[kictanet] PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested Interests

Thu Oct 16 05:13:46 EAT 2008

Dear all,

What is the desired outcome of this very energised thread? (Select one)

A: That the PS (I&C) announce that policies shall be developed in an
open, transparent and consultative manner. He also must organise a
forum to kickstart non-emotive talks by mid-November.

B: That PS Ndemo resigns and is replaced with a person of your choice.

C: That the Econet licence, Kencall licence and related MoUs,
contracts signed by PS (I&C) be cancelled.

D: That all stakeholders Govt., KICTANET, KIF, CA, etc organise an
"ICT Investment" policy forum to be held in Nairobi around mid-
November 2008.

I hope this shall help us focus on defining and achieving a common
goal so that we desist from personal attacks on integrity, racial
profiling and so on...

Good day,
Wainaina

On 10/16/08, Joseph Manthi <jmanthi at gmail.com> wrote:
> Edith,There are some useful lessons - but these lessons do not include:
>
> 1. How to give away your national treasures - like bandwidth - to foreign
> entities just because they say they can not do any business with local
> entrepreneurs. In fact I know this for a fact, you would never get a license
> to operate in UAE if this was your argument. Further to this lesson I would
> like to point to these additional countries that would laugh you out of town
> if you made that argument - US (some businesses like Airline, Military and
> Defense, Telecommunications (not ISP), Radio & TV), India, Singapore,
> Malaysia, Taiwan, Hong Kong, China, the whole of Middle East, South Africa,
> Japan (especially Japan)
>
> 2. How not be conned. Kenya seems to heading there with its eyes opened.
> When a man approaches a woman, it would be a very stupid woman, who knowing
> what a man is capable of, to accept the BS that the man is feeding her. And
> if she does then she deserves what she gets. Kenya will get what it deserves
> and very soon. A good example is Russia and its oligarchs - all members of
> the Forbes Richest.
>
> 3. Great leadership is necessary to grow a country. A leadership with
> intestinal fortitude to say no under pressure. Top to bottom,
>
> 4. That the local mwananchi can invest in their own country and manage its
> growth
>
> 5. That a great nation looks upon its diaspora to grow it - a la Israel and
> India
>
> 6. That a great nation does not wait to be raped twice - We seem to be
> following a process that will guarantee our raping despite how Kenyan some
> members of this committee think they are. Its just a matter of time before
> they pick up their bags and leave. I really do not think that as a national
> planner I should be putting my eggs in that basket.
>
> Joe
>
> On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 4:55 PM, <eadera at idrc.or.ke> wrote:
>
>> Anyone has taken the time to thoroughly study the secret behind
>> Dubai's tremendous growth? (U.A.E in general). There are some useful
>> lessons!
>>
>>
>> >
>> >---- Original Message ----
>> >From: j.maina at ymail.com
>> >To: eadera at idrc.or.ke
>> >Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fwd:  PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested
>> >Interests
>> >Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 09:03:50 -0700 (PDT)
>> >
>> >>Lizette
>> >>
>> >>I think that you have racially inclined your mind.
>> >>
>> >>When did KENCALL directors become Kenyans? After getting good
>> >friends to bribe their way to this country. And let me tell you that
>> >the money the so called investors are using are Kenyan money not
>> >money from foreign banks.
>> >>
>> >>They have come and borrowed from Kenyan banks. How much does the
>> >most profitable telecomms companies leave in this country, very small
>> >amount. We have Telecomms companies which are on their marks. They
>> >have very inferior systems and dont actually deliver in service but
>> >make billions and run away with the billions.
>> >>
>> >>Dada Lizette, we know that there are Kenyans who are white, black
>> >coloured and all but know that I am a mixed race Kenyan and really
>> >sad when our brotehrs have to suffer because of bad policies from
>> >people like PS
>> >>
>> >>JM
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>----- Original Message ----
>> >>From: Lizette Kraft <lfkraft at gmail.com>
>> >>To: j.maina at ymail.com
>> >>Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet at lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>> >>Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 1:52:07 PM
>> >>Subject: [kictanet] Fwd:  PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested
>> >Interests
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Just my two pennies worth here.
>> >>
>> >>Kenya is not an Island that it can survive on its own even through
>> >local investment. Most times we dont have the funds. I do agree
>> >though about the Government and banks not supporting local investors
>> >with loans etc. They must start giving them the opportunity to setup
>> >local expertise and turn them in money making ventures, if only they
>> >wouldn't fleece their own companies.  Even America, the giant needs
>> >investors!!! You all have a valid point but use it for the best
>> >interests of Kenya and its people first and foremost. Not just self
>> >interest for the few.  And by the way Kenyans come in all shapes,
>> >sizes, COLOURS, and creed. So please don't generalise who is kenyan
>> >and who is not!!!  Kencall directors and owners are Kenyan and not
>> >outsiders if I understand correctly. When we are taxed whether
>> >individually or coorporately, the money is used for Kenya and Kenyans
>> >and not for outsiders who invested!  Forcing local partnership in
>> >foreign owned companies has
>> >> its negative and positive effects.
>> >>This needs to be look at more seriously to make it a win-win
>> >situation. It has been known in the past that foreign investors with
>> >forced local partnership have been subjected to threats and
>> >intimidation by the local partners when they wanted more than their
>> >fare share, (given to them mind you). Thus the weariness o
>> >>of being forced now. This does not attract any investor. But the
>> >foreigners should not fleece the country either!
>> >>
>> >>Let us have some constructive critisism without being racially
>> >inclined. Fight to make things right no matter what but without
>> >pinpointing nationalities or colours of people.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>On 10/7/08, John Maina <j.maina at ymail.com> wrote:
>> >>http://www.wananchiforums.com/showthread.php?p=3150#poest3150
>> >>
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>> >>Nairobi, Kenya
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