > suppliers/manufactures including
> > Developer Community,
> > > > > Skunkworks etc) - 5 representatives
> > > > > * Business Process Outsourcing and Call
> > Centres - 2
> > > > > representatives
> > > > > * Colleges representatives - 3
> > representatives
> > > > > * University representatives - 3
> > representatives
> > > > > * Student representatives – 5
> > > > > * Related government ministry's
> > representatives - 3
> > > > > * Multinational Corporations - 2
> > > > >
> > > > > TORs of the Panel.
> > > > > To review the state of ICT skills in Kenya
> > with a view to
> > > > > identifying gaps and therefore make
> > recommendations for
> > > > > addressing those gaps as seen in a global
> > context. The
> > > > > Public
> > > > > Panel deliberations will be made out of a
> > maximum of
> > > > > three
> > > > > meetings at the Kenya ICT Board Offices on
> > Waiyaki way
> > > > > specifically on: -
> > > > > * Tuesday, September 9, 2008 at 10 am
> > > > > * Tuesday, September 16, 2008 at 10
> > am
> > > > > * Tuesday, September 23, 2008 at 10
> > am
> > > > >
> > > > > The recommendations will be presented to
> > KASNEB for the
> > > > > review
> > > > > of the Certification Curriculum, on
> > September 26, 2008 at
> > > > > a
> > > > > venue to be communicated closer to the
> > date.
> > > > > This initiative is guided by the Kenya ICT
> > Board's
> > > > > Strategic
> > > > > Objectives, mainly:
> > > > > * To develop and promote competitive ICT
> > Institutions in
> > > > > Kenya
> > > > > * To develop and promote competitive ICT
> > industries in
> > > > > Kenya
> > > > >
> > > > > TO PARTICIPATE
> > > > > To participate, kindly contact the Public
> > Panels team on
> > > > > [1]publicpanels at ict.go.ke . Please attach
> > a brief profile
> > > > > of
> > > > > yourself and the sector that you
> > represent. The Board
> > > > > will
> > > > > then formally invite you to participate in
> > the Panel.
> > > > > While
> > > > > the formal invitations will be issued
> > entirely at the
> > > > > discretion of the board, the broad
> > criteria for
> > > > > participation
> > > > > is as follows:-
> > > > > * Demonstrated experience and knowledge in
> > the sub-sector
> > > > > * Expressed willingness to serve pro bono
> > > > > * Demonstrated general understanding of
> > the educational
> > > > > offering in the sector.
> > > > >
> > > > > We also welcome via email to
> > [2]publicpanels at ict.go.ke
> > > > > written
> > > > > submission on this topic, representations
> > and opinions
> > > > > from
> > > > > the sector towards this important exercise
> > and they will
> > > > > also
> > > > > be collated with the report.
> > > > >
> > > > > References
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. mailto:publicpanels at ict.go.ke
> > > > > 2. mailto:publicpanels at ict.go.ke
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